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Title: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: Blatch on September 21, 2009, 03:29:26 PM Played a comp at the weekend where I felt I had a huge edge on the field and was wondering just how much this should change things.
A few key hands from it for opinions please guys. I have moved to current table with 22k and now have a peak of 57k. There are 35 players left with 14k up top paying 9 places. The average for the final table is 73k and current average is around 22k. I havent been overly active but two people sitting aroudn me have said they refuse to get in pots with me and generally no one has made a move on me yet. I have 3 bet once at the table and took it down pre flop and only hand ive shown is KK. Hand 1 Im in SB, its folded round to the button who has been quiet ish and raises to 1150 with blinds at 200/400/25 on a 8 handed table. I look down at TT. My move? Button is a short ish stack playing around 12k. Hand 2 Im playing around 40k and blinds have moved to 300/600/25 and I raise to 1650 with 68 off. BB flats for first time ive seen. Flop comes Ace high with an 8 on giving me bottom pair. I c/bet and get called. C/C turn and then an 8 pops up on river (MBN). I pot for value and get snapped, he flashes an ace and mucks and then starts mouthing off. Very next hand I have JJ when folded round to me and make same raise. The same player in previous hand now makes it 6k with around 20k behind. My move? Hand 3 Its my BB and im playing around 10k with blinds now at 400/800/50 and UTG who has been quiet nursing a short stack shoves for 6.7k and I look down at Kd Jd. My move? Im assuming this is all pretty standard stuff but you start to doubt yourself a bit when things arent going your way. Cheers for help and advice guys. Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: titaniumbean on September 21, 2009, 03:34:06 PM Hand 1 I might flat if I think that he wont stack off wide enough. If you 3bet do you think you can get him to shove much worse, how much do you think he's just going to fold to a 3 bet?
Hand 2 I get it in and hand 3 would have to be biggest nit bag in earth and even then i'd prob still call. edit if he's any kind of competent and see's what percentage of his stack is going in in the next two hands surely his range is wide enough that KJs is a good spot for us to be getting chips in even w/e fe? edit re hand 1, if you feel your edge is really huge on both the field and button then taking the lower variance options and looking to see flops and let people make bigger mistakes is best. Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: GreekStein on September 21, 2009, 03:35:18 PM Played a comp at the weekend where I felt I had a huge edge on the field and was wondering just how much this should change things. A few key hands from it for opinions please guys. I have moved to current table with 22k and now have a peak of 57k. There are 35 players left with 14k up top paying 9 places. The average for the final table is 73k and current average is around 22k. I havent been overly active but two people sitting aroudn me have said they refuse to get in pots with me and generally no one has made a move on me yet. I have 3 bet once at the table and took it down pre flop and only hand ive shown is KK. Hand 1 Im in SB, its folded round to the button who has been quiet ish and raises to 1150 with blinds at 200/400/25 on a 8 handed table. I look down at TT. My move? Button is a short ish stack playing around 12k. Hand 2 Im playing around 40k and blinds have moved to 300/600/25 and I raise to 1650 with 68 off. BB flats for first time ive seen. Flop comes Ace high with an 8 on giving me bottom pair. I c/bet and get called. C/C turn and then an 8 pops up on river (MBN). I pot for value and get snapped, he flashes an ace and mucks and then starts mouthing off. Very next hand I have JJ when folded round to me and make same raise. The same player in previous hand now makes it 6k with around 20k behind. My move? Hand 3 Its my BB and im playing around 10k with blinds now at 400/800/50 and UTG who has been quiet nursing a short stack shoves for 6.7k and I look down at Kd Jd. My move? Im assuming this is all pretty standard stuff but you start to doubt yourself a bit when things arent going your way. Cheers for help and advice guys. Hand 1. If you really think this guy is so tight that he is only raising premiums then peel. Normally my line here would be 3-bet/snap. Hand 2. Shove, with this history I think he calls a lot worse than JJ. Hand 3. Pass. When ur blinds pass you just aggress unopened pots in the dynamic you're talking about. Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: BulldozerD on September 21, 2009, 03:38:13 PM normally i would 3bet hand 1 and get it in somehow, but have been known to flat depending on the guy on the button, his tendancies and history but default would be to put pressure on.
