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What an horse looked beaten a long way out. The best i've seen and never had a cracker on him.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/other_sports/horse_racing/8289630.stm

Backed Youmzain each way and happy with the result coz kinda wanted STS to win anyway.

had an absoloute nightmare first 1/4 mile but when did he look beat? he was hacking up with 3 to go

Early on when he got shuffled back and turning into straight looked trapped on rail with obrien horse keeping him in.

Best flat horse ever seen. Period.

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I love the way you guys get on  ;)

rotflmfao yeah, Karabiner is my biggest fan...well biggest something anyways.

This is just such a ridiculously pretentious thing to say apart from being groundless and inaccurate.

How many horses have won the 2000 Guineas, Derby AND Arc ?

Sigh, yes it is indeed pretentious to call a horse that has won everything in one season the greatest ever. He has achieved more than any 3YO has ever done. 1 Group one a month, and not against mugs but against seriously good horses. The Guinneas, the derby and The Eclipse (First since Nashwan) He hacked up in the Arc and the Irish Champion and took the International for good measure.

The handicapper is the only one that has him behind Dancing Brave (6 lbs) and that is widely considered to be ridiculous (He is equal on Racing Post ratings even though Dancing Brave never won the Derby). It is only because  Youmzain finished second behind him that they don't rate him higher..it's baffling and makes a mockery of the ratings. (not that anyone actually takes these ratings seriously..it's like the FIFA world rankings FFS)

Really how anyone can even claim that Sea The Stars is not the greatest is completely beyond me. How anyone can claim that anyone who says that is pretentious is "pretentious"...well..that's more something you say because you seem to have a personal problem with me rather than anything else

But I guess the below guys are pretentious as well.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/racing/article6860943.ece?openComment=true

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2009/oct/05/sea-the-stars-arc-greatest

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if he had greville starkey on him he wouldnt have won the derby....

meh, i'm undecided about greatest of all time tbh

what did surprise me was boldies very cogent post on the matter, turn out he knows something about horse racing, i'm surprised as anyone ::)

Well the guy from The Times says that Sea The Stars is the greatest "in his estimation" which excludes him from being pretentious as he is expanding on his opinion.

And the guy from The Guardian says that Sea The Stars "could be the greatest ever" which also excludes him from making a pretentious statement as he too is merely stating his opinion rather than passing judgment.

Whereas boldielocks simply says "Best flat horse ever seen. Period" which is monumentally  pretentious and judgmental in the extreme.

I would also say that this is a thoroughly inaccurate conclusion based on all known form and ratings imo although I do agree that the bare winning distances do not do the horse justice.

I would put him in the best two or three that i have seen in the last forty years but, and this is a big but, if his progeny were to go on to be champions and he is a big success in the paddocks he could then and only then be considered to be an all-time great.

And let me just point out boldielocks' propensity for making wildly inaccurate and pretentious statements by reminding everyone of the comment that he made about Venetia Williams last winter during the jumps season, which he claims to be his favourite form, so fair to assume his most researched form of racing.

He said that he thought that Venetia Williams was a rubbish trainer more suited to pulling up vegetables in a field than training horses and that the only reason she was still in business was because she had "got lucky" by having Best Mate in her yard.

Just to point out for those people who do not follow jump-racing that closely, Venetia Williams had her best-ever season in 2008/9 culminating in two winners at The Cheltenham Fesival and then training the winner of The Grand National. She also had absolutely nothing to do with Best Mate who was trained throughout his career by Henrietta Knight.

I rest my case.

ah..so every snotty comment you have made since the staking thing started, and that's just about every comment you made in reply to a post of mine in that period, was because I made a mistake by associating Venetia Williams with Best Mate (obv a mistake) and because I don't rate her as a trainer and you obviously do.

That explains everything, it doesn't mean you're a nasty little man at all...just that you have a little man-crush on Venetia (Fair enough) and I apologise for not thinking she's the beez knees.

And a horse can only be called great if his offspring is great? rotflmfao Judging the man by the achievements of his kids.

I'll ignore the flaming that you obviously feel the need to defend yourself with when your foolish statements come home to roost and just answer your last attempt at a sarcastic question which is actually surprisingly quite valid.

