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From the Stars Blog update thingies


Pokernoob had a tough decision. Theres a 100k in the pot in a blind war and on the river theres a A98T4 board. Pokernoob checks and Roland de Wolfe bets 95k into the pot. Pokernoob tanks for a bit and then makes the call.

Roland de Wolfe shows Pokernoob one K and says K high. Then Pokernoob just looked at him stone cold and says show both. Roland de Wolfe doesn't want to!

He closes the king card and puts BOTH cards forcefully into the muck, pushing away the dealers hand. The cards touched the muck and were even under other cards.

Instantly Pokernoob slams open Q6 for Q high and says YES!

LOTS OF CONSTERNATION. Roland de Wolfe goes like my hand is better! Floor is called over and after a short discussion the floor manager declares Roland's hand dead and the pot of 300k is shipped to Pokernoob.

Pokernoob aka Tobias Reinkemeier



Discuss!

as reported by Poker Listings




We just saw emotions flare between Roland de Wolfe, Tobias Reinkemeier and the tournament staff. On a board of 9h 7c 4h Tc Ah de Wolfe fired 80,000 into a pot of about 150k.

Reinkemeier made the call and Roland, thinking he was beat, showed a king and tossed his hand in the muck. Reinkemeier had queen high but, more importantly, he had his cards in his hand and not in the muck.

The tournament staff was called and despite the fact that the dealer had pulled the cards out of the much they awarded the pot to Tobias.

We're pretty sure it was an angle-shot, but it would have taken a strong read to know Roland was so weak he would auto-muck his cards. Calling with queen-high because he thought it was the best hand just doesn't seem plausible.

24 left btw. Marc Goodwin 3rd in chips going into tomorrow

Stars blog, chip counts. RdeW in, Pookernoob eliminated.

Georgios Kapalas   Greece   $1,724,000   0   0
Matt Lapossie   Canada   $1,664,000   0   0
Marc Goodwin   UK   $1,545,000   0   0
Patrick Bueno   France   $1,467,000   0   0
Joram Voelklein   Germany   $728,000   0   0
Mihai Manole   Romania   $641,000   0   0
Ari Kolpanitzki   Israel   $616,000   0   0
Santiago Terrazas Ambite   Spain   $595,000   0   0
Bertrand "ElkY" Grospellier   France   $520,000   0   0
Jan Boubli   France   $516,000   0   0
Adam Markovits   Hungary   $503,000   0   0
Mike McDonald   Canada   $475,000   0   0
Roland de Wolfe   UK   $475,000   0   0
Jens Kyllonen   Finland   $371,000   0   0
David Robinson   USA   $365,000   0   0
Asa Gregory Smith   UK   $340,000   0   0
Carter Phillips   USA   $338,000   0   0
Julien Nuijten   Netherlands   $329,000   0   0
Toni Ville Ojala   Finland   $323,000   0   0
Oleksandr Vaserfirer   Ukraine   $258,000   0   0
Jose Alberto Carreres Quereda   Spain   $257,000   0   0
Michael Greco   UK   $169,000   0   0
Cornel Andrew Cimpan   USA   $156,000   0   0

Roland should table his hand as he made the last aggressive action I think. If he mucks then his hand is dead.

what is there to discuss? maybe roland's stupidity

Interesting how 'Stars & Listings report the story, essentially, wholly differently.

In the 'Stars version, you think, "eek, ugly", but in the Listings account, it reads quite normally, Roland just boobed by mucking prematurely.

he mucked prematurely in both versions, entirely his own fault. the caller is perfectly entitled to insist on him showing both cards

Agreed - but note the "slant" in the 'Stars version.

That Elky must have some game on him.

The guy called to see Roland's hand and Roland didn't show it.

Obviously the other guy wins, it isn't in question surely. (It isn't any sort of angle shoot.. just an incredible call)

Roland must just be pissed off at his own stupidity and taking out on the floorstaff.

Is Annette still in?

Agreed - He is doing pretty well at the moment!

bad form by roland really. Table your hand regardless.

Poor form from stars too though to misreport it like that so blatantly intentionally because roland is a ftp pro.