hand 2 is get it in time as described hand 3 i would fold and use my stack to steal Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: boldie on September 21, 2009, 03:54:29 PM hand 1, I get it in...but not that happy about it.
hand 2..I fistpump and get it in...you're likely to be way ahead here. hand 3 is a clear fold for me Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: GreekStein on September 21, 2009, 04:01:27 PM hand 1, I get it in...but not that happy about it. hand 2..I fistpump and get it in...you're likely to be way ahead here. hand 3 is a clear fold for me Boldie few qns. Hand 1 - When you say get it in do you just straight up shove? If so, why? If not, how do u do it? Hand 2 - We might be well ahead but that doesn't mean getting it in is the right move unless there's enough in the pot to happily take down not wanting to go to showdown or that he calls with a lot worse. What's your thinking? Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: boldie on September 21, 2009, 04:13:53 PM hand 1, I get it in...but not that happy about it. hand 2..I fistpump and get it in...you're likely to be way ahead here. hand 3 is a clear fold for me Boldie few qns. Hand 1 - When you say get it in do you just straight up shove? If so, why? If not, how do u do it? I shove here. He's likely to call anyways and a massive overbet makes me look weaker than a pair of tens IMO. I mainly do it though because if I just 3bet to say..3K he can flat and I'm OOP for the rest of the hand. Hand 2 - We might be well ahead but that doesn't mean getting it in is the right move unless there's enough in the pot to happily take down not wanting to go to showdown or that he calls with a lot worse. What's your thinking? I reckon he'll call with plenty worse here...either out of spite or simply because he doesn't take us for a hand as big as JJ p.s. MUCH happier getting it in in situation 2 than situation 1 as the odds of us being well ahead in situation 2 are much larger IMO> Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: GreekStein on September 21, 2009, 04:43:40 PM hand 1, I get it in...but not that happy about it. hand 2..I fistpump and get it in...you're likely to be way ahead here. hand 3 is a clear fold for me Boldie few qns. Hand 1 - When you say get it in do you just straight up shove? If so, why? If not, how do u do it? I shove here. He's likely to call anyways and a massive overbet makes me look weaker than a pair of tens IMO. I mainly do it though because if I just 3bet to say..3K he can flat and I'm OOP for the rest of the hand. Hand 2 - We might be well ahead but that doesn't mean getting it in is the right move unless there's enough in the pot to happily take down not wanting to go to showdown or that he calls with a lot worse. What's your thinking? I reckon he'll call with plenty worse here...either out of spite or simply because he doesn't take us for a hand as big as JJ p.s. MUCH happier getting it in in situation 2 than situation 1 as the odds of us being well ahead in situation 2 are much larger IMO> Hand 1 - Why is he likely to call? Probably the most standard spot for a player, tight or not to have absolutely no hand at all raising an unopened pot on the button at this stage of the tournament. If you 3-bet to like 3k how often do you think he's flatting? Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: Simon Galloway on September 21, 2009, 04:44:53 PM I would:
1. Reraise to about 3800, he shouldn't be flatting that, call if he shoves 2. Perfect history to put them in 3. Fold. Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: titaniumbean on September 21, 2009, 04:45:46 PM hand 1, I get it in...but not that happy about it. hand 2..I fistpump and get it in...you're likely to be way ahead here. hand 3 is a clear fold for me Boldie few qns. Hand 1 - When you say get it in do you just straight up shove? If so, why? If not, how do u do it? I shove here. He's likely to call anyways and a massive overbet makes me look weaker than a pair of tens IMO. I mainly do it though because if I just 3bet to say..3K he can flat and I'm OOP for the rest of the hand. Hand 2 - We might be well ahead but that doesn't mean getting it in is the right