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Playing level 3 of the DTD 321.

So far have shown aces twice and been called by top pair (9) ten kicker which was good.

Blinds 75/150

EP Old boy raises to 550, im in C/O and flat with 22 and button flats.

Flop 6,5,2 Rainbow

Old boy bets 1500, I flat, button goes to raise and flats.

Q on turn, old boy checks, I lead for 2575, button ships for 4k more, old boy folds.

What do we think to the play to here and do we call the end? What do we have him on?

Villain hasnt shown anything out of line and hasnt played that many pots.

Your post suggests that it is only 1.5k more to call - so its a snap call here, you have outs is he has the 34 and its just a cooler if he has the over set.

To be honest - i dont think I am folding bottom set here. Although he is unlikely to have raised any of the hands that beat you pre, you just cant fold. To be honest, although I dont call quite so quickly, i dont fold if it is 4k more either.

Obv call, obv play the same, obv sigh at his pocket fives.

sorry its now edited to read 4k MORE

I prob still call here and chalk it up.

I assume that your starting stack was circa 10k. Im not sure that hero folding hero is that beneficial. With your remaining stack you  would only be 1 double up from being in the same position as folding. Just call/lose and play super ninja for a few orbits.

Oh right, 4k more. Definitely fold then..

Not sure its a def fold. Nothing to suggest that he doesnt have the 2pr (56). Q doesnt change anything and he has seen enough action.

LOL Rooks is levelling I think

Do we agree his range has to be: -

55, 66, 56, 34

Therefore im beating 3 and losing to 4?

I suppose he may be in there with a few over pairs but I doubt he would be.

Yeah definate hint of sarcasm in the post

tyty

Are 34 and 56 really in his range?

Does he flat on the button for 550 with either of these hands?

If he does then just pass and take his chips later because he's a muppet.

maybe if there Soooooooooooooooooooooooooted

I dont know stacks but calling with these hands on the button is fine. imo

Approx 10k stacks and you like a 550 call with 34 or 56 at the 75/150 level?

Nice.

Up it to 20k or so and blinds at 100/200 + 25 and it's not too bad but here it would be really bad.

To be honest mate I can't find a pass here.

Too many players in this comp will get it in here with an over pair.

When I say over pair I mean to the flop. Nobody's going to be scared of the Q so 88 through to JJ can be included in his range.

If you lose it's just cold. Go to the cash tables an win mad onez there instead.

Evil - you must have played these? People call with that kind of garbage every hand. The last one of the 300's I played it was 3 & 4 players to every flop up to 100/200. Those cards are 100% part of villains holdings along with 88-JJ AQ KQs 47 76

We simply don't know enough about villian to ever narrow his range to these hands. Yeah his line is strong, but people play bad and overplay hands they shouldn't, we has a set I am not folding ever this deep.

In fact if you don't think you are going to get action unless you are beat in these spots, should we be calling pre?

If only

Spot on.

Of course!!

Obviously ive called to go set mining on the old boy knowing he probably wont fold.

Whats this guy flatting with on the flop knowing that I know the old boy has an overpair?

I refer you to my previous post, that people play bad and you don't enough about the button to put him on a range that has us crushed.

So his range is effectively atc?

That means that whenever he makes a strong play we automatically make the stone cold nuts part of his range?

That's going to make the game very difficult.

If there is a talking point in this hand it's hero's turn bet. Why did you bet the turn Blatch? I mean it's very unlikely the result of this hand is going to change from turn to river. So is the bet to scare away 7-8, or is the bet for info to find out where you stand? Both would be bollox reasons to bet imo. And you're not betting to bluff. The information about button going to raise and then flatting is already banked so even thou you know he's strong enough you still bet. So why did you bet? The only reason you bet was to get chips into the pot. So having successfully got your wish there is abs no decision to be made here imo. The reason you flat the flop is to disguise your hand and prompt a spaz from someone. Hey presto. On this dry board you can possibly check the turn if you fear button but once you decide to bet you commit imo and all this talk about you can now fold because he knows you know something etc is stoopid.

what a great post. clear and logical.

i cant even think about folding in this spot

Erm what are stack sizes? I'd muckducks pre tbh.

Why do we know the old guy has an overpair? Could also have high cards that have missed but he's cbetting the flop?

Old guy bet the flop, but then checked the turn. If he had the overpair he'd probably fire again seeing how he has 2 interested parties and a nice sized pot, I doubt he'd be checking it.

So his check leads us to believe he's probably not too interested in this pot anymore. The button sees this and then sees you fire a bet out. Well, you've just seen what he's seen, you might just be taking a stab yourself at this point. If he has an overpair himself he probably thinks it's good at this point. He could even be semi-bluffing with a straight draw, or have caught that Q.

I don't think his range is ever narrow enough here for us to be passing. I'd need to be playing against Anthony Kendell to even think about it.

Agree with this post. You're never betting to bluff here, but once you have and villain has spazzed, call and say unlucky to your opponent.

Makes sense

im calling all day long, and if he does have a set then its just a cooler, never mind, and you still have a nice drawing hand, one out is plenty, if u run like me anyways.

also, may i ask the thinking about flatting behind on flop?is the old guy likely to spaz out and bluff turn and river?is the buttong likely to spaz out stack off on 1 pair? the reason you have flatted the flop is to have somebody put their stack in on the turn, surely when this has happened you are now folding after slowplaying/disguising ur hand on the flop

I think stack size is pretty important here, how deep where the other players? I guess your stack is larger than 10k after winning two showdown pots with Aces, so if the Old Boy has 10k+ then I like the preflop call, I think it's a standard position to setmine for me. When the Villain flats behind you his stack is approx 8625, "Villain hasnt shown anything out of line and hasnt played that many pots." Feels more like JJ/TT (and sometimes AKo/99) and isn't sure what to do and wants to play a pot with position.  Old boys raise EP could be scary and with your call he could even have reasons to flat QQ here.

On the Flop I like the call, you are giving the EP raiser a chance to bet again on the turn and also giving the chance to get a third stack in the pot which may well win you a gigantic pot. On the turn the lead is mandatory I think, your flop play set this up (hopefully with the intention of getting it in on the river) and the villain shoves with no real fold equity so he ain't bluffing.  It's possible he's doing it with a hand like 78s  (depending on turn suit) where he feels a shove is better than calling this is unlikely and player dependant though.  I feel you can't really pass, if he's got then good beats, I don't think your intentions were to bet/fold when you bet so call, I think he'll show you JJ etc enough of the time (and some people could be "Tricky Bastards" with AA here!) to warrant it.
 

Call and river the case 2 to beat his 55 imo