Seriously what is the problem people have with showing a bluff?

When you muck them people know you had f**k all anyway so why not just turn them face up.

I make it a habit now that as soon as someone says call I flip my cards regardless. If I've got nothing I just laugh and say WP nice call you got me.

You could've posted what I wrote from the Pokernews blog!



A huge crowd gathered just before the break to watch a large pot between Tobias Reinkemeier and Roland de Wolfe.

The board read {7c} {9h} {4h} {10c} {Ah} with Reinkemeier calling a 95,000 bet on the river.

Neither player wanted to show their hands, but de Wolfe eventually said, "King-high."

"Well, show it then," said Reinkemeier. De Wolfe was highly reluctant, eventually flashing the {Kc} before pushing his cards towards the muck beneath the burn cards.

Reinkemeier then turned over his missed {Qc} {6c} and de Wolfe immediately went to retrieve his cards from the muck and turn over his acutally ahead {Kc} {8d}.

A ruling from Thomas Kremser was quickly called for as the crowd grew more and more around the table, with both players claiming the pot should belong to them.

De Wolfe claimed that his cards were retrievable from the muck with Reinkemeier disagreeing.

Thomas Kremser spoke to the dealer for a couple of minutes before ruling in Reinkemeier's favour as de Wolfe shook his head.

The pot was then awarded to Reinkemeier while de Wolfe slips to below 200,000.

thanks Chris.


How you finding Barcelona?

It's quite smelly.

But seriously, I was there when the hand happened. Roland made an almost pot-sized bet on the river and the German (who actually busted while Roland is still in amazingly) made the call with Q-high. Roland didn't want to show but once he flashed the king then Reinkemeier knows he's not going to win the pot unless de Wolfe mucks. Roland then pretty much pushes his cards underneath the burn cards while the dealer attempts to keep them seperate. Reinkemeier then flips his Qc 6c and Roland immediately whips out his cards from the muck (which they had touched, but were clearly obvious as to which cards they were).

After talking to the dealer for a couple of minutes, Thomas Kremser ruled against Roland because he'd only shown one of his cards, if he'd shown both he may well have been awarded the pot despite mucking. I certainly don't blame the other guy although the angleshoot case could be argued because the other player led Roland to believe K-high was no good.

Obviously we have to be impartial in the report but I think it was probably the correct ruling in a tough spot, however I don't think it would have been an utterly terrible ruling had it gone Roland's way.

To Roland's credit he didn't tilt away his chips and has played pretty well since.

Woooow.

I think it's a good reminder just to do the simple thing, and always turn your cards over, as it's the second bizarre mistake recently in a massive spot in a big tournament. (The other one was on the final table bubble of the Wynn Classic; Scott Seiver turns 22 into a big bluff, Jimmy Fricke calls, and Seiver says "good call," and mucks his hand. Fricke shows down AQ high to win the pot).

It seems pretty unclear what the German's exact intentions were. Whereabouts do you think it was Chris, between him thinking that queen high was good, to him knowing that there was no chance that it was, but hoping that there would be an unusual way he could win the pot.

Let's go with the second one, and say that he knew for sure Roland would have to inadvertedly muck for him to win, and that what he said might be crucial.
Is this an angle shoot? I really don't know, and am tempted to say it's not. Either way, it's an incredibly brave and clever piece of poker.

Reinkemeier thought he was ahead according to some of guys from the site he was sponsored by who were also covering the tournament. If this is the case, I think he would ask more out of shock and disbelief that Roland had actually got the best hand than it being an angle shoot.

If it was the second case you mention, then surely he would check-raise the river?

it would have been a truly appalling ruling had it gone roland's way

Tbf to Stars it was also reported on their blog at the time like this (see below)

IMO i think the TD made the correct decision, both parties are guilty, Roland for mucking and Tobias for not showing once Roland had 'shown him' the winning hand.

