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anyone want to tell me a reason why i shouldn't have lumped on valuev at 2/1 earlier?

I think Haye will win, but 2-1 is pretty decent valuev

Can't spend ......................................

I still think Haye will win this, and listening to him on the radio I hope he does because he seems quite funny and bright, but fuck me, look at this size difference

Ive never really seen Valuev fight but it should be closer than most people think.

Valuev is such a charicature it's ridic.

Imagine if he had any boxing abaility, he would be literally untouchable

And if he had the abaility to spell he could be one of the greatest 7 foot writers ever.

Very few boxers of his size are actually any good, their size works against them later on. I remember they wheeled out this 7ft sack of shit to fight audley harrison and he was awful, just made harrison look better than he was. Valuev will be one of the better ones, but its not the toughest division in the world at the moment. Will be fun to watch either way.

He eats 3 kilos of meat a day, thats roughly 17 quarter pounders...

Valuev does has some skill, and he's not just a freak.  However, his size obviously affects his speed and it's definitely a case of David v Goliath (so easy for the headline writers this one) and Haye needs to use his speed and skills and stay out of the way.

Can Haye take a decent punch? (Never watched him fight)

Not really known for having a decent chin - but that's what makes him exciting.  He can bang, but doesn't take a shot too well.  If he can reach Valuev's head he can dish out some damage of his own..

Yep, very suspect chin, he has sharpened up his defence a bit and he certainly will be getting knocked out again in his career, as boshi says, thats what makes it a great fight

If he can't take a punch he won't stand much of a chance though against a guy this size who can take a punch and can very easily land one, no?. 2-1 seems a bit big of a price on the big guy.

Have you not read the bible ffs?

I just gave my old mucker Haye a call and he told me this, its a bit similar to what he said in an interview with the Daily Mail:

'OK, in an ideal world I would have a granite chin but don't forget that even Ali got put down. Two things matter: how you react - and I always get up - and, even more importantly, not losing your concentration when you go after someone. The punches that knock you over are the ones you don't see. That's been the case with me every time.
'When I got back to the corner after Mormeck floored me, I had to ask Adam what he hit me with. He told me it was his left hook. So, after that, I kept my right up by my chin and my eyes open . . . and knocked him out. Valuev will be too slow to catch me like that - and I'm so fast he won't see my punches coming.'

TK told me fiction is for kids.

Ruslan Chagaev beat him and he was only 6" 1" and i'd say Haye is better than Chagaev

but the shear size of the beast does have to be bit of  a worry

cool, will deffo watch :)

Heard this guy Valuev ain't been put down neither.

Can't think why though!
 ;popcorn;

Last bloke who tried:

(http://www.brockhilltreecare.co.uk/assets/images/tree_felling.jpg)

Wtf Valuev clearly isn't real.

yeah it was an awful fight though, they both stood around and didnt punch eachother for 12 rounds and the other guy nicked it, i think the other guys quickly went on to lose the title as well, valuev doesnt do anything he just stands around, i remember haye getting layed out by carl thompson, a guy that fought eubank at middle weight!!!! if this guy could punch he'd knock haye out of he ring, this will be a weird freak match with a lot of wrestling and booing from the crowed.

I thought Thompson fought Eubank at light-heavyweight or cruiserweight even?

yeah? if it was late in his career maybe, i'll check it out

yeah it was eubanks last ever two fights cruiserweight

i hate steve collins so much, fake champ, fought eubank 5 years after his best and benn probs 3 years, didnt fight anyone else and based his whole career around beating them two twice, that boxingrec site is good

Boxingrec is the nuts.  Going to check Valuev's record now...

valuev has improved significantly in his last couple of fights that i have seen, he had a solid jab and just didn't let the oppo get near him. Haye is reckless and made it look like really hard work against that truly awful boxer that was his stepping stone to this fight. i'd go 4/6 valuev 1/1 haye.

boxrec

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhWh3tN5s4M

I'm starting to think backing Valuev is the way to go, despite his obvious strengths, he is also fighting in his new home of Germany, which is the most corrupt place in boxing (more than Vegas) and they will not want the title to leave. I reckon if Haye takes him the distance (which he probably will) we could see a dodgy decision.

Hope I'm wrong and Haye takes a running jump and floors the big fecker in the first round.

Very good point, there have been quite a few in Germany.  Robin Reid's springs to mind against Ottke. 

I still think that Haye will win most of the rounds convincingly though, so the decision should be a formality.


Like Brad Pitt did in Troy.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qibrAX4URTc

Haye has never been the distance at heavyweight though? Coming through little jabs for 12 rounds really takes it out of a fighter, see hatton v mayweather. The last bit of valuev i saw his game plan was pretty much jab him when he comes in then lateral movement away from the hooks and it worked like a charm. I'd expect haye to win the first few rounds but with biased judges and haye tiring i'd be more inclined to think valuev would win in a points situation.

