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Title: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: david3103 on September 30, 2009, 10:46:50 AM $2rb on Betfair - the other two are comparative unknowns, but have obviously accumulated some chips so far...
Table 1 9-max (Real Money) Seat 6 is the button Total number of active players : 6 Seat 1: nekit ( 30,629.50 ) Seat 2: ddomo ( 15,957.50 ) Seat 4: Perdoli ( 18,634.50 ) Seat 6: martos ( 10,905 ) Seat 7: galarobbo ( 36,212.50 ) Seat 9: david3103 ( 15,661 ) Tourney Level:7 Blinds(100/200-25 ante) nekit posts ante [25] ddomo posts ante [25] Perdoli posts ante [25] martos posts ante [25] galarobbo posts ante [25] david3103 posts ante [25] galarobbo posts small blind [100] david3103 posts big blind [200] ** Dealing down cards ** Dealt to david3103 [ As, 4s ] nekit folds ddomo raises to [400] Perdoli folds martos calls [400] galarobbo folds david3103 calls [200] ....................... The betting stops with me and it's an extra 200... is this ok? ** Dealing Flop ** [ Kh, 3s, Ts ] david3103 checks ddomo bets [1,450] martos goes all-in martos raises to [10,480] Me............ call? Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: GreekStein on September 30, 2009, 10:48:34 AM Pass mate.
Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: BulldozerD on September 30, 2009, 11:14:18 AM easy pass with so much play left
Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: TightEnd on September 30, 2009, 11:16:53 AM six players left?
Pass this deep. Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: EvilPie on September 30, 2009, 11:17:00 AM Looks like 6 players left from the HH.
Perhaps it's just me but I like the shove here. If our A is live we're in a good spot equity wise. If not we just need to bink and we're in with a good shot at taking it down. Call pre is fine if you plan on getting it in on this kind of flop. If not then you should pass. Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: GreekStein on September 30, 2009, 11:21:23 AM Looks like 6 players left from the HH. Perhaps it's just me but I like the shove here. If our A is live we're in a good spot equity wise. If not we just need to bink and we're in with a good shot at taking it down. Call pre is fine if you plan on getting it in on this kind of flop. If not then you should pass. This isn't a cash game though so equity shouldn't be our first concern. We can't risk the bulk/all of our stack on a flush draw and one over that may or may not be good with 75 bigs. Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: EvilPie on September 30, 2009, 11:39:58 AM Looks like 6 players left from the HH. Perhaps it's just me but I like the shove here. If our A is live we're in a good spot equity wise. If not we just need to bink and we're in with a good shot at taking it down. Call pre is fine if you plan on getting it in on this kind of flop. If not then you should pass. This isn't a cash game though so equity shouldn't be our first concern. We can't risk the bulk/all of our stack on a flush draw and one over that may or may not be good with 75 bigs. Hmmmm. Thought we weren't quite so deep. Had blinds at 400. Pass pre then. Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: GreekStein on September 30, 2009, 11:52:06 AM Looks like 6 players left from the HH. Perhaps it's just me but I like the shove here. If our A is live we're in a good spot equity wise. If not we just need to bink and we're in with a good shot at taking it down. Call pre is fine if you plan on getting it in on this kind of flop. If not then you should pass. This isn't a cash game though so equity shouldn't be our first concern. We can't risk the bulk/all of our stack on a flush draw and one over that may or may not be good with 75 bigs. Hmmmm. Thought we weren't quite so deep. Had blinds at 400. Pass pre then. 200 into 1300 this deep and a small suited ace, I'm calling every time. Is this a leak? Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: david3103 on September 30, 2009, 11:58:25 AM Looks like 6 players left from the HH. Perhaps it's just me but I like the shove here. If our A is live we're in a good spot equity wise. If not we just need to bink and we're in with a good shot at taking it down. Call pre is fine if you plan on getting it in on this kind of flop. If not then you should pass. This isn't a cash game though so equity shouldn't be our first concern. We can't risk the bulk/all of our stack on a flush draw and one over that may or may not be good with 75 bigs. Hmmmm. Thought we weren't quite so deep. Had blinds at 400. Pass pre then. 200 into 1300 this deep and a small suited ace, I'm calling every time. Is this a leak? I was just about to ask the same question... Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: TightEnd on September 30, 2009, 12:05:54 PM If its not a leak, and I don't think it is at the odds offered...then we have to be prepared to get it in on more flops than A4x or 44x only don't we?
Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: BulldozerD on September 30, 2009, 12:09:20 PM If its not a leak, and I don't think it is at the odds offered...then we have to be prepared to get it in on more flops than A4x or 44x only don't we? we probably would have done on this flop had it not gone check, bet, reraise all in Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: TightEnd on September 30, 2009, 12:11:14 PM If its not a leak, and I don't think it is at the odds offered...then we have to be prepared to get it in on more flops than A4x or 44x only don't we? we probably would have done on this flop had it not gone check, bet, reraise all in understood c/raise or c/call maybe but not once it's taken off behind you Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: EvilPie on September 30, 2009, 12:14:44 PM Looks like 6 players left from the HH. Perhaps it's just me but I like the shove here. If our A is live we're in a good spot equity wise. If not we just need to bink and we're in with a good shot at taking it down. Call pre is fine if you plan on getting it in on this kind of flop. If not then you should pass. This isn't a cash game though so equity shouldn't be our first concern. We can't risk the bulk/all of our stack on a flush draw and one over that may or may not be good with 75 bigs. Hmmmm. Thought we weren't quite so deep. Had blinds at 400. Pass pre then. 200 into 1300 this deep and a small suited ace, I'm calling every time. Is this a leak? Not really a leak I don't think and I make the call myself. However I make the call with the intention of getting all my chips in if I make a nut flush draw. This is obviously different because I usually want to get my chips in first with some FE but I still like to call here. Martos' bet here stinks of a draw. He can easily have JQ here possibly spades so we've go him crushed. Yes he could have made 2 pair or a set but if he has then good luck we need to hit. If he's just got a pair then our A is hopefully live. Ddomos could've hit hard following his min raise pre but if that's the case we've got 40k+ in the middle and we're very much live with our draw. Worse case is DD with a big made hand and Martos on a flush draw. If that is the case we're fooked but he needs a very strong hand to call the shove / reshove. AK possibly wouldn't be enough, I think he needs AA or a set. Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: GreekStein on September 30, 2009, 12:23:32 PM I don't mind calling a bet once we flop the nut flush draw or getting it in as the aggressor but I think calling it off here is a big mistake and too aggro for a tournament.
Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: Cf on September 30, 2009, 12:33:03 PM Preflop is fine.
Why would we ever call that flop shove? Costing us 10.5k to win ~13.5k. IF the other guy comes along for the ride we're playing for about ~40k, costing us 15k to win it. But this is a big if. And if he does have a set in this spot then we are not getting the price to call. Easy fold for me. Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: action man on September 30, 2009, 12:40:55 PM preflop call is the best
postflop fold is the best Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: david3103 on September 30, 2009, 01:59:11 PM I passed, and eventually lost HU to ddomo
If martos folds leaving me to act against ddomo's pot-sized bet do we call / fold / shove? Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: marcin123 on September 30, 2009, 02:45:28 PM foldddddddddd
Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: outragous76 on September 30, 2009, 02:49:06 PM How is everyone so deep 6 left? Dont get it? As for the play, i dont mind the iso jam either.
Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: david3103 on September 30, 2009, 03:08:18 PM How is everyone so deep 6 left? Dont get it? As for the play, i dont mind the iso jam either. £2 rb $100gtd Structure is pretty slow and there's a 4,000 chip add-on at the first break ($2 initial=2,000 chips). Typically between 20-25 runners and prize pool reaches c$150. After the break blinds start at 150/300 and rise pretty slow. Mind you, today was exceptional in that it was finished an hour ahead of average. Title: Re: 5 left, 3 paid, call shove with nut flush draw? Post by: titaniumbean on September 30, 2009, 03:22:31 PM preflop call is the best postflop fold is the best |