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Title: Tories and Gambling
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 01, 2009, 10:30:00 AM
Its looking pretty good for the Tories in the election at the mo, any idea what their general stance on gambling/online gambling is? I'm sure if you asked David Cameron right now he would say he would love it, good for the economy etc but my gut tells me they will have a much more archaic approach if and when they get in.


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: Claw75 on October 01, 2009, 10:37:01 AM
Don't know about online - I'm well out of touch with politics these days. Was it not the tories though that scuppered the plans for the super-casinos a couple of years ago?


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: Jon MW on October 01, 2009, 10:38:14 AM
Don't know about online - I'm well out of touch with politics these days. Was it not the tories though that scuppered the plans for the super-casinos a couple of years ago?

They opposed it but that's what the Official Opposition are meant to do.

I don't think they scuppered it though - I think it was just a Labour U Turn


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: Ironside on October 01, 2009, 10:38:38 AM
Don't know about online - I'm well out of touch with politics these days. Was it not the tories though that scuppered the plans for the super-casinos a couple of years ago?

no it was GB when he took over from TB


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: kinboshi on October 01, 2009, 10:54:00 AM
Is there any difference between the tories and labour at the moment?  I doubt they're miles apart on this issue to be honest.


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: doubleup on October 01, 2009, 11:04:23 AM
Don't know about online - I'm well out of touch with politics these days. Was it not the tories though that scuppered the plans for the super-casinos a couple of years ago?

They opposed it but that's what the Official Opposition are meant to do.

I don't think they scuppered it though - I think it was just a Labour U Turn

No it was unelected do-gooders in the Lords that scuppered it (it needed an statutory instrument) - then Gordon Brown went all meh about it.  The Tories could have blocked the Gambling Act as it was running out of time before the last election but agreed to let it through (with the super casinos cut from 8 to 1), so its unlikely that they will make any changes imo.



Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: boldie on October 01, 2009, 12:20:32 PM
I doubt they're miles apart on this issue to be honest.


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: Dale on October 01, 2009, 02:09:34 PM
more worried about them taxing pro gamblers than anything else


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: EvilPie on October 01, 2009, 03:55:19 PM
I've completely lost track of everything to do with politics since they canned spitting image.

That was the greatest educational program ever.

How many people now actually recognise politicians? Back then I could name them all.


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: bolt pp on October 01, 2009, 04:25:53 PM
anything but labour at the moment pls


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: Dale on October 01, 2009, 04:27:20 PM
If any of the politicians had an ounce of personality they would bring back spitting image. But a show mocking a bunch of boring old farts would suck pretty badly, so they dont.


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: gatso on October 01, 2009, 05:23:35 PM
I've completely lost track of everything to do with politics since they canned spitting image.

That was the greatest educational program ever.

How many people now actually recognise politicians? Back then I could name them all.

very much this

I reckon from the current cabinet I could recognise brown and darling. I'm actually struggling to name any others let alone know what they look like


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: Karabiner on October 01, 2009, 06:11:47 PM
I thought that Brown's speech at the Labour Conference yesterday was very impressive in both delivery and content.

It reminded me of a test batsman on a run of low scores who knows that he must have a big innings or be dropped.

I thought he passed the test with flying colours and feel that he could possibly turn public opinion around as Cameron comes across to me as rather glib and shallow by comparison to Brown's apparent sincerity and dedication to the cause.

I also thought that Vince Cable came across very well indeed in his keynote speech a week or so back but it seems as though the Lib-Dem supporters bottle it when it comes to actually voting and vote for one of the other two at the polls.


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: Claw75 on October 01, 2009, 06:12:07 PM
I've completely lost track of everything to do with politics since they canned spitting image.

That was the greatest educational program ever.

How many people now actually recognise politicians? Back then I could name them all.

very much this

I reckon from the current cabinet I could recognise brown and darling. I'm actually struggling to name any others let alone know what they look like

balls and milliband too, surely?

I'd struggle to recognise anyone in the shadow cabinet nowadays.


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: gatso on October 01, 2009, 06:13:46 PM
I've completely lost track of everything to do with politics since they canned spitting image.

That was the greatest educational program ever.