I don't think Germany is to bad anymore.

Could've been worse,could've been in Rome!

Any idea on what time the fight will be on?

9.45 intros i think

Some time between 9:30 and 11pm, bigger box office in Europe than the US hence the sensible start time. There has been some petty squabbling about it being earlier than advertised as Haye makes more if it slightly later to get the box off figures up in the UK.

As for the fight I hope Haye wins, firstly cos he is British obv and secondly because he is pretty interesting to watch, we need exciting fighters in the heavyweight division.

people are saying hayes gonna win each round easy, i dont get it?


its not just that he's unproven at the weight he's just not that fantastic a fighter, especialy against a fighter whos only lost once in 52 or whatever

Haye has questionable stamina and a fragile chin.  Can see him just running out of steam in the later rounds and getting knocked out. 

If it goes the distance he has to win every round just to get a split decision according to someone just on Sky Sports.

I think the value(v) in the fight is the Ruski.  Really hard fight to predict as we don't know how Haye's chin is going to hold up, will the Ruski be able to deal with Haye's movement and quick hands etc.

thats what i'm saying,

i wouldnt willingly have a bet, tricky fight.

Just LOL at Ricky Hatton on the countdown show. How the fk does a professional fighter get that fat in such a short space of time? He is going have serious weight problems after he retires unless he sorts his life out.

Ricky Hatton's on countdown????

Haye should win the rounds, but so did holyfield and he did'nt get the decision.  Hopefully Haye can do it more convincingly.  Even if Haye's stamina gets the better of him his punch output should still be above valuevs

Haye to win pretty easily. Not that he's amazing but Valuev is so, so bad.

Think I'm going for points win for Valuev
At 4-1 worth a score
that's if haye can stand the power... Lol

std

if i go to my mates to watch it with the lads ill prolly just bang one of them on the chin out of the blue for entertainment, cause the fight will be that fkin bad.

I reckon it will be good, Haye will have to go for it I think, and his fights are nearly always good. Looking forward to it

Agree with this. 

It'll definitely be better than Lewis v Akinwande fight (well I say fight).  That was the worst fight I've ever seen.

am starting to think haye will get put down around the 7th,

unless he can stay out of trouble and dance in and out

I'm loving how the pictures/videos highlighting the size difference is making Haye drift in the betting.

Watched a few videos of their previous fights and Valuev is going to take an absolute battering.  If he manages to stay standing then i'll just have to swallow it - but i can see this being very one sided.

15st8 to 22st8 at the weigh in

that's like a whole person difference in weight, not a poker player obv, a small person

GRRRRRRRR ffs sky is constantly busy and me sky box says there is a problem with my phone line !!!!!!!!!!

I've just ordered ok.

wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii am through

shiddy music though

CIA - had the same frustration, plugged the phone line in from the sky box and click 'select' as prompted and now praying valuev beats the sht out of Haye for financial reasons.... if it looks like Haye is clearly going to win I will go to being English and cheer him all the way... I am a fickle man!

£20 Valuev ko,tko,dq

£5 Valuev 7th, 8th,

£20 Valuev win

If he wins, by knocking him out in the 8th round.... wiiiiiiiii (Reality - Hayes, 2nd round floors him wp)

sorted  :)up :)up :)up :)up

tried everything with filters phone lines and wouldnt do anything so had to call em,

but the cheecky fecker Deepit wanted to charge me £1 for doing it on the phone

[ ] he sure got it

70's porn?

Had to turn background music off for same reason.

nah some electro crap was really bad..

£10 each Haye wins in knockout in rounds 2, 3, or 4.

If Valuev is still standing by round 8 he'll knock Haye out....but that's his only chance me thinks.

Should be fun to watch but I'll catch it online tomorrow :)

Is this right,you think Haye will win in by K/O in rds 2,3,or 4?

IF SO I'll have a tenner

OI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
just lost frigging channel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dunno mate, just fancy and quick punt, I think if haye hasn't won by the midddle rounds he's going to struggle, but I know f all about boxing tbh.

link to watch this online or do I need to order it?

A tenner it is then..

Dunno i paid, I want good quality pic and its only £15 ffs.

[ x ] should have given Deepit the extra quid,he's grimmed me for  £15  ffs

surprisingly sky are busy..................


sorted phew...

adaptor that filter plugs into seemed bit dodgy so pulled box out and swapped lead into different socket with sky box propped up on dvd's as i needed amother 12" on the phone lead

 ffs sky make yr phone leads long enough to strecth across the room

he looks cockily confident..haye

and he looks frigging brutal...valuev

http://p2p4u.net/watch-live-sports.php?id=7765&link=1 Decent streaming here.

time does it start?

