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This might be a simple one, but I wanted to run it by you

Good sized freezeout, 5000 starting chips, 45 minute clock

It's the second level, blinds 50-100

You have 5500

3rd Position raises to 300, he has 5500 too

You are on the button with  Ad Kh

You call the raise

Flop  Ts 9s Kd

Raiser bets 600

You raise to 1500

Initial raiser immediately goes all in

You have never played the player before. He has played few hands

Comments on play pre flop, post flop and what to do now please


Warning: I do not know what the other guy had

In my view you gotta pass, I take him for mid or bottom set. Binds are still low so action will come when you are in command.

As you do not know what he had, I'm assuming that you passed.

I think that I would have done the same as it "feels" like AA.

It's one of those where you just have to trust your instincts IMO.

Pass. Depends on the buy in etc but everything says pass to me.

I passed yes

It gnawed away at me though. Is this a standard pass?

I know some players can make his all in play on say As  8s for example, but without knowledge of the opponent I felt I had to release

sounds like aces , but I wouldn't have gone all in at that point, so if he had aces it was bad play on him
 

ditto - think he had AA, KK, TT or 99... lots of draws out there to make him go all in like that... i woulda folded for sure

Well he hasn't raised in positon 3 to 6bb with QJ so we can discount that. Therefore let's think about the hands that are beating you: AA or set; possible lead out if he wants to protect from cheap draws (if he puts you on eg KQ) but imo he would want to see a brick on the turn or let you hang yourself and if that is his hand, then the immediate reraise (imo) is bad play.

My guess is that he too has the AK, you have rightly taken the lead but he has not resisted. The problem is in your initial statement that you don't know him. I think you must pass and look for another opportunity. You can't win the tournament here but you can lose it. You have plenty of chips left by folding and a good clock to be patient and work out your opposition.

His play after will tell you if it was a good pass and if you decide that he is loose, then you have position and no doubt an opportunity to regain those chips (providing someone else doesn't get there before you).

You are right about those nut flush draws TightEnd, but he raised preflop in seat three. He doesn't have A8s unless he is a complete fekkin fish :)

I'd pass and live another day.

Okay, he may have been semi-bluffing with  As 8s, but, even if you call, your hand would still be excruciatingly vulnerable.

I agree with Karabiner, smells like aces to me.

not many hands you are beating, I would have re-raise on the button with AK, AQ, KK, QQ, JJ to find out if i was snooker pre-flop.

Same here. From the button, a reraise preflop would (i) Put you in control with better position and (ii) Give you information on his hand and enable you to find out if he has those darn aces.

this is true guys, but my plan early in comps is to disguise AK somewhat, therefore if the A comes on the flop you can't be put on AK and  furthermore you can get away from AK easily if you miss and face action, so you don't have to re-raise and blow chips on a drawing hand


granted though, it can lead to trouble like here

I'm experimenting at the moment with a new style so it's quite probable that I'm even fishier than normal but I'm calling the pre flop raise, then calling the flop bet. There are flush and straight draws out there for you to represent with small bets/raises in the next couple of streets. I'm trying to keep the pot small and take it away from him later. Possibly just a calling station tho :D

The big problem with that Byron (although I do like the sentiment of keeping it a small pot) is that apart from allowing cheap free cards, if your opponent is betting the draw and he misses, he may still put in a large uncallable bet on the river forcing you to give up the hand. With no information on your opponent it is difficult to assess where you are in the hand and whether he is 'at it'. This means that not only are you gaining no information, that the raise does by trying to take the lead, you are also probably calling off more chips than the 1500.

Aganist an early position raiser you should re-raise, against a late position raisor you could try and trap if the have Ax and an Ace comes on the flop. If he has AA or KK then that's life, but you need to know that you are ahead on an A or K high flop with AK. You want to play AK against AQ, AJ, AT or KQ or KJ, if you believe your opponent has one of those hands then flat call, but against an early raisor i would never call. In fact, I only against weak players who will check if they miss the flop......but them again, my style is a bit wayward (remember the KK hand in Blackpool). Maybe get advice off someone else!

I loved the KK hand in Walsall (not Blackpool!)

thanks Rob, good advice


My memory of the KK hand is

Rob raises in mid position with KK

Slightly nutty player in SB calls

Flop A Q Q

SB bets out, Rob Calls, much deliberation

SB bets the turn, a brick, Rob calls

SB checks the brick river, Rob bets, SB calls, turns over 99


but my recollection may be wrong

hmmm not sure about this.  I played this hand in almost the same way (I miniraised the flop continuation) earlyish in the Ladbrokes whos the daddy a few weeks ago.  I called the allin and was shown AQ.  Having said that I probably fold this live, I cant see him having much that I could beat.  Was it a "think a bit" allin or instant - not sure what meaning could be attached to either although i'd guess instant is a bit more likely to be aces - certainly no worse than AK.