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Ok, so is this tilt, part tilt or just a cold deck?

I’m sorry if this post is a little long, but please stay with me and see if you can recognise what just happened to me.

Some background. The 50p/£1 game at DTD. Table banter is good and most of the players are out to have fun. There are a couple of beginners at the table, one of whom is sat to my left who has already said and done a number of things that suggest he is new to the game.

I have just made a tit of myself in the following manner - After 3-betting on the button with AKs and having my c-bet min-check-raised on the flop and then calling with plenty of outs (10) with the odds to improve, I do the weirdest thing. My opponent checks to me and I announce “Ace high” and turn my cards over. There is an awkward moment when everyone goes “wtf!?” and the dealer (Cold Deck Chris) explains rather sarcastically that we have yet to see the river. Shit the bed, what the hell have I just done - and why?!!

The hand is declared live but I can’t raise. The guy leads out on the river and I pass and he is kind enough to show that he had indeed hit top pair and that I was losing anyway. It has cost me £45 that pot, but mostly I just feel a bit of a tit. I can’t explain why I did it, other than my thought process was that he had top pair and that I had the odds to improve so had already mentally conceded the pot if I didn‘t hit. But I’ve only played a zillion hands of Hold’em so I’m pretty sure I knew about this thing called the river. Oh, and I’m as sober as a judge and not particularly tired either.

Bizarre. I try to make light of it, but deep inside I’m wondering if I’m losing it. This is further compounded a few hands later when I make a comment about a hand I’m not involved in. The guy to my left takes a while to call a fairly obvious river bluff. When he tables his cards I say that he must call with the straight there, to which he replies “I don’t have a straight, just a pair of eights”. I double take the board and he is right. Oh my god, I really must be losing it.

Anyway, enough background, although I must mention it because I don’t know precisely how significant it is.

I now get a three hand whammy. These hands happened one after the other, literally, and in the space of three hands I lost two buy ins (£200).

First hand. In the small blind. Limp city, about six in all. I have  Ac Qs

I have been 3-betting from here recently and getting into all sorts of shit (see my post two days ago) so this time, given my terrible position, I decide to join the limp fest.

The flop is   Qh 8c 4d

I check. UTG (the beginner) leads out for £11. It’s folded to me and I check raise to £35. He calls.

Turn is  8d

He leads again for £40. Would he do that with an 8? Probably not. He limped under the gun so his most likely holding is  a weaker queen. If I was ahead on the flop, I am still ahead. I only have £53 behind, so it’s pass or stick it all in. I stick it all in. He calls with a flopped set and turned full house (QQ).

I am so used to people raising with QQ that I never saw this coming.

Second hand.

Top up to £100. On the button with  Ac Kc

Two limpers. I raise to £5 and sarcastically say “tilt raise”. Guy across the table, who has played with me many times before, says “you are the least likely player I know to tilt”.

Anyway, the SB calls, as does a calling station lady who has just sat down. Now £18 in the pot.

Flop is  Jc 7h 2h

SB leads out for £12. Calling station passes. I don’t like it much but he either has hit the board or is pushing a flush draw, with the former being the most likely. I have position and decide to peel one off and bet the turn if he checks to me, as I feel I may get him to pass a weak Jack if I bet once more. This is what happens. Turn is  Th. I bet just under the pot. Then to my horror I see (after my bet) that the ten has completed the very flush that he may have been pushing. A sure sign that my brain is quite possibly fooked. Anyway he dwells for ages. He says I can’t have the flush because I wouldn’t lead out. He says I might have KQ. He has £55 left so for him it is pass or shove. He shoves, now I know he has the Jack. I have to call, it’s only another £25. I blank on the river and he shows   Jd 8c

Player says my comment "tilt raise" meant he had to call.

Third and final hand

My head is probably not in a good place. However, I have about £40 left and decide to just play for another 20 minutes and just shove in a premium hand should I get it, in the hope  that it will look like tilt - and if I don’t get such a hand in the next 20 minutes then I will just go home.

I am in the cutoff, and get  Ad Js

I chuck in a fiver as an opening  raise and then realise pretty soon that I din’t announce it. Oh, ffs. I don’t let on that I meant to raise.

