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OK playing a live MTT at gala. Structure is fairly standard but with no antes. 8k starting stack ,30 min clock. 24ish left from a field of 30. Nowhere near the money.

My image- fairly looshish. I've had to show down a button open with 53 off after short shoved in the big blind. I have also been 4 bet shoved on a Q677 flop.

I have 7k at the start of the hand. Blinds are 200/400 going to 300/600 in just under 10 mins. I have just lost 7k of my stack as mentioned against said villian blind on blind two hands previous.

I look down at 55 in the cut off. Should I open?

Anyway I make it 1100. Villian 3 bets to 3300. He is quite an aggro player too but likes to peel a lot. Due to history, I believe his re raising range is quite wide: KJ+. A10+ 88+

It folds back round to me. I have 5900 more.

Should I:

a) fold
b) shove
c) Peel with the intention of shoving any flop with an Ace or a king???

a

There were 19 left.

still a

Should I fold pre?

I prefer to resteal with small pp's rather than open with your stack size... so I would open fold here, especially if this guy is loose and appears to be playing back at you, not many flops that are easy to play

No, hes not gonna be playing back at you light when you open from this stack, I doubt.

Just raise fold and dont do it again now obv.

OK I peeled and the flop came J63

Shove now?

I don't think I would open a hand with this stack and a loose image without already committing to it. With the range you have assigned villain I would shove pre as that decision is easier than any flop one imo. Although this flop decision is pretty easy actually cos we have a lot of chips in there and we get the chance to do that Winston Churchill celebration thing with 5-5.

Did you see you peeled? Are you the worst player in the world ?

wat?


really?


we peeled to not shove this?

edit is villain on btn yeah?

i think open pushing is superior to open folding, sans reads.. on first glance it seems to be unexploitable so if my choice is between non-allin opening/folding/pushing, i'd do the latter. It stops them pushin it in with QJ/10Q etcetc if you make a standard raise.

check call > open shove

I shoved obv

He had KK obv

I went out obv

BTW this wasn't me- it was AutobetKev- we had a huge argument about how he played the hand.

You was or was not in this hand?

Was not.

I was at the table.

I rang him afterwards to say he was a spewtard. He told me that he played the hand perfectly based on the player (he plays there a lot more than me)

We exchanged words! lol

he has 3600 more with a pot of over 7k, this is not the time to try and worry about maximising your c/ev. Pushing here gets two overs to fold sometimes getting almost 3/1, which is a result $evwise, and any hand you lose to, you call when you check anyways. open shoving is defo better then c/c in this spot, although the fact that you get urself in this spot in the first place is likely the thing you would want to look at before anything else.

OK, it was me that played the hand that George has described.

Firstly, are you advocating that I should have folded 5s pre flop from the cut off on a 7 handed table, with 6800 and the blinds about to go up to 300/600?

Secondly, once raised, I obviously had 3 choices, and I decided that I had just about enough FE to stop and go (lets try not to be results orientated, as we now know the villain had KK, lol). I had decided he had 2 big cards, therefore the flop wasn't a bad one for me to get him off his overs....

I think the line I would take is as follows:

Raise/fold

Shove

Fold pre

Phew, I was hoping it wasn't you that played this hand.

i c y.  ty.

Fold pre.

Stop and go doesn't work here because once he 3-bets you pre he shoves 95% of flops.

I'm fine with the open pre but no matter what your perceived image of him is, live players just don't 3-bet wide enough pre to consider shoving (or anything else) here. Fold.

i fold to the 3 bet most of the time, 4 bet shove occasionally depending on history & wouldn't call/attempt a stop'n'go with so little behind.
5700 is still ok to get busy with in these fast paced events altho i'd prob be open shoving from here on in.

I'm only fine with the open if we are committed to this pair, although I prefer what Totalise said about open shoving being better. I think it's generally a poor mentality to get all wishy washy playing a small stack and think you can open and then fold into some better life as an even smaller stack. I don't agree that 'live' players 3-bet tight in this situation. Last time hero opened from late pos villain saw him table 3-5 and the last hand vs this villain hero 4-bet folded with half his stack out there. Hero looks like he opens light, will fold under pressure, and could be tilting. Guess what, hero is opening light and is vulnerable to pressure if he hasn't already committed to the hand he's decided to play. I don't like peeling one bit.

I hate raise/folding with <20bbs, especially when the blinds are gonna increase quite heavily by the next time we see the button.

Stop and go doesnt fold out anything that had us beat pre.......

I pretty much fold pre every time here. Only other option for me is to push pre, but not keen on that.

This.

So sick i just agreed with a 'live player'!!

Errrm that's usually the case

Yes

If players behind are tight you can open shove 55. If not, you can't.

Raising then flatting the 3 bet is sado-masochism. Raising then shoving is self-destructive behaviour.