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Title: Military Historians
Post by: Tonji on October 16, 2009, 12:14:12 PM
Can anyone identify the uniform?

circa 1870s taken in Chesterfield.

(http://photo-history-books.co.uk/hk7b.jpg)

Cheers any help appreciated.


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: DaveShoelace on October 16, 2009, 12:15:45 PM
In before inevitable Tikay joke


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Acidmouse on October 16, 2009, 12:31:01 PM
one sec gonna go ask some people in special collections..

He said mid 19th century, french. When I told him your details taken in Chesterfield he said could be french exile? He looking more for me and will get back later.


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Tonji on October 16, 2009, 12:52:16 PM
one sec gonna go ask some people in special collections..

He said mid 19th century, french. When I told him your details taken in Chesterfield he said could be french exile? He looking more for me and will get back later.

Cheers Acid.

Yeah fella does look a bit french. Its a carte de visite photograph, taken by S. Whiting in Chesterfield.


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Geo the Sarge on October 16, 2009, 02:41:41 PM
The collar badge of the number 7 says almost deffo French.

The French use/used regiment numbers as collar badges (we called them collar dogs.)


This would indicate the 7th regiment, most pics I found with the collar badges as numbers tend to be representative of Infantry regiments.

At work at the mo, but will have a better search tonight

Geo


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Tonji on October 16, 2009, 04:15:50 PM
The collar badge of the number 7 says almost deffo French.

The French use/used regiment numbers as collar badges (we called them collar dogs.)


This would indicate the 7th regiment, most pics I found with the collar badges as numbers tend to be representative of Infantry regiments.

At work at the mo, but will have a better search tonight

Geo

Thanks Geo, thats interesting  ;hattip;


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Geo the Sarge on October 16, 2009, 08:59:39 PM
The more I look into it the less confident I am that it is actually military.

Greatcoat but with what looks like George (mess) boots/ comfy shoes as opposed to working boots. No rank insignia, even the privates had at least a chevron.

Greatcoat seems to have a ribbed collar which I've never seen before. There seems to be a T-bar under the top button and what looks like a chain running between the 2nd and 4th buttons indicating possibly a watch or whistle.

Looking more probably Police or a man of standing, stationmaster? (were held in high regard many years ago) that sort of thing.

And then there is the white gloves, if for everyday use in his job, I can only think it would be for signalling, so the hand signals would stand out.

I'm hooked again, at least I have something to do for the weekend - lol

Geo


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Tonji on October 16, 2009, 09:36:40 PM
Cheers Geo,

I've never heard of "George" Boots, thats new to me.

Maybe a French Railway Guard in Yorkshire!!!  ;D

Don't bust a gut Geo. This sort of stuff is on going for me, never a rush job.

I've a few more Military photos to identify, I'll post them up sometime.


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Geo the Sarge on October 16, 2009, 09:44:37 PM
Cheers Geo,

I've never heard of "George" Boots, thats new to me.

Maybe a French Railway Guard in Yorkshire!!!  ;D

Don't bust a gut Geo. This sort of stuff is on going for me, never a rush job.

I've a few more Military photos to identify, I'll post them up sometime.

George boots are an ankle length boot used by Officers and SNCO's with mess dress. I have a couple of items I might post for your opinions once I get them uploaded.





Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Tonji on October 16, 2009, 09:48:38 PM
Cheers Geo,

I've never heard of "George" Boots, thats new to me.

Maybe a French Railway Guard in Yorkshire!!!  ;D

Don't bust a gut Geo. This sort of stuff is on going for me, never a rush job.

I've a few more Military photos to identify, I'll post them up sometime.

George boots are an ankle length boot used by Officers and SNCO's with mess dress. I have a couple of items I might post for your opinions once I get them uploaded.





named after a famous George?


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Geo the Sarge on October 16, 2009, 10:37:14 PM
The railway theme might not be that far off.

Old picture of railway staff at Dunston station near Newcastle

Similar caps, no Greatcoats but they do have collar insignia.

Geo


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Geo the Sarge on October 17, 2009, 10:22:05 AM
The wife picked this up in a charity shop in Edinburgh for a tenner.

It's a lithograph (original frame) by JR Skeaping, although he did do drawings of animals he was more famous for his sculpture and was recognised as one of the UK's top sculptors.

He has printed his name and also signed this piece.

BTW the white frames at the botton are the reflection of two pis on opposite wall and not on the pic.

Thoughts?


