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OK here’s the deal. I’ll be posting these up on the report but I want views on how I played these 3 hands which ended up in me busting the main event at the IPO in Dublin.

The situation:

We are 12/13 handed on all of these hands. People are getting ready for the final. Waivers have been handed round as well as forms for people to complete player profiles. Food has just been served so I’m pretty sure people will be tightening up for the final so I want to (rightly or wrongly) try and be aggressive to pick up more chips for the final.

My image is fairly loose. I’ve been opening a lot of pots although in the last two rounds I’ve opened 4 pots (we’re 5/6 handed) and shown AQ a couple of times.

Hand 1:

We’re 5 handed and I have 2.1 million chips which covers my opponents. I should mention that there are only 12 million chips in play so I am already double the average stack for the final table.

I look down at A5. The blinds are 40k/80 with a running ante of 5k. I open to 185k (my standard raise at this level).

It folds to the small blind who shoves for 645k total. I am absolutely certain I am losing. He is a solid player who would not put his chips in light at this stage. The action is back to me and it’s 460k so call out of my 2 million stack.

With the antes there’s 935k (185k+185k+25k+80k+460k) in the middle and it’s costing me 460k to call so I’m getting exactly 2/1 to call. Should I take the maths or conserve my tournament position?

I’ll post the other two hands later once I’ve had feedback in this first one…..

I would fold...uv made sball nick raise and whatever way you look at it u r pretty much a 3-1 dog..bigger ace pairs 44 +..gives you 3 outs..+ ur read of the guy who doesnt shove light makes it an easy fold imo.. 

yeah given your read on the player i'd swallow & move onto the next hand
edit;
this is sat here at home, in your shoes & on the table i might call & send out a message that i'm not raise folding

I call this, and make all of it back when I keep raising and raising and they will fold a10-. 88- as they know (think) you arnt going to fold and you pick up so many pots.

i fold you might have 2 million but thats only 25 big blinds

you call and lose you are really damaging your stack

depends on what i had seen from this player etc but if i can keep getting away with steals etc i may just let this one pass as it is pretty marginal.

if you have A5 and are absolutely certain you are losing he must have a pair (5-5 or bigger) or a better ace. either way you have 3 outs. in which case you must be worse than a 2-1 underdog, so "taking the maths" (almost always the correct move) means a clear fold.

if people are tightening up there will be better spots to pick up chips in small pots than taking a big gamble here.

therefore.. fold.

Dont be a hero

I think this is a fold - not nice to donate. That said when you are running good you sometimes see it thru rose tinted glasses. Fwiw I would call with a8 a9

. . . . . Or what about (and this obv depends on stacks behind), why not try some meta game and open shove? If you aren't raise folding, then this may get some marginal reshove type hands to fold. Obv if anyone has more than him, then it doesn't work.

but it's 2/1!!!!

So we need 30% equity vs his reshoving range. If he's tight it's v close.

edit I don't think you can fault a call though. I just find people reshove so much tighter live that it's prob better to find another spot whilst we still have sick chips.

thing is, having 2million gives your stack a lot more flexibility than 1.5, esp if u want to screwabout with other bigstacks down the streets. Keep your stack intact imo, fold.

OK so obv I called and lost against 99 even tho the door card was an ace (I run so bad)

I abs agree that this was the biggest mistake I made and should have folded. I called for the maths and should have thought more about tourney position. It was 145k a round, I could pic the dead 185k quite easily. I didn't think about it for long enough and have been guilty of this before. Lesson learnt.

Second hand:

I now have approx 1.4m in chips. Still table chip leader. Blinds are still 40k/80k/5k. It folds round to be in the sb. Tight French player has 580k total with 80k in the BB. What range of hands should I be putting the big blind in with?

I'd ship just about anything here.

What exactly do you mean by this statement?

Well I suppose against someone's random range, you need 2/1 to call. Obv in this spot I'm probably a 3/1 dog and should fold but as mentioned earlier I didn't take my time and thought "FuckitI'mgetting2/1IcouldbinkI'vegot1.5mbackwhichisplentyandatleastI'msendingamessagenottoreshiplight" CALL!

Easiest shove since poker was invented.

yeh out of the 3 this is probably the most simple. I set him in with Q10 and the big blind wakes up with AJ and holds.

A few hands later I have a stack of 895k with the same blinds and ante's. I have AJ utg still 5 handed. I should........

you have 11big blinds its shove or fold
i go with the shove i think

no decision..shove

If he's tight, and given the tournament situation, I think you can and should shove ATC here.

This is deffo a shove as well.

shove just about any 2 BvB and shove the AJ

shove both & drown your sorrows v swiftly when it doesn't pan out

Yup I shoved AJ utg and the BB woke up with KK. The Ace high flop felt awesome I’d got out of it. I was back to 2 million. MBN. The king on the turn was not as nice.

So there we go- how to go from 2 million to dust 11 out. I think I misplayed the A5 hand and it cost me. Just one mistake can spiral. It’s nice to get the affirmation that most people would do the same in the other two hands. Even tho I know they’re standard it makes me feel 1% better knowing that players on here would go broke too.

I run bad. Not in poker but cos the eventual Sippe was to put it quite frankly, was a nob.

