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Ok just want to get some oppinions on this hand from the £300 main event at DTD this weekend....

Day 2 about 20 minutes into the action. I have spent about 2 hours at this table the previous night. I think my image was tight but i had played an aggressive hand against an opponent late on day 1. Villain had been pretty short at the end of day 1 and had managed to build his stack at the end of the night.

Level 13 1200/2400/300

Hero 50k
Villain 38k

Villain had just been pushed off a hand with a 3 bet a couple of hands earlier...

Folds round to Villain(seat 4) who opens for 7k in mid position...

Hero(seat 5) looks down at  Ac  Jd our move here is???

what are your relative positions?

Amended OP

Fold for me i think Dan.

Prefer to open with less than flat call with this at this point.

I think reraising is with an ace and a jack is horrible. Your turning it into a bluff?
If he flats what do we want to hit? If he shoves its an easy pass?

I think it is a pass , calling is bad we arnt deep enough to play post , we can make it like 17 and pass to a shove? better opening with worse imho.

Villain is reading this so can you hang fire with a response then id like to get your thoughts if this is alright??

pass.

AJ plays horribly here against the 3-bet calling range - suited connectors would be better in this spot (and i doubt you would do it with them as there are just too many players behind)

Dan, I am the villian in question and I was curious about this but didn't get a chance to talk obviously...I had a hand I wanted to discuss, it happened just before I bust but I noticed this thread and thought I'd comment...I hope you can tell from sitting next to me for a couple of hours I am being sincere and keen to become more active in the blonde ranks.  Been reading for years but didnt get myself an account until recently

I'm not sure how I'd play the hand if the roles were reveresed...I tend to lean towards the fold for the reasons mentioned above and because if it does get shipped in I dont want to be racing (at best) for the majority of my chips...

On the otherhand I fold a wide range of hands to you there AJ down plus any 1 of KQ and 7's down prob end up itm...you were a little unlucky to pick on the fish who cant fold AKs for his life ;-)

But if your looking for the fold you dont need the AJ and I dont think you should ever be folding AK here, its an easy call for your last 13 BB's

I was never folding as you said it's pretty much automatic...congrats on your cash by the way, a friend made the money but said it got a bit short, anyway I digress...

I can open with a reasonably wide range of hands so I understand the thought process and as Dan said I had raised and folded barely 5 mins before hand, persoanlly I'd put this down to bad timing, it can be avoided by folding but again it's not an auto fold, I assume you didnt pick up a tell indicating weakness Dan?

Ok so Villain opened for 7k...

I Shoved for 50k and it was folded around to Villain who tank Called with  Aspades  Ks

I thought you were opening with a wide range and also being close to the money positions i thought that i could get you to lay down quite a lot of hands here. Obv AK suited was not one of them...

Sorry if you wanted me to wait, read your post after I had posted..still getting used to this posting lark!

As you said the situation did make for an ideal opportunity to steal with less than premium.  If I may I'd like to hear your thoughts on a hand I had when we became 2 tables?

Yea mate go for it...

OK...I have moved to a new table and the player in question Marc Wright hasn't seen me all tourney.  I am in BB with 240k he is in CO with 520k

It's folded to him and he makes it 18.5k at 4k/8k/800, folds to me, I choose to flat call.  He has raised with  Ac 2c

Flop... Qd 9h 2s

Check check

Turn...  5s I lead out for 26.5k he flat calls

River...  9c I fire again this time 65k into 100k give or take

He dwells for 90 seconds and calls sheepishly...what would you put me on here? I will reveal shortly, just curious...

The highlighted text gives you the mentality of villain. Put yourself in villain's shoes pls Girgy. If you were just 3-bet off a hand would you then immediately be opening for 20% of your 15bb stack with a wide range of hands? Saying you think he does is based on what?

 Js  Ts

Interesting in reality I had  7d 8h for a big fat busted nothing...I was trying to represent  9d Td or something similar but after the hand I felt the 65k didn't sit right with a 9 in my hand, I'm more likely to check to him as he is known to be aggressive

Just looking for other opinions really, myself and a couple of decent players (I like to think I know what I'm doing) discussed this and the reads came back as JT and 56 :-s not sure about that 1 myself!

I found myself asking why cant I just fold pre, but it's easy after the event, I had made a decent profit from similar plays throughout

wtf!

both hands make me wanna quit online and just play live poker!

How do you represent 9-10 specifically in the suit of diamonds? Would you ever river v-bet a Q, 5 or indeed any other 1 pair hand into aggro villain who could jam into a massive pot? The action makes you look like nuts or air and we can rule out Q-Q, 9-9 and prob 2-2. So you are representing a very thin range of hands.

Sorry I wasnt specifically meaning 9Td but 9T was about the only hand I can think of that was logical...I would (and did) v-bet a Q8 and the like but the check on the flop made that sort of holding less likely IMO...good to get different opinions, I wasnt happy with the hand..obviously, and the more I thought about it the more it bothered me

Oh ok. Well if upon reflection your actions lead you to conclude you're only really representing one single hand you can see why you were called.

Sadly yes...Qx and others are possible and were in my mind but if I was in his seat 9T would be the hand I'd worry about...do you make the call with A2?

yer i concur. also, villain tank call is a slowroll of the highest order.

Yes you have 7-8. But before you see him make a call like this would you really v-bet a weak one pair into 100k cos what worse hand do you think calls?

a few different factors weigh in here as to if u can shove aj proffitably over an open . 1st what is the range of him raising then folding ?  what is the range of him raising then calling? what is the range of the people to act behind flattin your shove?  villain shudnt be raise folding much here but i know live opponents love to do that. i think in reflection its not the worst play in the world if he is loose as u have blockers for live opponents raise calling range. u might get some people to lay down pp and u might get some people to call of with a worse ace or kj type hand with his stack at this stage so u really need to know opponents ranges otherwise u just put him on a range by guessing what the average joe would do in the spot . at this point of the tourney ide try chip up.  if u tell me villains raise/folding range and raise/calling range then i can work it out maths wise so it gives a more clearer picture of the math braking point of proffit/loss of chips in this hand.  
anyway in an nutshell as always it depends but shoving over a loose raise folder here is never that bad if he folds some better hands 22 to 99 etc wiiiiiiiiiiiiii $$$$$$$ . every1 wil say fold but il say depends how loose the opening raise of villain is? some say u shudnt raise fold  in the villains spot so he shudnt open small pairs here(so his range might actually be quite tight) and other hands he wont call off with but i know lots of people wont fold ace rag j9 etc here or 22 in an unopen pot so they open then fold to a shove and these are the types u wanta shove on as they drain chips so its good to shove over themm to chip up esp in live poker ive often shoved much worse in this spot vs loose openers and laugh when they make hero folds with aj or 88 when uve shipped over the top with j7 suited knowing u have loads of fold equity vs some people when they find ak its just mhhhh

AJ is probably a fold, although i probably ship AQ and if he tanks with AKs here then it is a definite slowroll imo

AJ is shove/fold, flatting pre is horrible. I would prob fold it but depends on reads, image etc.

The 2nd hand, I would make the call as well because when you lead the turn there are a ton of draws and bluffs in your range and when you fire the river you are so much more likely to have missed a draw than have 9x, and 9x/fh is pretty much the only thing youre firing 65k on the end for value, a queen or other pair is c/c all day in this spot.