Flop is    Jc Qc   7s

Checked to me, I bet £4

Two callers, a kid who I stacked the other day with a nice bluff catch and the calling station.

Turn is    Td

Checked round.

River is   Jh

Kid leads out for £20 or so, I chuck the rest in with my trip jacks (about £35) and he insta calls.

He has Kd Ad for the straight.

I get up and go over to another table to take some immediate notes so that I can try and ascertain how much of this is tilt, how much is poor play and how much of it is just the deck hitting me in the face.

I go home in a zombie like state. I feel like a golfer who was cruising along under par and who then suddenly runs up a 10 on a par three. (Lol, this has happened to me as well..)

Anyway, your comments please.

As a bit of broader advice - in these smaller stakes games at DTD you don't have to get funky. People can not and will not pass top pair type hands so just make hands and get paid, don't worry about floating and being fancy etc..

The last hand with the AJ seems fair enough.

The AK you should just pass.

The AQ hand I don't like checkraising in a limped pot. I prefer to lead or if you're gonna check, check-call. The board is so dry your raise will shut out a lot of the hands where you have him crushed.

Finally, don't play poker under the influence of drugs.

errr in short,

3 betting is re-raising pre not raising limpers. if you raise you want to make it big enough to thin the field and 'isolate' fewer opponents. Now you've completed just lead out on this flop and see where the hand takes you. I don't mind the complete I do that some % of the time, either because I don't want to get multi way oop 'deep' or because I want to trap someone.

When someone who is new to the game and who doesn't hate money bets the turn again that big i'd just fold, nitty as it may be.

Dont say tilt raise, imo it's more likely a quiet player who plays tight will steam inwardly and without confidently chatting and putting more and more chips in the pot.

Calling the flop isn't that bad, not knowing whos bet when and that the board turned a heart isn't great. Obv dont bet this card.


Last hand, you bet 4 he suddenly bets 20 just call the river, if youre capable of saying only going to play strong hands and take the money rather than just jam it in like alot of people then that's good and do that and realise when you are not playing your best. This is only 3 hands play more another time live sucks because it's so hard to 'win losses back'....  :dontask:

At the end of the day you are going to swing in this game and there is nothing you can do about it. So just continue to review both your losing AND your winning play. Are you playing your best ? If not dont play.

Lol, no drugs, can't even use that as an excuse. I agree I should have folded the AK.

Thanks Andy.

The 3bet I described was just that, a 3-bet, I just didn't go into as much detail on that hand as the three I did go into.

It surprises me to hear you say that you would have folded to the newbie's £40 bet. But that is a good thing. I didn't even consider it - I just thought - "novice - will be betting any queen here - he didn't raise pre - I must be winning" Crap thinking as it turned out.

I am constantly reviewing hands, both winning and losing, which is why I come on here to get different perspectives. It has definitely been helping. The great thing about poker is that just when you feel you have a new idea or two, or a new understanding, along comes a wham bam session like the one I just had tonight.

"Last hand, you bet 4 he suddenly bets 20 just call the river"

Should just add that this was the young lad that I caught bluffing the other day and who I have now seen bet huge on the river four times and this was the only time he actually had it.

ah kool well I wouldnt 3 bet AQo oop even 100bb deep at 0.5/1 just cawl make top pair and bet bet bet!

I am just so scared when someone bets a proper size when they are new. Unless the stakes mean absolutely nothing to them. Even people who play the game regularly bet way too small relative to the size of the pot.

Sometimes it is all the more important to review the winning hands you played after the moment rather than those that you lose on.



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Yeah but when he bets huge he is saying, I have it (a relative nut hand in my own head) or I am full of it.

Similarly if you have already caught him bluffing he may very well slow down against you and just be betting for value against you in these situations, he may still turn up against other people with bluffs though. You only really beat J9? so I dont see the point of raising the river no matter how small it is really.

The  Ad Qs I don't like limping in pre flop there... I woulda made it 8/9£...
The  Ks Ahrt I would have simply folded on the flop and the final hand looks pretty standard to be honest

sounds like you need a  holiday , just dont go to vegas lol