How many people now actually recognise politicians? Back then I could name them all.

very much this

I reckon from the current cabinet I could recognise brown and darling. I'm actually struggling to name any others let alone know what they look like

balls and milliband too, surely?

I'd struggle to recognise anyone in the shadow cabinet nowadays.

there's someone in the cabinet called balls? lol

no idea what milliband looks like. is he not a tory?


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: Claw75 on October 01, 2009, 06:14:16 PM

I also thought that Vince Cable came across very well indeed in his keynote speech a week or so back but it seems as though the Lib-Dem supporters bottle it when it comes to actually voting and vote for one of the other two at the polls.

only party I could/would vote for in a general election at the moment. always feels like a bit of a wasted vote though tbh.


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: Ironside on October 01, 2009, 06:17:19 PM
come on everyone knows what mandy looks like


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: Claw75 on October 01, 2009, 06:18:28 PM
I've completely lost track of everything to do with politics since they canned spitting image.

That was the greatest educational program ever.

How many people now actually recognise politicians? Back then I could name them all.

very much this

I reckon from the current cabinet I could recognise brown and darling. I'm actually struggling to name any others let alone know what they look like

balls and milliband too, surely?

I'd struggle to recognise anyone in the shadow cabinet nowadays.

there's someone in the cabinet called balls? lol

no idea what milliband looks like. is he not a tory?

New Labour Tory rather than Conservative Tory:

(http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00371/RSNF1318I_280_371743a.jpg)

Ed Balls:

(http://nickgilmartin.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/ed-balls.jpg)


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: Claw75 on October 01, 2009, 06:19:59 PM
Saw a bit of conference on the telly box last night. Eddie Izzard was there to present some award or another and asked Ed if he'd considered changing his name 'to Steve Balls, or something' :D


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: StuartHopkin on October 01, 2009, 06:33:24 PM
I thought that Brown's speech at the Labour Conference yesterday was very impressive in both delivery and content.

It reminded me of a test batsman on a run of low scores who knows that he must have a big innings or be dropped.

I thought he passed the test with flying colours and feel that he could possibly turn public opinion around as Cameron comes across to me as rather glib and shallow by comparison to Brown's apparent sincerity and dedication to the cause.

I also thought that Vince Cable came across very well indeed in his keynote speech a week or so back but it seems as though the Lib-Dem supporters bottle it when it comes to actually voting and vote for one of the other two at the polls.

Dont think I agree on the Brown thing, looked to me more like a man who was kidding himself. Definately agree on the Lib-Dem thing, if i could be bothered to vote, it would be for them. They deserve a chance as at least they dare to think differently to the increasing bland blurred line between Labour/Conservatives.


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: bobAlike on October 01, 2009, 06:59:02 PM
anything but labour at the moment pls

This


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: kinboshi on October 01, 2009, 07:01:08 PM
I thought that Brown's speech at the Labour Conference yesterday was very impressive in both delivery and content.

It reminded me of a test batsman on a run of low scores who knows that he must have a big innings or be dropped.

I thought he passed the test with flying colours and feel that he could possibly turn public opinion around as Cameron comes across to me as rather glib and shallow by comparison to Brown's apparent sincerity and dedication to the cause.

I also thought that Vince Cable came across very well indeed in his keynote speech a week or so back but it seems as though the Lib-Dem supporters bottle it when it comes to actually voting and vote for one of the other two at the polls.

Dont think I agree on the Brown thing, looked to me more like a man who was kidding himself. Definately agree on the Lib-Dem thing, if i could be bothered to vote, it would be for them. They deserve a chance as at least they dare to think differently to the increasing bland blurred line between Labour/Conservatives.

But surely the lib-dems can come out with whatever policies they want as they know they aren't going to be elected.

But yes, they are the most appealing party for me as well.


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: typhoon13 on October 01, 2009, 09:39:58 PM
Need the tories in so they can get rid of the hunting ban.
Feel they will leave gambling alone.


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: Wingdings2 on October 01, 2009, 10:45:49 PM
The Lib Dems would have a fighting chance if Vince Cable was leader.


