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Title: could i have got away from this?
Post by: yorky34 on September 22, 2009, 04:40:04 PM
 i have  8h 6c in bb  stack of 10k blinds  200/400 , 2people limp in i raise  to 1200 one caller 1 of button , flop comes down  Jh 8s 2c, i bet 1200 guy flat calls  turn brings an 8 i check he checks  river a  Td he puts me all another i bet 3 k  he puts me all in another 5k i call he got  9d 8s could i ahve got away from this did i play it wrong?


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: yorky34 on September 22, 2009, 04:43:13 PM
 8d 9d he had


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: BulldozerD on September 22, 2009, 04:48:56 PM
yes you played it strangely - tbh i can't follow exactly what you did and why, thoughts on why you decided to raise and why your raise was so small

once you hit trip 8s in that spot with 20bbs in an inflated pot then don't sweat it


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: yorky34 on September 22, 2009, 04:55:56 PM
yeah sorry i my descriptions are not very good, i raised cos i knew one of the limpers would fold if didnt have anything  and the other guy is a complete numpty  and new could out play him on flop  had seen him call an all in  for 4k with 69 v  a j,  i only raised 3 times cos it had been getting through on the table


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: boldie on September 22, 2009, 04:56:52 PM
To Raise Pre is fine (though with 2 limpers you could bump it up to 1500).

The flop doesn't make sense..should be more than 1200.


C*ck...didn't notice you were in the BB assumed you were in late position.

Why raise pre???????????????? It's all wrong now.


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: TheChipPrince on September 22, 2009, 04:59:44 PM
Chop it up, split pot...

Raise pre causes you all sorts of problems, check it all day long...


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: yorky34 on September 22, 2009, 05:04:58 PM
To Raise Pre is fine (though with 2 limpers you could bump it up to 1500).

The flop doesn't make sense..should be more than 1200.


C*ck...didn't notice you were in the BB assumed you were in late position.

Why raise pre???????????????? It's all wrong now.

the bet of 1200 on the flop was  just to try and find out wheer i was with out puttin to much of the rest of my 9 k stack in if he had come over top would have folded, when he calls i am thinking maybe 10 jack queen jack


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: yorky34 on September 22, 2009, 05:06:40 PM
Chop it up, split pot...

Raise pre causes you all sorts of problems, check it all day long...

if i check it will the hand not play out same way once we both hit trips unless he puts big bet in with middle pair which is unlikley


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: gatso on September 22, 2009, 05:12:40 PM
don't understand why you played it like that. don't understand why you want to get away from a pot that you didn't lose. don't understand anything


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: yorky34 on September 22, 2009, 05:17:14 PM
sorry i made a complete mess of post the river cant of been a ten cos is 9 kicker  played and i was out , duh  sorry lol


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: boldie on September 22, 2009, 05:20:48 PM
To Raise Pre is fine (though with 2 limpers you could bump it up to 1500).

The flop doesn't make sense..should be more than 1200.


C*ck...didn't notice you were in the BB assumed you were in late position.

Why raise pre???????????????? It's all wrong now.

the bet of 1200 on the flop was  just to try and find out wheer i was with out puttin to much of the rest of my 9 k stack in if he had come over top would have folded, when he calls i am thinking maybe 10 jack queen jack

Don't bet to find out where you are. Don't raise this pre unless you are willing to bluff your way out of it on the flop (which is not always a good idea as you'll often bluff all your chippies away) by representing a big pair. 1200 does nothing. Stick to your story..you say pre "I have a big hand"...Tell him on the flop "I still have a big hand"
On the turn you actually hit a big hand so you'll never get away from it after hitting your magic 8..but your pre-flop raise is a fairly bad idea and the bet on the flop is too small (The 2 don't add up...you could also have check raised him on the flop which I would have preffered over leading out for just 1200)



Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: booder on September 22, 2009, 05:22:23 PM
yeah sorry i my descriptions are not very good, i raised cos i knew one of the limpers would fold if didnt have anything  and the other guy is a complete numpty  and new could out play him on flop  had seen him call an all in  for 4k with 69 v  a j,  i only raised 3 times cos it had been getting through on the table

you sure did


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: TightEnd on September 22, 2009, 05:23:55 PM
Sorry, I'm confused


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Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: boldie on September 22, 2009, 05:24:27 PM
yeah sorry i my descriptions are not very good, i raised cos i knew one of the limpers would fold if didnt have anything  and the other guy is a complete numpty  and new could out play him on flop  had seen him call an all in  for 4k with 69 v  a j,  i only raised 3 times cos it had been getting through on the table

you sure did

TBF, it's tricky to outplay someone when out of position.