move unless there's enough in the pot to happily take down not wanting to go to showdown or that he calls with a lot worse. What's your thinking? I reckon he'll call with plenty worse here...either out of spite or simply because he doesn't take us for a hand as big as JJ p.s. MUCH happier getting it in in situation 2 than situation 1 as the odds of us being well ahead in situation 2 are much larger IMO> Hand 1 - Why is he likely to call? Probably the most standard spot for a player, tight or not to have absolutely no hand at all raising an unopened pot on the button at this stage of the tournament. If you 3-bet to like 3k how often do you think he's flatting? I think when they make it this size they are raising or folding, so I dont see where TT gets us and what jamming accomplishes this deep. I'm also unsure about when the kjs hand is relative to bubble etc Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: boldie on September 21, 2009, 04:50:31 PM hand 1, I get it in...but not that happy about it. hand 2..I fistpump and get it in...you're likely to be way ahead here. hand 3 is a clear fold for me Boldie few qns. Hand 1 - When you say get it in do you just straight up shove? If so, why? If not, how do u do it? I shove here. He's likely to call anyways and a massive overbet makes me look weaker than a pair of tens IMO. I mainly do it though because if I just 3bet to say..3K he can flat and I'm OOP for the rest of the hand. Hand 2 - We might be well ahead but that doesn't mean getting it in is the right move unless there's enough in the pot to happily take down not wanting to go to showdown or that he calls with a lot worse. What's your thinking? I reckon he'll call with plenty worse here...either out of spite or simply because he doesn't take us for a hand as big as JJ p.s. MUCH happier getting it in in situation 2 than situation 1 as the odds of us being well ahead in situation 2 are much larger IMO> Hand 1 - Why is he likely to call? Probably the most standard spot for a player, tight or not to have absolutely no hand at all raising an unopened pot on the button at this stage of the tournament. If you 3-bet to like 3k how often do you think he's flatting? Yeah you could have a point here but I reckon that if he does have something he is more likely to call a ridic overbet than he is to shove over the top fo a 3bet . IE; he has 66-99 and AJ and thinks "I'm short now so this is it" rather than shoving over the 3bet which he might not do with those hands. (obv I'm happy to race and only fear JJ + pairs for when he calls) Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: titaniumbean on September 21, 2009, 04:54:35 PM the guy has 30 bets on the button.
and blatch said he has a tight image, if we want to get it in I want to 3bet call it off not shove. Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: Blatch on September 21, 2009, 04:55:34 PM Seems pretty agreed with the hands then.
Hand 1 I 3 bet to 3750 and he went to flat. I told him not to flat for half his stack and either shove or fold, he thought and then shoved. Showed QQ. Hand 2 - I shove, naturally he has AA Hand 3 - I call, probably should have folded and made sure I was first in pot. Obviously he has Kc Jc and flops a flush, no sweat Bink Bink MFkin Bink Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: GreekStein on September 21, 2009, 05:07:07 PM Seems pretty agreed with the hands then. Hand 1 I 3 bet to 3750 and he went to flat. I told him not to flat for half his stack and either shove or fold, he thought and then shoved. Showed QQ. Hand 2 - I shove, naturally he has AA Hand 3 - I call, probably should have folded and made sure I was first in pot. Obviously he has Kc Jc and flops a flush, no sweat Bink Bink MFkin Bink Wtf, did you not tell the dealer or the TD and explain that's not how Neil Blatchly does?! Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on September 21, 2009, 05:07:18 PM 1. 3500
2. Jam 3. Pass Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: EvilPie on September 21, 2009, 05:19:35 PM Pass