(http://i704.photobucket.com/albums/ww48/geo_album/pics1005.jpg)


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Tonji on October 17, 2009, 10:57:19 AM
I'm guessing it's are an ordinary edition, ie not numbered eg 1/75. If so value is up to £100. Signed & numbered, value up to £250. Original drawings sell in the region of £500+


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Geo the Sarge on October 17, 2009, 11:16:42 AM
I'm guessing it's are an ordinary edition, ie not numbered eg 1/75. If so value is up to £100. Signed & numbered, value up to £250. Original drawings sell in the region of £500+

Thanks Tonji,

It's a simple but lovely sketch, very pleasing to view. I did find a site at the time that had the original on it for £1500. Can't find it now.

As photos seem to be your speciality I'll post a wonderful photo of Edinburgh castle from 1940's that we picked up a couple of weeks ago. Just trying to get a decent photo of it.

Geo


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Tonji on November 04, 2009, 01:36:19 PM
Hi all,

another...

(http://photo-history-books.co.uk/hk9b.jpg)

(http://photo-history-books.co.uk/hk10b.jpg)

(http://photo-history-books.co.uk/hk10a.jpg)

2 carte de visite photographs of the same fellow (I think), circa 1860/70s St Louis, Missouri. Indistinct signature on the back.

I assume its American Civil War era, the cross on the uniform makes me think a Chaplain.

Anyhow, anyone with any thoughts or ideas.

Cheers,

Tonji.


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Acidmouse on November 04, 2009, 01:39:18 PM
erm might have been my namesake Matthew Brady took them, let me have a gander at some books.


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Tonji on November 04, 2009, 01:44:33 PM
erm might have been my namesake Matthew Brady took them, let me have a gander at some books.

photographer is J A Scholten.

Thought of you Acid, I saw some Brady photos for sale at Swanns Auction, New York. I'll find the link.


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Acidmouse on November 04, 2009, 01:47:47 PM
erm might have been my namesake Matthew Brady took them, let me have a gander at some books.

photographer is J A Scholten.

Thought of you Acid, I saw some Brady photos for sale at Swanns Auction, New York. I'll find the link.

I have some at home by him, interesting fellow really. Tragic life in the end.

Would be good if you could link me it please.


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Colchester Kev on November 04, 2009, 01:52:52 PM
found lots on the photographer ... that three triangle medal must be the key to identification, but I cannot seem to find anything similar


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Tonji on November 04, 2009, 01:54:14 PM
erm might have been my namesake Matthew Brady took them, let me have a gander at some books.

photographer is J A Scholten.

Thought of you Acid, I saw some Brady photos for sale at Swanns Auction, New York. I'll find the link.

I have some at home by him, interesting fellow really. Tragic life in the end.

Would be good if you could link me it please.

not his best photographs, but lots 10-11

http://www.swanngalleries.com/3dcat/2191/


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Tonji on November 04, 2009, 01:57:13 PM
found lots on the photographer ... that three triangle medal must be the key to identification, but I cannot seem to find anything similar

yep, it looks Masonic, but just a guess.


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Tonji on November 04, 2009, 01:58:52 PM
looking at the signature again, my best guess is "Mr Williamson"....any thoughts


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Colchester Kev on November 04, 2009, 02:09:20 PM
worth joining this forum and posting the pics ?

http://www.armchairgeneral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=110


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Acidmouse on November 04, 2009, 02:17:34 PM
erm might have been my namesake Matthew Brady took them, let me have a gander at some books.

photographer is J A Scholten.

Thought of you Acid, I saw some Brady photos for sale at Swanns Auction, New York. I'll find the link.

I have some at home by him, interesting fellow really. Tragic life in the end.

Would be good if you could link me it please.

not his best photographs, but lots 10-11

http://www.swanngalleries.com/3dcat/2191/

cheers, man they seem to go for top dollar!


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: bobAlike on November 04, 2009, 02:27:03 PM
found lots on the photographer ... that three triangle medal must be the key to identification, but I cannot seem to find anything similar

Founder of the MOT???

 ;marks;


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Acidmouse on November 04, 2009, 02:40:03 PM
Do you or have you ever owned pics of The Crimean War Tony?


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Tonji on November 04, 2009, 03:16:55 PM
Do you or have you ever owned pics of The Crimean War Tony?

Occasionally, I've bought & sold Roger Fenton photographs. Exceptionally scarce now.

(http://www.tate.org.uk/britain/exhibitions/fenton/images/valleyoftheshadowofdeath.jpg)


Title: Re: Military Historians
Post by: Acidmouse on November 04, 2009, 03:20:07 PM
cannon balls? lol wowzers