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: Jon MW on October 01, 2009, 10:47:19 PM
The Lib Dems would have a fighting chance if Vince Cable was leader.

No, they wouldn't.


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: gatso on October 01, 2009, 10:48:10 PM
Need the tories in so they can get rid of the hunting ban.
Feel they will leave gambling alone.

do you not feel there are slightly more important issues on which to decide which way you vote than the hunting ban?


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: sledge13 on October 01, 2009, 10:48:42 PM
The Bnp are offering 89% rakeback to all Uk Poker players....


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: typhoon13 on October 01, 2009, 10:57:42 PM
Need the tories in so they can get rid of the hunting ban.
Feel they will leave gambling alone.

do you not feel there are slightly more important issues on which to decide which way you vote than the hunting ban?

Nothing more important.
No party can save the massive untold shite that we are in.


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: kinboshi on October 02, 2009, 01:37:48 AM
Need the tories in so they can get rid of the hunting ban.
Feel they will leave gambling alone.

do you not feel there are slightly more important issues on which to decide which way you vote than the hunting ban?

Nothing more important.
No party can save the massive untold shite that we are in.

NHS >>>>>>>> hunting ban

(Imo of course)


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: Longy on October 02, 2009, 01:41:56 AM
A politics arguement on a poker forum, with most people feeling apathetic who would I have thought???????

Will probs vote Labour again, though I will probably voting with what does me best, more than what I belive in, next time around,



Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: AlexMartin on October 02, 2009, 01:55:07 AM
who cares as long as they dont tax us



Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: Claw75 on October 02, 2009, 09:25:20 AM
Need the tories in so they can get rid of the hunting ban.
Feel they will leave gambling alone.

do you not feel there are slightly more important issues on which to decide which way you vote than the hunting ban?

Nothing more important.
No party can save the massive untold shite that we are in.

NHS >>>>>>>> hunting ban

(Imo of course)

NHS>>>>>>Education>>>>>>>100 other things>>>>>>>hunting ban

That said, I'm pretty apathetic about hunting as whether it's allowed or not has no direct effect on my suburban life. Presumably Typhoon has been somehow personally disadvantaged by the ban.


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: kinboshi on October 02, 2009, 09:43:15 AM
Need the tories in so they can get rid of the hunting ban.
Feel they will leave gambling alone.

do you not feel there are slightly more important issues on which to decide which way you vote than the hunting ban?

Nothing more important.
No party can save the massive untold shite that we are in.

NHS >>>>>>>> hunting ban

(Imo of course)

NHS>>>>>>Education>>>>>>>100 other things>>>>>>>hunting ban

That said, I'm pretty apathetic about hunting as whether it's allowed or not has no direct effect on my suburban life. Presumably Typhoon has been somehow personally disadvantaged by the ban.

I didn't see the countryside alliance (or whatever they're called) coming out in support of the miners when the mines and the economies surrounding them were devastated in the 80s.  At the end of the day as Longy said, people will vote for the party whose policies directly affect them the most.


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: maxward on October 20, 2009, 11:09:35 PM
I know local councillors and party representatives who have support for the 'Super Casino' project coming back.

I would not expect much change to the tax structure either, it will be way down the line of priorities and the broader perception seems to be there is little to no value in funds generated anyway vs administrative burden.


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: Ironside on October 20, 2009, 11:43:49 PM
The Bnp are offering 89% rakeback to all Uk Poker players....


they could be offering 250% rb and they still wouldnt get my vote


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: ScottMGee on October 20, 2009, 11:45:13 PM
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NHS>>>>>>Education>>>>>>>100 other things>>>>>>>hunting ban

true, but then why did Labour spend so much time banning hunting as opposed to dealing with other matters


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: maxward on October 20, 2009, 11:50:15 PM
manifesto promise to differentiate from tories toff rich gypsy land owner policy of supporting torture of animals
as usual the headline policy wins over any will to acheive substance


Title: Re: Tories and Gambling
Post by: ScottMGee on October 21, 2009, 12:43:14 AM
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manifesto promise to differentiate from tories toff rich gypsy land owner policy of supporting torture of animals
as usual the headline policy wins over any will to acheive substance

banning hunting was about the only manfesto commitment they kept though