Gerber/Mclean  >>> FARCE!!!!!!!!!!!!

9.45 is estimated start

??? u get it free and choose to watch it online????

tis good but last fight was 13min behind

perfect stream on sopcast 24267

haye entrance at 9.50

Link please

touch gloves@ 10.02

got money on Haye winning in the 6th

finally found a stable one after trying about 10 links

http://atdhe.net/7509/watch-nikolay-valuev-vs-david-haye

decent link   http://www.unlitv.net/2009/11/valuev-vs-haye-live.html

1/2 way

haye just in front

Haye looks like he's labouring.

Not so sure the judges will agree.

Settled for radio5 commentary as i can't get those streams, but thanks for posting.

On the radio the pundits have Haye three or four rounds ahead presently

dreaming- its a lot closer then that

I've seen more punches thrown in the Luton card room.

I think the Aclhilles move may well be required here.

For me Haye needs a stoppage to leave with the belt.

Pretty much the whole of Twitter is saying Haye is ahead.

Then again, when was the last time Valuev lost on points in Germany?

links seemed to have stopped workign?

mines fine - albeit in fecking german.

foudn the german one- muted it and put radio 5 live commentary on

do we get the PPV stuff free as well?

Good round for Haye

I know they're making out Haye is miles behind but it could go either way i reckon.

one time heavyweight champion of the world please

Rematch whoever wins.

valuev in judges eyes

This

All three radio 5 commentators have Haye by 4 rounds.

well..................gg

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HEAVYWEIGHT WORLD CHAMPION

juune, my link stopped working at end of last round

Result?

good game plan - made for poor fight

still its the result that should lead to some better fights in the future

easy money. market spazzed out and went out to 3.5 for haye to win on points at the start of the 12th

Just looked on BBC, how many points did Haye win by?

114-114, 116-112, 116-112

gatso is too quick imo

tyty

Job done, and surprisingly accurate scorecards (from two of the judges).

Shame Haye didn't go for it a little earlier, might have got a knockdown and a stoppage win.

Good to have a Brit as World Champ again.

Should beat Ruiz in first defence too.

Wow never been so delighted to lose a bet ever!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thought it was 50/50 at decision time. A small part of me thinks the powers that be in boxing want not only rid of Valuev, but they see David Haye as $$$$$$$$$ for them and boxing as a whole. DH will be a good and exciting heavyweight champion for the future IMO, good luck to him I say.

Also glad I lost my bet, had money on Valuev too win on points..
So shocked yet happy with result...
Good for boxing...

wiiiiiiiiiii forgot about this with all the wsop ft excitement

Just watched a replay of the fight http://www.youtube.com/user/shiffttyakajkid#p/u/6/y0DwrgnMj10

Really meh fight but I thought Haye won. Valuev is so ridiculously limited as a boxer that is an embarrasment he was a heavyweight champion. I think peoples concerns about Haye getting a bad decision (including myself) were unfounded, Haye is sooooooooo much more marketable for future fights that it balances the home advantage.

Oh and wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii @ a British boxer being heavyweight champ.

It was a really interesting and captivating fight, though I wouldnt want to watch a rematch.

In a completely neutral environment, I think Haye won it by a couple of clear rounds, but I actually think he needed to do a lot more because he was in Germany. Either way cracking result, Haye is awesome for both british boxing and heavyweight boxing in general and I think he has shown he can change gears and hang with the big men no problem.

Also, this once again shows what a tremendous sack of shit Audley Harrison is, who still hasnt managed a proper world title fight after winning gold 9 years ago, yet Haye wins bronze or someink at some other comp and then just a few years later is fighting for the world heavyweight title from cruiserweight after three fights.

Haye should cruise past Ruiz, but I think the Kltschkos would be a step too far, hope im wrong.

Wathed this on Sky Box Office and thought the commentators were terribly over-cautious about the judges when Haye was clearly ahead by a few rounds.

As widely predicted tbh - good little spectacle though.

Think the commentators were probably right actually, though I did have him ahead and they didnt, a challenger has to stand out to take a title and Germany is so corrupt and incompetent (although in fairness, they got it dead right but the earlier fight that joke ref did give Ruizs opponent a standing 8 when he should have stopped it) I think Haye should have won the rounds more convincingly to guarantee victory. Probably the presence of Don King meant that the two corrupt influences worked as a double negative and actually made the fight pretty fair.

For me Haye done enough to be ahead but I didn't think he had done enough to get a points decision in a world title fight in Germany. I was actually really surprised when he got the decision. Delighted for him though. Agree that he will probably be out his depth against either Klitschko.

I would have had Haye to beat Wladamir last year but when Wladamir beat Chageyev (who also beat Valuev) he looked absolutely brilliant. I agree that Haye will struggle to beat him after seeing that.

He has no chance against Vitaili.