I reckon that most people who have really studied racing would say that Northern Dancer was the greatest racehorse of all time if asked to name one horse.

This would be as much for his exploits at stud where he is considered in a class of his own as his bloodlines continue to flourish and  produce champions several generations on, as for his record as a racehorse and winning the triple-crown in the USA.

There have been several triple-crown winners in the last fifty years but none has been anything remotely like as sucessful at stud and their names are all but forgotten although their bare  racetrack statistics would suggest that there would not be much between them .

Interesting thread in here if we could both stop throwing brickbats at each other fellas!

Don't want to delete the thread, don't want to edit it, but please..no more. Tyvm.

Northern Dancer, the one ranked nr43 on this list?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood-Horse_magazine_List_of_Top_100_Racehorses_of_the_20th_Century

You can't judge horses by their progeny..George Washington was quite clearly a superb racehorse but never produced any offspring. That does not mean he wasn't a great racehorse..just that he wasn't a great Sire. The two things are not the same...not even close.

Advantage boldie ...

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Seriously though .... Greatest footballer, cricketer, race horse ... its all subjective isn't it ?

Different training methods, more knowledge of diet supplements etc etc ... surely it is impossible to know for sure ?

Not for some people, for them it's a FACT!

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fck off, loses points for quoting wikipedia imo

it's not subjective, the IS a horse out there that is the greatest flat horse of all time, FACT, i'm not saying who that is but there is one.

This illustrates my point perfectly:

A horse rated #43 by wiki. would be considered the best of the modern era by many knowledgable people.

You must be very proud of yourself Kev.

There was no "feud" between boldie and myself before you started shit-stirring on boldie's staking thread with a flaming post directed at me around six months ago and which set a precedent for all future discussions.

Weeeeeeeeeeeeee advantage ME then :D

And disadvantage everyone else.

Jesus this is so ridiculous it's funny. Just get your dicks out and see whose is the longest andget it over with ffs

heads up tipping contest 4 rollz

Karabiner would just tip that Korean golfer

Sea the Stars is a truly great race horse.  What I love about the beast is its versatility over a number of distances.

I think though to be crowned the "greatest ever" you have to show a level of consistency over a number of years.   I appreciate many of the great race horses are retired at an early age and sent to stud where they command great fees for covering some useful dam's.  This though I cannot accept is a measure of greatness.

I think also the mark of a great horse is the will to win against older/more experienced rivals.  So many  year olds fail to materialise into top 4 & 5 year olds.

I think what we can say is STS is one of the greatest horses we have seen in our generation.  He is pretty much the Usain Bolt of the horse world.  Would we say that Usain Bolt was not a great athlete if he fails to deliver a top class sprinter of a son?

Nijinsky, Dubai Millenium, Nashwan, Mill Reef, Shergar, Rock of Gibralter.  All top class horses.  It would be nice to have seen them all race each other at their peak with top jocks onboard everyone.

Ok this was the best horse ever......FACT

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check and mate IMO.

WP.

I don't know if he is the best ever, coz havent seen all the other horses run.

It amuses me that Boldie thought Venetia Williams trained Best Mate tho.

Its all about opinions but what the hell has it got to do with the Wimbledon champion?

Terrible insult to Emma Lavelle imo.

Scrap the bit about Tonto .... I forgot the Norse Horse obv!

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i think im the best horse in the world :)

Are you up for some stallion duties?

Doesn't she play tennis as well?

Multi talented.

no ive been bought at auction by a small stable :)

Whats the thinking behind retiring said horse?  Simply to breed from?

100k a pop ... no brainer !!

yeah but you can do that straight after the derby, thats what they do all too often these days thats why you dont get any proper flat superstars anymore but the japanese guy or whatever he is that owns this horse clearly doesnt give a fuck about the money, i think he wanted to still keep it going after the arc, blinding.

I predict see the stars will win the cheltnham gold cup march 2013

Yeah Ladbrokes might be generous and offer you 8's for that. Is he going for the Breeders cup? Be a cracking contest against Rip van winkle and Conduit.

Who owns Sea The Stars?

Is it 100% owned by the Tsui family?

Believe so mummy and daddy bred him i think.

Damn, retired to stud just been on the beeb.

On the ball Biddy...  :D