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Title: Making a light call
Post by: TightEnd on October 09, 2009, 09:53:32 AM
12 remain in a Live MTT, 5 paid. Final table average is 50,000

blinds are 1000-2000, 6 handed table

Button has 44,000

Small Blind 37,000


Button limps into an unopened pot with  Kh 2c. Aggro image, stabbing at a lot of pots.

Both blinds complete. Both blinds are tight. Often very tight, though the SB is more "TAG with a few moves"


flop  Kc Jh 7h

Checked to button, 6,000 in the pot. Bets 5,000

SB immediately check-raises all in

Back on the button, do you call here?


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: BulldozerD on October 09, 2009, 09:58:38 AM
an aggro button open limps the button with K2???

some times i might check behind flop but as played i probably call as draws, Jx and other weak kings could be in SB's range.

Either way i wonder why i just played the hand as I did.


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: TightEnd on October 09, 2009, 10:04:56 AM
an aggro button open limps the button with K2???




on this occasion yes. Unusual, granted.


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: celtic on October 09, 2009, 10:06:00 AM
[  ] Godd limp on the button with K 2

Was this Avi?


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: TightEnd on October 09, 2009, 10:11:52 AM
[  ] Godd limp on the button with K 2

Was this Avi?


No, doesn't matter who it was for the purposes of this thread. Especially if it was me.


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: Ironside on October 09, 2009, 10:12:18 AM
i would fold then go and shoot myself for playing like a fish


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: GreekStein on October 09, 2009, 10:17:21 AM
Limping the button with K2 is terribad, getting in situations by doing things like that deserve to send you broke! Sorry if it was you Mr End.

As played, might aswell flip a coin and decide whether they have a King or a draw.


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: Cf on October 09, 2009, 11:39:45 AM
50p

But yeah, blinds the way they are I don't mind a call here. Lots of draws are going for the c/raise. Or even a J or K. If you have an iPhone then download the coin flip app and use that to decide whether to call or not. If you don't have an iPhone then just call.


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: Free_Rollin on October 09, 2009, 12:51:07 PM
You have the second nut backdoor flush draw! Insta-call!

I think it is a call, but as mentioned, it's up to you if you want to gamble on them having a King or a draw. If you want to gamble, go for it!


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: nirvana on October 09, 2009, 01:26:46 PM
A lot of the time I would call with the K2, some ways to win probably even if behind. No one has shown any strength pre. And, I hate being check raised so much that I would rather be trapped than pass a lot of the time


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: MANTIS01 on October 09, 2009, 01:50:17 PM
Why wouldn't the button call? His image is aggro and he's taking "lots of stabs" so it's an easy shove for the tight image sb who has "some moves". Limping with K-2 is plain horrible. But now you've got yourself into the mess you thoroughly deserve. Only calling and completing the perfect spew is acceptable imo. I think Tighty was sb and I think sb should have got his moves into gear pre-flop.


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: LeKnave on October 09, 2009, 02:02:03 PM
[  ] light call
[X] hero holds the nuts


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: GreekStein on October 09, 2009, 02:05:03 PM
No one has shown any strength pre.

Why is that you don't want to raise again?


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: nirvana on October 09, 2009, 02:12:10 PM
No one has shown any strength pre.

Why is that you don't want to raise again?

Shurley shome misunderstanding ! Alls I said was, as played, I would call SBs shove a lot of the time.

Pre in this situation I might pass the K2 or maybe raise the rocks but I wouldn't limp


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: EvilPie on October 09, 2009, 02:14:14 PM
[  ] light call
[X] hero holds the nuts

Pretty much this.

What's light about a pair of kings given this action?

Oppo almost definitely on some kind of draw.

Snap his arms off.

Oh and pass pre. This hand is bad. When it hits this hard though with this action it's awesome.


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: GreekStein on October 09, 2009, 02:15:05 PM
No one has shown any strength pre.

Why is that you don't want to raise again?

Shurley shome misunderstanding ! Alls I said was, as played, I would call SBs shove a lot of the time.

Pre in this situation I might pass the K2 or maybe raise the rocks but I wouldn't limp

Gotcha I misunderstood!


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: Longy on October 09, 2009, 02:18:15 PM
I know it has been stated before, but it can't be stated enough how bad the limp is pre.

As played this board is full of draws and check raise really smells of a draw given stacks, so I would call.


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: Lucky on October 09, 2009, 03:47:52 PM
A lot of the time I would call with the K2, some ways to win probably even if behind. No one has shown any strength pre. And, I hate being check raised so much that I would rather be trapped than pass a lot of the time

Note to self.  Don't check raise bluff this player.


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: nirvana on October 09, 2009, 06:12:40 PM
Its also slightlly wine dependent, early levels i might suck up a c/r


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: AlexMartin on October 09, 2009, 10:10:01 PM
limping live is fine imo, just not with K2o.

K2 is the nuts here, sb's jamming range is weighted heavliy towards draws.



Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: NoflopsHomer on October 09, 2009, 11:06:02 PM
i would fold then go and shoot myself for playing like a fish

I'd shoot you straight after for bet/folding top pair and turning it into a bluff.


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: Ironside on October 09, 2009, 11:07:40 PM
i would fold then go and shoot myself for playing like a fish

I'd shoot you straight after for bet/folding top pair and turning it into a bluff.

thats ok just incase first ullet missed


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: poonjoe on October 15, 2009, 12:43:25 AM
Its not a coinflip whether he has a better King Vs draw/worse pair, there are so many more combos that you beat right now.

Easy call against vast majority of players.


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: 77dave on October 15, 2009, 01:58:45 AM
did i miss where it says how many chips the button has. does he have it covered if so by how much, sb is about ave chips with 12 left


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on October 15, 2009, 02:24:31 AM
lol, have we called yet?


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: TightEnd on October 15, 2009, 10:23:13 AM
did i miss where it says how many chips the button has. does he have it covered if so by how much, sb is about ave chips with 12 left

Just covers sb



Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: TightEnd on October 15, 2009, 10:23:48 AM
lol, have we called yet?


just called now. Quite a dwell, that

Button faded hearts, got a huge stack, won the comp


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: EvilPie on October 15, 2009, 01:33:37 PM
lol, have we called yet?


just called now. Quite a dwell, that

Button faded hearts, got a huge stack, won the comp

Did we have our finger in the air when we called?


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: TightEnd on October 15, 2009, 03:17:16 PM
No sb almost got button to pass
 


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: MANTIS01 on October 15, 2009, 04:34:53 PM
No sb almost got button to pass
 

How much did sb win for almost getting button to pass? :)

Do you think he should pass when you shove?



Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: Simon Galloway on October 15, 2009, 05:23:09 PM
When tighty shoves from the sb it is usually safe to fold out top 2.


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: TightEnd on October 15, 2009, 06:41:31 PM
No sb almost got button to pass
 

How much did sb win for almost getting button to pass? :)

Do you think he should pass when you shove?




that was the plan.


Well played to the button.


Title: Re: Making a light call
Post by: Rupert on October 16, 2009, 11:14:47 PM
lol, the question shouldnt be about the flop play so much as the absolutely diabolical preflop play.  BTN literally chose the worst of 3 options preflop, and both options are likely considerably better.