Pass Pass This may or may not be results orientated. Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: AndrewT on September 21, 2009, 05:29:35 PM Seems pretty agreed with the hands then. Hand 1 I 3 bet to 3750 and he went to flat. I told him not to flat for half his stack and either shove or fold, he thought and then shoved. Showed QQ. Hand 2 - I shove, naturally he has AA Hand 3 - I call, probably should have folded and made sure I was first in pot. Obviously he has Kc Jc and flops a flush, no sweat Bink Bink MFkin Bink WTF is all this - you're Neil Blatchley. The results should look like this... Raise = +3765 Call = +3765 Fold = +3765 ...so it doesn't matter what actually happened - you're losing your touch. Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: GreekStein on September 21, 2009, 05:31:40 PM Seems pretty agreed with the hands then. Hand 1 I 3 bet to 3750 and he went to flat. I told him not to flat for half his stack and either shove or fold, he thought and then shoved. Showed QQ. Hand 2 - I shove, naturally he has AA Hand 3 - I call, probably should have folded and made sure I was first in pot. Obviously he has Kc Jc and flops a flush, no sweat Bink Bink MFkin Bink WTF is all this - you're Neil Blatchley. The results should look like this... Raise = +3765 Call = +3765 Fold = +3765 ...so it doesn't matter what actually happened - you're losing your touch. Shrewdies thread, now this. You are on fine form today sir! Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: MANTIS01 on September 21, 2009, 05:33:32 PM Not sure about hand 1 and the merits of 3-betting 1/3 of villain's stack. If we have a huge advantage over villain why do we take all the post flop play out of the hand and make the decisions so much easier for him....especially when we know he's unlikely to be raising light in this spot. Hand 2 jam. Hand 3 pass.
Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: George2Loose on September 21, 2009, 05:34:00 PM Seems pretty agreed with the hands then. Hand 1 I 3 bet to 3750 and he went to flat. I told him not to flat for half his stack and either shove or fold, he thought and then shoved. Showed QQ. Hand 2 - I shove, naturally he has AA Hand 3 - I call, probably should have folded and made sure I was first in pot. Obviously he has Kc Jc and flops a flush, no sweat Bink Bink MFkin Bink WTF is all this - you're Neil Blatchley. The results should look like this... Raise = +3765 Call = +3765 Fold = +3765 ...so it doesn't matter what actually happened - you're losing your touch. Shrewdies thread, now this. You are on fine form today sir! lol POTW already surely? (not yours Cos, AndrewT's) Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: mondatoo on September 21, 2009, 06:43:10 PM Seems pretty agreed with the hands then. Hand 1 I 3 bet to 3750 and he went to flat. I told him not to flat for half his stack and either shove or fold, he thought and then shoved. Showed QQ. Hand 2 - I shove, naturally he has AA Hand 3 - I call, probably should have folded and made sure I was first in pot. Obviously he has Kc Jc and flops a flush, no sweat Bink Bink MFkin Bink Loved this bit.Hand 2 standard ul hand 3 definite fold Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: MC on September 21, 2009, 06:58:40 PM Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: outragous76 on September 21, 2009, 08:20:43 PM +2 i dont even mind getting em in with KJdd with M=5 Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: AlexMartin on September 22, 2009, 01:20:51 AM call
jam fold Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: Horneris on September 22, 2009, 03:31:22 PM Seems pretty agreed with the hands then. Hand 1 I 3 bet to 3750 and he went to flat. I told him not to flat for half his stack and either shove or fold, he thought and then shoved. Showed QQ. Hand 2 - I shove, naturally he has AA Hand 3 - I call, probably should have folded and made sure I was first in pot. Obviously he has Kc Jc and flops a flush, no sweat Bink Bink MFkin Bink WTF is all this - you're Neil Blatchley. The results should look like this... Raise = +3765 Call = +3765 Fold = +3765 ...so it doesn't matter what actually happened - you're losing your touch. hahhahahahhaa. Title: Re: Comps with a Huge Edge on the field Post by: the sicilian on September 22, 2009, 04:28:47 PM Just about perfect imo |