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: yorky34 on September 22, 2009, 05:29:20 PM
yeah sorry i my descriptions are not very good, i raised cos i knew one of the limpers would fold if didnt have anything  and the other guy is a complete numpty  and new could out play him on flop  had seen him call an all in  for 4k with 69 v  a j,  i only raised 3 times cos it had been getting through on the table

you sure did
ha ha fair comment but i have played this guy alot and i usually get is chips , he was just haveing one of them nigths where was hitting everything   


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: Cf on September 22, 2009, 05:49:59 PM
Am I missing something or is this a chop?

If you raise pre then raise more. 1200 is ok if the pot is unopened, but as there's 2 limpers add a bit to it. 1800-2000. But generally I just wouldn't raise pre here. You'll often be called and you have to play OOP with a very marginal hand.


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: yorky34 on September 22, 2009, 06:41:58 PM
Am I missing something or is this a chop?

If you raise pre then raise more. 1200 is ok if the pot is unopened, but as there's 2 limpers add a bit to it. 1800-2000. But generally I just wouldn't raise pre here. You'll often be called and you have to play OOP with a very marginal hand.

no charles it wasnt a chop the river cant of been a  a ten cos  is 9 kicker played    and i was knocked  out i just meesed the post up .
 but yeah  i agree playing 86 of siut out of postion wasnt great but the hand would have probably had the same  conclusion if i had checked  , maybe a bigger bet of flop might have took it down.


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: AlexMartin on September 22, 2009, 08:41:30 PM
I dont care if ur ivey, isolating 68o out of position v multiple callers with 25bb is terrible.







Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: outragous76 on September 22, 2009, 10:41:44 PM
The answer to the question is no.


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: Royal Flush on September 22, 2009, 11:39:32 PM
Lots of missing words confused me somewhat but as far as i can tell we made a play on 2 limpers from OOP with a bad hand and a small raise, not the best idea.

I don't mind the flop lead size as long as we are 3bet smashing it in, obviously this was not the case, you flop like the near nuts after getting funky pre, don't start betting out to fold in these spots!



Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: maldini32 on September 23, 2009, 12:04:07 AM
This is one of the weirdest hh's ive ever read


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: GreekStein on September 23, 2009, 09:37:57 AM
:S



Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: titaniumbean on September 23, 2009, 12:50:37 PM
yeah sorry i my descriptions are not very good, i raised cos i knew one of the limpers would fold if didnt have anything  and the other guy is a complete numpty  and new could out play him on flop  had seen him call an all in  for 4k with 69 v  a j,  i only raised 3 times cos it had been getting through on the table

Dont raise pre, dont bet the flop once you hit mp. Dont try and bluff people who cant fold.


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: outragous76 on September 23, 2009, 01:15:19 PM
How do you want him to play the flop when he hits? Check call is a disaster.


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: titaniumbean on September 23, 2009, 01:35:20 PM
How do you want him to play the flop when he hits? Check call is a disaster.

I wouldn't be betting to fold once i'd raised. I would never really raise 86o here though.


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: Royal Flush on September 23, 2009, 10:14:02 PM
How do you want him to play the flop when he hits? Check call is a disaster.

b/3b ldo


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: AlexMartin on September 23, 2009, 11:47:33 PM
How do you want him to play the flop when he hits? Check call is a disaster.

oh to run that good


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: yorky34 on September 24, 2009, 02:57:05 AM
ok so we have established that my raise pre was probably  a mistake but would the end result still have been the same if i had checked ?? imo it probably would have panned out same way unless i checked the flop and  he put abig bet in!


Title: Re: could i have got away from this?
Post by: boldie on September 24, 2009, 11:19:46 AM
ok so we have established that my raise pre was probably  a mistake but would the end result still have been the same if i had checked ?? imo it probably would have panned out same way unless i checked the flop and  he put abig bet in!

That's results orientated thinking though. Don't look at what happened at the end of the hand. Eliminate the mistakes you make pre and on the flop.