I spoke to Matt Savage about The Seiver vs Fricke hand that Stu mentions - which was a liitle different as it was an all-in and call on the river - in that situation Matt said it was dealer error as the dealer should not have mucked Seiver's hand but turned it face up. I also remember a hand from a Foxwoods WPT from 07 (i think) involving JC Tran (there's video evidence on CardPlayer i believe) where on the flop Tran gets it all in vs Mateyboy on the flop, Tran has trips, Mateyboy has J-high or something and goes to muck face down, with such anger that his cards end up face down almost off the table in the dealer tray, the dealer turns them face up and Mateyboy hits runner-runner straight and wins the hand. Tran was annoyed but correct ruling was made as TDA Rule #9 states "All cards will be turned face up once a player is all-in and all betting action is complete." (edit found JC Tran hand here: http://tinyurl.com/nlfgtv)


3.14pm: RULING!
There's been some dramatic scenes here at the EPT Barcelona between Roland de Wolfe and Tobias Reinkemeier. The board read 4♥ 9♥ 7♣ T♣ A♥ when De Wolfe fired one last bet into the 150,000 pot. Reinkemeier made the call and De Wolfe flashed a K♣ before throwing his hand into the muck. Reinkemeier then showed Q♣ 6♣, the losing hand, but, crucially, the only active hand left in the pot.

De Wolfe appealed, claiming that his king-high should stand as the German player had seen it. The tournament director Thomas Kremser was called over and had to break the tough news to De Wolfe that as he had not shown both cards before his hand was mucked that Reinkemeier had to be awarded the pot.

Eh???

As far as I can tell Tobias has done nothing wrong.

He's hero called with Q high. Roland has decided to just show one card (wtf?) when he knows full well he needs to show both to win the pot. Tobias, wanting to just get on with it tells him to hurry up and show the other. But instead Roland decides to muck and kill his hand. WP.

Any other ruling would be outright terrible.

Can't stand it when players won't show their hands.  Call, what you got?  Not much, what you got?  You first.  I called you..  AARGGHHHHHH show your f*@!ing hands.

I thought both payers were required to show their hands in these circumstances, no?  It should be a rule, anyone attempting to muck sneakily punished with a one orbit penalty and a load of itching powder poured down his back or pushed in some stinging nettles.

If someone has shown a winner then you don't have to show your hand.

The order of showing hands is the aggressor shows first. In this case that is Roland. So what should have happened was Roland shows Kx, other player mucks. Roland only shown one card. The other player isn't obligated to do a thing until Roland a) shows his other card, or b) mucks his hand.

great ruling, muck = dead. was in a big cash game in aviation club when someone pulled their cards out the muck to win 4kE and wanted to throwup.

She didn't play in Barcelona, she entered the WPT Cyprus Event and busted towards the end of Day 1b

It's just bad all round. Roland is a sponsored professional and shouldn't be babyish by not openly tabling his full hand. The opponent behaves even worse when he sees the winning hand and doesn't say 'you win'. He can then muck face down.

FTP would of been better off signing Roland from Grange Hill imo.

well i heard that the german knew that roly had a habit of mucking his bluffs...
anyway gl marc, roly, greco & asa

It's also fun to see the shock on their face when you flip them straight away, followed by the confusion as they try and work out if you actually have anything.

Or flip them and announce "the nuts".  That also worries them for a few seconds...

16 left, feature table just starting now on http://www.pokerstars.tv/channels/TPI/live.html

includes 3 brits - Asa Smith, Michael Greco & Marc Goodwin big chip leader.

Goodwin - HAT - NOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

OMFG Greco hat even more respulsive gl brits.

PLEASE DO NOT INSULT PEOPLE'S HATS. I AM HIGHLY HIGHLY OFFENDED BY THIS.

i imagine raising river is better than calling

Cos, shut it.  Just because you are a celeb now, don't stand over us lowly people!!

Goodwin looks like Suggs from Madness

True, sorry.

Why? he paid to see both cards,

Immense. Double check raise bluff! LeKnave would have loved that

Thewy has good chips in the €2k btw.

Just doubled up to 15bb. Stealing more TV time.

Peggy and Tiffany on the rail supposedly.

On a break, but coverage here:-

http://www.pokerstars.tv/channels/TPI/ept-live.html

zomg - gotta be a bet - or lost a prop?

