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When at Naps the other day I witnessed many dealer errors, and a lot of rulings were required. This one happened on my tables. What does everyone think should happen here?

It's the crazy rebuy game where you start with 10 big blinds. Most of the table see a flop of J33. Player A bets 500 (from a stack of 1000) and Player B goes all in for 900. It folds all the way back around to Player A, who at this point throws his cards (J4) face up into the middle of the table, without saying call or placing his remaining 500 chip over the line. Player B proudly shows his 10 high, and the dealer awards the pot to Player B. Player A says "wait a minute, i called!"

Now, I thought this one was pretty clear cut, but with the amount of arguing it caused maybe not..

if he doesnt announce it or put the chips in then his hand is folded when he exposed it

i'd have thought hand was dead

This + give him a slap for angle shooting.

how is the hand ever ruled dead here?

both hands are live and A has the option to call or pass

it is, just about, possible for it to be ruled a fold if the dealer thinks it was the players inention to pass. however it quite clearly wasn't as no-one ever passes a jack here

depending on the house rules (whether or not you are allowed to expose cards) A may also get a penalty after the hand

No reason at all to think he's angle shooting here. Just looks like he made a mistake. Barring a specific house rule about not exposing your cards he still has the option to call.

 Both hands ruled dead, chips thrown in a bin and both players told to to gtfo and never come back.

even if there is a house rule he still has the option to call. that rule only gives the td the option of a penalty, the hand is still live regardless

unless obv they have a rule saying that exposing cards means your hand is dead but then you really shouldn't play there as they're making it up as they go along

This, with compulsory vasectomy's to be enforced, so these people can't breed.

this just made me lol

thats not just  exposing the cards though its folding

players often do this when they say hey i wasnt stealing i had a hand

That's just about the crux of the matter. It's pretty clear given the hands that he intended to call, as obviously no-one passes a jack here. But not all instances will be as obvious as this. Is it really up to the dealer/td to infer what a players intentions were from this? What if he turned over A high? Do we assume that's a call? What if he turns over 4 high? Do we assume that's a fold?


I thought this was a clear dead hand. He's thrown his cards over the betting line without announcing an action. To me that's a fold, face up or not. It's not up to the dealer to decide whether you were calling or not based on the action as you could angle shoot like crazy. A lot of players will often bluff, get raised, and throw their hand face up in the middle to show that they were only bluffing or whatever. There has to be one rule here, we can't start basing it on what cards are shown.

TD ruled it as a fold.

sigh, I thought better of you nana. wtf has a betting line got to do with folding?

Well nothing really. I always find them pointless. I just used it instead of saying "he threw his cards away in a forward motion"

From Robert's rules of poker.


I would say that whilst he probably meant to call, his action falls within (b) hence his hand is dead. Plus to allow him to call would open you up to future angle shooting.

[  ] they use roberts rules at napoleons

[  ] roberts rules are widely adhered too in full

my answer was going to be it depends on whch 2 players were trying to collude with one another (assuming this is leeds Naps)!

Dealer should of grabbed his cards mucked them then get them back out of the muck and throw them at the player Chris Ferguson style!

the ruling is cf should stop playing at places he hates and thinks are shite

lol, when have i said that? it's the first time i've even played there. my review wasn't overly negative..

CF should move to Nottingham IMO!

Maybe a slap a bit harsh but once the cards have gone over without him anouncing a call then the cards should be dead.
If his hand was losing do you think he would still have said that he was going to call??? I don't know him but would very much doubt it.

By giving him the benefit of the doubt you are penalising the other player, is this fair???

Player A deserves to lose the pot for being an idiot. But I'm loathe to award it to player B who bluffs 400 more into this pot with 10-high. I think the pot should be split between any players at the table not behaving like an idiot. 

It's a clear fold if he hasn't announced an intention to call. While you can cry foul because he "is never passing a Jack here.", their are potentially thousands of different possible hands that can all end up in this same situation and it's not for us to determine what your play is. If you don't announce call, then you've folded. Tough luck, really. I bet you'll remember the next time.

This

lifetime ban imo.  treason mofos shud be hanged .

What next, the dealer simply plays our cards for us whilst we have a beer and a smoke outside?