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Its the first hand back after the dinner break during Day 2 of the WSOP Main Event. You have been at this table with these players for four hours. Your table draw is pretty good with three weaker players to your left. The other players at the table are strong and aggressive. You have been playing a moderate amount of hands. You have made one big 3 bet pre-flop (not shown down) and have shoved once after leading out and getting raised on a two-tone flop (not shown down). Apart from that you have been playing small ball pot control.

You have an approximately average stack of 60k. The blinds are 400-800/100.

Neither blinds have returned from their dinner, and the player to your left is also missing, so we're six-handed.

You are under-the-gun with  Kc Js. You raise to 2000.

One of the weaker players to your left calls. Two of the stronger aggressive players also call. The button has been very active and shown some surprising multi-street bluffs. You think you might have a tell on him - he puts his hand to his face often, and you think he covers his face more when he is weaker.

Flop  9d Th Jc.

You lead out for 6,500 into around 10,000. Two folds. Button makes it 16,500.

You start to tank. You think his body language may indicate he is strong but you are not sure. What do you do next?

fold pre fold now

+1, fold pre

yep folding most hands utg here like   Kd Qs  Js Kc etc...

You all joking?

Why would we fold this 6 handed pre in the ME.

Must be a level.

Would always open here utg in the wsop main event 6 handed with loads of BBs.

check the flop tho.

Raise pre. May check the flop if we've got a tell on someone, not going to just c/f but betting and getting raised sucks so fold then.

Missed that it was 6 handed :)

Agree with this:

I think the fact it's 6 handed is less important than the nature of the people who are missing. The strong aggressive players behind are never, never, going to let this bet through with the blinds missing from the table. People get well funny about that. Any open is gonna look like a steal in this situation and the resistance through the hand will continue to be high because of that initial read. I would rather raise because it's 6-handed with the blinds there. Or raise in lp with no blinds because at least your gonna have position in the hand. As played, you have shown you're not afraid to jam a raise so you must take this raise seriously. You've put yourself in a decent position playing small ball vs weaker players so I don't think getting a lot of your stack in here cos a dude touches his face sometimes is very good. Just get back from the break a little later next time.

I would raise this 9 handed so deffo raise 6 handed.

The problem is the flop is so coordinated its going to be hard to get it in good here so i probs check it, especially with the weird dynamic.

What did you have for dinner?

why would we be 6 handed?

cause some phat phat phatties aint back from dinner.

in that case open and check flop for deception/pot control

check the flop

Went to TGI Fridays at Gold Coast. I was impressed by the very extensive menu and reasonable prices

Does ur opponent know u went to the Gold Coast for dinner? If he does you should ship.

Not sure about that one - there's no reason why he would know, but he could have followed me over there

lol

Metagame, u should also ship if u are wearing an item of Gold Coast clothing or have shown a Gold Coast room key.


Deep dynamics stuff

You should do a life coaching thing. Kinda like the UK's Tommy Angelo but on a broader basis and with much better sideburns

forgot to mention The Villain had a goatee beard

Important information....turn a queen and then slowroll imo. If that fails i think you have grounds to declare his hand dead.

Did he also have a card protector with a photo of wife and/or children?....2 round penalty if so, commencing the next time he touches his face.

Card Protector was oversized coin. However i looked him up on pokerstars later on and his avatar was a picture of a baby, presumably his son or daughter.

yer, still this

I like the idea of this, may have to incorporate it into my game rotflmfao

Smells of 2 pair...I would pass pre based on the grounds that the blinds are missing, you'll get looked up very light since everyone assumes you were on a steal anyway (and KJ is usually the sort of hand that needs to hit a flop hard when you're OOP in a multiway pot) of course by this logic the button could be as weak as middle pair if he figures you'd have to cbet any flop ....guess it depends on his style....seems a bit too much to call if we're crushed and raising could be anywhere from suicidal to genius....a little deeper and I would peel, check the turn and lead the river if checked behind and a brick/gin falls

eh?!


Isn't this what we want?  If opponents are likely to think our hand range here is much wider than KJ type hands then pls let them call imo...

Yeah but the problem is you're raising from a vulnerable position and your raise is lacking credibility from the start, so this hand is gonna be hard to play. The lack of credibility means the initiative is seized by players in a better position than you. Hence in this hand the button can be raising light but we haven't really got a clue where we're at. This isn't a good place to be nomatter which way you look at it. If you want to play this hand limping could be quite funky. You seize a bit of the initiative back because the play is suspiscious and you could always 3-bet a raise. Now you have credibility imo.

I disagree with the thinking that everyone will just assume our raise is light because the blinds aren't there. It's not that we need to steal blinds at this point (the blinds are small and we have like 80bigs) in a very slow structured comp so we shouldn't be just raising trash UTG to possibly play a pot OOP with complete trash.

I agree not everyone will think we're raising light. In this example only 3 out of our 5 oppos didn't believe us.

yes they called purely on the basis that we're raising light and not the fact that they may have a hand which is likely to flop well.

Well, if we're at a table where multiple aggro oppos will call cos we're deep and it's a slow structure and they like calling with hands that can flop well what are the advantages of raising with K-J UTG? Cos we can outplay them all oop post flop cos we're that good? I still like folding best.

Do you think our hand plays badly?

I think the situation could pan out badly

Sorry chaps, my usual 2¢ is worth < 1¢ in most cases, don't get too hung up about it!

if we bet the flop yes.

more pressingly Mantis we have to decide which of us is chalk, and who is cheese.

Forget chalk and cheese. I'll be Murdock if you want to carry on being Mr.T

fyp

what did u amend Iron?

spelling

only cause murdoch is my hero

true dat

It's Murdock dude. Murd-och-aye must have been in the Scottish version or something.

rotflmfao

This.

Yr fkking right it could pan out badly

Yeah too right, Hannibal's dead, Face went on Big Brother, B.A. does Snickers & "Howling Mad" Murdock disappeared forever.

No not the A-Team - I meant this hand panned out badly when I shipped it in and he held the nut straight.

Still, every cloud has a silver lining. In this case the silver lining was that he did not slow roll me. Also I made two pair on the river.