(http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo151/outragous76/goodwinhat.jpg)

and bleedin Russo again

"....... one time...............at band camp"

her voice tilts me so hard

grecco s effort at his lucky hat.....................


(http://i371.photobucket.com/albums/oo151/outragous76/greccohat.jpg)

Don't get me wrong Red I think both actions were really bad. As a sponsored pro and ambassador of the game De Wolfe should do the correct thing and table both cards.

However, in light of what he actually did, his opponent should have said he wanted to see both cards and declared that King high was good.

If he says it's good RDW HAS to show BOTH

If he doesn't say anything RDW HAS to show BOTH where's the problem?


He as a professional chose to muck his hand rather than table it ---> he lost the pot to the other live hand....


Wd to the other player for understanding the rules of poker. Protect your hand throughout, AND table it when it's your action to. This isn't the other player using an angle or doing anything wrong it's RDW's mistake 100%.

Wow, anyone see that?

Carter Phillips raises pre, Lapossie calls. Goodwin 3-bets. Phillips 4-bet. Lapossie folds, Goodwin calls. Q-T-9 flop, check check. Turn A, Phillips bets 1/2 pot. Goodwin tanks, Spanish guy calls clock. Goodwin folds AK face up and Phillips shows 8-6cc!

yup sick to call a clock that quick and in a pot of that size esp considering his stack size!!!

Surprised goodwin didnt get more annoyed tbh.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee gl gl gl Marc Goodwin in the final !!

Thewy on the final table of the €2k with average chips. €160k ftw...

GO GO GO Julian. :D

GLGLGLGL Julian

Err, lol.

Get it won Jules.

Best of luck!!!

Have you got a % old man ??

I wish.

Text just in from the man......

" i have average chips, 20 bigs, should suit me, lol, 8 left".

Text him and tell him that if he pays me 20%, I will fly out there and escort him past the muggers and back to his hotel.

He's mugger-free.

He was with a bunch of guys there a few years ago, 4 of them, including Matt Tyler I think, & they got mugged outside the Casino. Well, three of them did, they ignored Thewy, because, & I don't mean this unkindly, but he dresses like a tramp, dreadful sandals & all, so they assumed he was not worth mugging.

He had about 15 large in his lucy.....

The boy's blessed.

A video of the Roland hand:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr2agX80ZyE

Dealer getting busy where it's not needed imo

Oops.......

Surprising that - he deliberately touched the muck with his Cards, to kill his Hand, knowingly, so he deffo knew the score.

Very odd.

lol. tobias knew exactly what he was doing. still 100% roland's fault though and 100% the right ruling. what the hell was the dealer doing pulling the hand out of the muck and flipping it though?

LOL at Roland acting like a big baby.

God I love it.



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thats what I heard in that video ;grr;

translation of interview please boldie

"I clearly cheated and pulled a great stroke on the Englander, that should stop the fuckers coming over here pretending they are coming to see Anne Franks house and the museums, when all they want to do is smoke Rastafarian old holborn and bang a couple of hookers"

OK. I admit it. I lol'd.

 rotflmfao rotflmfao

haha, video so funny. wtf was roland playing at? was even worse than seeing the written description.

The way the dealer desperately tries to stop him mucking but he lifts his hands and put the cards in, then goes those arent in the muck what are you doing lol. All his mistake.  Would very much like a translation though.

Thewy Update.....

"AK got done by AJ, left with 2 bigs, got 6 bigs now".

The interviewer asks him "What caused you to decide to call with queen high?"

" I was hoping mainly that he was on a bluff and I had the better hand with queen high, becuase the way the hand had played out made it certain that he was bluffing. He had called a check raise on the flop, and called pretty quickly on the turn, so I thought queen high may be good. However, I thought also, that if he indeed did have king high, he wasn't necessarily going to show king high. He had made a few bluffs before, and not shown his hand. I hoped that, if I made the call, king high might go straight into the muck.