He got fortunate then when stacks shoved any 2 (they were on like 6 bigs) he found big hands and critizised players for shoving K5 and 53 respectivley. He then critised me in both the A5 and the Q10 hand

Worse still when the cards were on their back the AJ KK showdown he vocally said (I must re-iterate he was not in the hand) “Let’s put a King up there and get this over with) Obv the whole field is thinking that but they have the class and etiquette to keep their gobs shut! I told Kev afterward that he would win it just cos I run like shit when it comes to retarded wankers. I even doubled up some tosser at the cash game (spoiler for the report). Obv Blatch took the lot back off him in about 10 mins

gotta love classless pricks...

[ ] he does well in life

We need wankers in poker to give us their money. UL George Wp. I don't think yr A5 mistake 'spiralled' into the others - It was a small error during a long tournament.

if the guy is super tight i dont mind 165k/fold tbh.

If the guy is super tight ATC is even more profitable!

hes never exploiting your min.....

We can shove ATC its profitable...

Yeh you can minr but what about the times he flats????

I don't think you can disconnect hands from each other and I think there is deffo an element of spiral spew in this sequence. The reasons for calling in hand 1 are clearly questionable. The pot is offering 2-1 when everything about the situation suggests you have maybe 30% equity at best. So the maths is out. Calling to show people you wont fold in a very tight game where players wont be pushing light vs the CL anyway doesn't influence much of anything imo. What calling does is expose how light you're prepared to get your chips in. From that point on your aggression lacks the fear factor it could have from a perceived solid image. So hand 2 is a much easier call for villain than it would be from a tighter image. Those 2 things are connected.

I also think the eagerness to just jam hand 2 stems from losing Hand 1 and getting a bit tilty. Min raise is at least an option. Hand 3 is also a marginal jam considering you have just shown A-5 and Q-10. For me I would question the necessity to get so aggro and get your chips in so readily. Yeah usually you can beat a tight game in this aggro fashion but with 2x ft average you have at least some time to build a more credible solid image to trade off. There is enough in these pots and your stack that you don't really want or need action...but the hands you're showing will give you plenty imo. Good result anyway though dude.

I take your point Mantis but both hands 2 and 3 are unexploitable shoves, it doesn't matter what George's image is.

yup, 2 and 3 are straightforward shoves

Yeh I think 2 and 3 are straightfoward.

1 was deffo the one that screwed me. Had I folded that who knows? Oh well- live and learn and move on!!!

Yeah for sure and he's been unlucky with the hands he's run into. But a man with such a commanding advantage doesn't need to put himself in a position where he's shoving his stack in like this. There is a better way to beat this game than shoving imo. Hands 2 and 3 are connected to hand 1 because hero is now liking the jam more than he should and his oppos are now liking to call wider than they should.

But the stacks are so short its not a question of playing post-flop anymore, building image etc etc. Its shove or fold.

Are you joking?

Have you seen the blinds and the stacks?

the blinds and stacks give you the excuse to raise every other hand? Hero can build a credible & profitable image raising less often imo. The fact you guys think the big CL is so shallow means raising light & often from a loose image into much shorter stacks isn't optimum in this situation imo. But yeah them blinds are big.

It was too late to build any credibility at this stage

lol mantisaments

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If you've done yr homework solving shove/fold problems and ICM then you will recognise that George's action in 2 and 3 is simply SHOVE. This can be proven mathematically.

I don't know why hands that are mathmatically proven to be correct are put on PHA for discussion. What is there to discuss here? I think there are ways and means to build a credible image in hero's position in a live game, but hero thinks it's too late for that. I think hero helps to turn a tight game loose from a dominant position and that does him no favours. If hero is gonna find himself mathmatically compelled to push after the A-5 then why is he raising/getting it in with that hand and putting himself in that position? The tournament has gone wrong for hero and maintaining that the in a vacuum maths made him a mere passenger in this tight live game is quite ridiculous and leads to zero discussion.

Errr... I think i agree with you but i'm not sure...

Mantis does that to a lot of people.

Im not saying shoving is not optimal, but between shoving and folding there are sometimes even more +EV lines. Limiting your choices in a blinkered "let the math do the work" is kinda lazy imo. Mantis always brings balance to debate, i agree with about 60% he says, agree to disagree with 20% and think hes wrong the minority of the time, but he does take poker beyond the fundamentals in his thinking imo.

Yeh well said Alex but my thinking is with stacks this short to raise and then fold a hand that was good enough to raise with is euuughhhhhhhh, whether yr folding it pre or post.

Of course that kind of goes out of the window if yr actually playing with people so nitty and so desperate to get 9th place money that they will roll over and let you blatantly abuse them with minraises.

Still hurts- and a Mantis/Greeky fight to boot. weeeeeeeeee

First one I sigh fold - if we always have 3 outs here we're not getting the right price anyway.

Second one I'm shoving all  but the bottom 10% and even with those I don't think it would be a mistake

Third one is also obv a shove

Try not to be results oriented? I think you played all of them fine. Just run better deep in tournaments

hahahahahah nice level

You know who George2Loose is right?

Yeah he's that guy that nearly won the IPO right?

runaboveevmuch.com

livepro.com

howbigisyourcockhereismine.com

Cos started it.

He'll be offering to play heads up soon

lol

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Haha gg Cos