However, he showed the king, and this is where I had to keep a little bit cool. He began to think that I had the winning hand, but just wanted to see the second card, and so mucked his hand. His hand was most definitely in the muck, and the dealer packed his cards into the muck. Then, I took and showed my hand, and celebrated as the pot was so big. He then claimed that his hand was not dead, but I would never have shown my hand if I had not been absolutely sure that his hand was dead."

This seems to be the one scenario that confuses dealers everywhere in the world. Why will they do anything from help the hand into the muck to, in this case, desperately trying to grab it from the muck?!

Thew's News......

Gone 6th for 23 (€23,000 I assume), KQ v same guys K-T, he flopped a flush........."

Nice cash though, bully for him.

UL Julian vwp tho congrats

UL JT   ;applause; ;applause;

ty all,
spoke to marc about the ak fold on the ace high boar...said he was about to call the turn & either go home or catch the bluff on the river when the guy called another player called clock...said it fkd his head that someone could call a clock so quickly & at such a moment, couldn't then remember his train of thought & with 3 seconds left just mucked it.
gl tomorrow guys...

Brilliant!

Our thoughts on this hand...........

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr2agX80ZyE

is this the Q hi vs K hi that was discussed in other thread

ive always thought roland de wolfe was a bit rubbish and never rated him and when i heard about this hand i thought it was standard de wolfe, he'd fcked up because he thinks he knows everything and probs deserved to make himself look like a mug but seeing the footage i feel a bit sorry for him, the dealer is almost pulling the cards out of his hand before he wants to muck and it looks like his decision to muck was based on the dealer grabbing at his cards and saying something to him

yeah

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=44062.0

Eh?

He wanted to muck his hand, and it was the dealer that was trying to stop him!

just before that @ 1:31

lool

Surely he's asking him to turn both cards over to take the pot?

yeah i'm not saying that but the dealer is almost pulling the cards out of his hand to turn them over which seems to make him muck

threads merged

You've got mad game Tighty. Not even Alex Martin can thread-merge.

Issue so easily resolved in the good old days with a quick thumping.

This is beyond angle shooting by Tobias, it's just being a dick.

Bad for the game. Bad for his sponsor.

I'm balancing my range until the time comes to Pm you again.

Disagree completely.

He paid to see, Roland should show or muck, he can't have it both ways.

[ ] Disagree completely.

[X] He paid to see,

[X] Roland should show or muck

From the interview...Tobias says he knew there was a chance Roland would do this, so acted accordingly.

De Wolfe obviously messed up big time, but Tobias's approach sucks donkey balls.



Cards in the pub. Matches for chips.

This.

Roland didn't table a hand, and didn't muck. Tobias merely asked him to do one of the two - Roland chose muck. Tobias wins - simples.

I love my country

I love my ipod

I prefer MOBO.

Watching the final now, the Romanian and Spaniard are terrible, the Candian is spewing incredibly hard and Asa Smith is playing very well.

whats the lineup?

Any link to chipcounts/payouts etc?

Seat 1: Georgios Kapalas - 826,000
Seat 2: Mihai Manole - 410,000
Seat 3: Santiago Terrazas - 546,000
Seat 4: Asa Smith - 1,380,000
Seat 5: Carter Phillips - 4,421,000
Seat 6: Matt "Lapozie" Lapossie - 2,938,000
Seat 7: Toni Ojala - 754,000
Seat 8: Marc Goodwin - 3,100,000

at the start

:D Awards ceremony mixup http://us.123rf.com/400wm/400/400/pzaxe/pzaxe0903/pzaxe090300163/4438617.jpg

1   € 850,000   -   
2   € 530,000   -   
3   € 300,000   -   
4   € 250,000   -   
5   € 200,000   -   
6   € 160,000   -   
7   € 120,000   -   
8   € 80,000   Georgios Kapalas   
9   € 50,000   Julien Nuijten


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lol, J4 vs QQ hand was spew spew spew

lol he was gutted in the interview, the geezer who knocked him out has been so tight and had a run of pocket pairs :)

Mihai Manole was WestPark on Crypto I think? Very good player.

Really? he's played horridly on the FT tbh...

Wow that surprises me. He was probably one of the biggest winners on Crypto at 2/5, 5/10 and 10/20 plo.

He raise/folded the button when the Spaniard pushed the SB giving him better than 2:1 on the call and Spaniard showed 98o. He then call a PF raise with like 13 BB's vs super-aggro Lapossie and c/folded the flop.

How can someone at an EPT final table make such basic errors?

Wow thanks for that info flops.

Really surprising.

Second hand and Terrazas the Spaniad raises to 180,000 at blinds 20k/40k playing a 540,000 stack and folded when two people shoved behind him.

He also made it 250,000 preflop at 25k/50k and then folded to a minreraise from Lapossie.

ThierryH no?

Decent player but often over aggressive in bad spots imo

Anyone know much about Asa Smith? Is he an online player? Does he play the UK circuit?

They are one and the same person

10/20 25/50  player.

Cmon Marc!!!

Goodwin up to ~3.8m. Just knocked a player out with A9 against his opponents AT aipf. Flop was raggy, but Goodwin hit running spades to make a flush.

Heads up for the title. Think he has a slight chip deficit. I fancy Goodwin to win it here heads up

And he's now heads up. He took out the 3rd place player giving him and Phillips similar stacks.

took a while to call that hand with the KJ. gl hu mr goodwin

I disagree, Marc is a very good player but I think Carter Phillips has the edge. They'll probably chop it HU anyway I reckon.

No doubt Carter is good. Obv don't know much about their heads up game- just fancy Goodwin will take it

good luck Marc :)up

Errm what is bad about this?

Open raising for 4.5x with an M of 9.

Marc stole ahead but Carter just re took the lead after calling two streets with K high which was good

Terrazas is absolutely terrible. I remeber he ruined me 3 or 4 years back with 2 tables left in a 1k in Barcelona Jac Arama open shoved for about 10bigs from the cutoff and i shoved for 25 bigs from the SB with Aces obv Terrazas now snapped my head off with a7 of diamonds from the BB, having us both covered but only just. Sure didn't flop the stone cold.

WP Phillips

Ul Marc

raise less pre too 100k

goodwin 2nd? nice score still, but damn this guy is hot property, his results the last 3 years have been phenomenal.

Soz obv the open is tez but the fold isn't

Great result Mark, many congrats.

Do you mean the guy that won it Alex? What have his other results been?

No the guy who won it has only been pro for a year, managed to chop the first side event he played before EPT aswell though so running hot ftw.

Yeah, he chopped the first side event in Barcelona with Jason Mercier apparently. Pretty sick.

Agree. Though it's a technically bad play, I actually don't hate it, as it at least leaves him able to make a good fold.

He seems to be the husband of a crazy Spanish lady, who once knocked out of one of the 2k side events in Barcelona by flopping the nut flush when we were AIPF.

She compounded my misery by high fiving all her friends, a couple of our opponents, and then, in the most bizarre moment ever, high fiving me!

LMAO lolol

He seems to be the husband of a crazy Spanish lady, who once knocked out of one of the 2k side events in Barcelona by flopping the nut flush when we were AIPF.

She compounded my misery by high fiving all her friends, a couple of our opponents, and then, in the most bizarre moment ever, high fiving me!

lol

wwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee see i am learning

This confused me a lot,lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr2agX80ZyE

I love it when the villian celebrates lols

dealer shouldnt b turning rolands cards over right?

(http://www.circleplayers.net/Show%20Pages/0809/titanic/images/London-Herald-Titanic-Sinks-101070-748588.jpg)

In other news

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not a dewolfe fan longy?

Never met him, don't really have a view either way on Roland. Gatso and myself were just poking a little fun.

http://blondepoker.com/forum/index.php?topic=44062.0

This thread has already been merged once.

Think they mean that its already been discussed on here Toby.

Do keep up Toby - even I'm ahead of you this time, & that's a first. ;)

yeah, this is at least the 3rd thread on the hand

and lol @ awful ruling btw

Apparantly the German Tobias Reinkemeier gave Brit De Wolfe his 2nd bad beat of the week by sneeklily waking up at 5:30 on Day 2 to drape his towel over the best sun lounger by the pool.

oops

/thread

;kev;

posting fish imo.   ;adamm;