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Title: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: salfi on October 31, 2009, 10:15:30 AM
 my mate a pro player . was attending a alea roe game and in the game was a unknown player to teh casino and myself.  the villain donked out of the roe within a few orbits and wanted to play some cash. my mate busts out of the roe donking cause he knows he has to gamble as i have position on him he gos for teh run the game over method and it back fires and he busts.
 anyway he gets to play the villain heads up(tthey decide between em to pay hrly rate so they dont have to pay dealer) and the guy stacks the deck and my mate loses two pair into st8 1st hand and my mate thinks nothing of it and gos to the cashier and reloads.
while he at the cage i sea the dude messing with the deck in a way isnt normal from my roe tourney but think nothing of it. anyway my mate comes to me half hour later and says to me this hand has been bugging me i lost a stack 1st hand and reload and when i get bk i lose another stack aces in pre vs jacks and the guy hit a jack.  my mate says what do i think. well as i saw the guy acting dodgy with the deck i asked the staff to check teh camera and it apears the guy did load the deck.
 the guy left the casino and they sed it was tough that he got screwed and that is on top of them accepting he had been cheated.  is this usual practice for a casino to admit he was cheated and  do nothing about it?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: action man on October 31, 2009, 10:22:20 AM
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Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: doubleup on October 31, 2009, 10:23:12 AM
Gambling Act 2005

42 Cheating
(1) A person commits an offence if he—
(a) cheats at gambling, or
(b) does anything for the purpose of enabling or assisting another person to cheat at gambling.

(2) For the purposes of subsection (1) it is immaterial whether a person who cheats—
(a) improves his chances of winning anything, or
(b) wins anything.

(3) Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (1) cheating at gambling may, in particular, consist of actual or attempted deception or interference in connection with—
(a) the process by which gambling is conducted, or
(b) a real or virtual game, race or other event or process to which gambling relates.
 
(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section shall be liable—
(a) on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years, to a fine or to both, or
(b) on summary conviction, to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51 weeks, to a fine not exceeding the statutory maximum or to both.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Woodsey on October 31, 2009, 10:25:39 AM
If the casino isn't being cheated they probably don't care I'm afraid.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: BulldozerD on October 31, 2009, 10:47:10 AM
there was something about that guy that i didn't trust from the start


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Biddy 62 on October 31, 2009, 11:55:12 AM
How much ££ was involved?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Cf on October 31, 2009, 11:56:08 AM
How much ££ was involved?

nothing massive, but enough to be pissed off about


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: gatso on October 31, 2009, 11:58:39 AM
I'm not sure what you'd expect the casino to do about it tbh


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: pokerfan on October 31, 2009, 12:05:07 PM
I'm not sure what you'd expect the casino to do about it tbh
Ban him at least.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Linux on October 31, 2009, 12:13:37 PM
I'm not sure what you'd expect the casino to do about it tbh

take him out to the desert, ed deline style


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Woodsey on October 31, 2009, 12:15:25 PM
I'm not sure what you'd expect the casino to do about it tbh
Ban him at least.

If he drops money on the house games that will never happen, probably little chance anyway.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Snatiramas on October 31, 2009, 12:19:39 PM
I have known many people barred from cardrooms for cheating......


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Alverton on October 31, 2009, 12:21:59 PM
I have known many people barred from cardrooms for cheating......

+1


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on October 31, 2009, 12:48:43 PM
This is so com!

Why the fck would you let a guy set the cards while you were away getting money???


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Snatiramas on October 31, 2009, 12:52:23 PM
This is so com!

Why the fck would you let a guy set the cards while you were away getting money???

Just can't trust anyone


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: GreekStein on October 31, 2009, 12:53:20 PM
This is so com!

Why the fck would you let a guy set the cards while you were away getting money???

Exactly this, why play a random for the first time HU and come back and just let him deal the deck without shuffling and cutting infront of you?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Bainn on October 31, 2009, 02:03:04 PM
Had anyone been drinking ?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on October 31, 2009, 02:11:20 PM
Had anyone been drinking ?


Whats that gotta do with it?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Longy on October 31, 2009, 02:15:31 PM
Had anyone been drinking ?


Lol.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Bainn on October 31, 2009, 04:02:19 PM

 ;whistle;


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: salfi on October 31, 2009, 06:33:04 PM
no drinking. guess were just the suckers in this type of spot. i mean i prob wudda been done and thought nothing of it but my mate is a maths genius and following betting patterns it flags up in his brain when somet isnt right alot quicker but obviously after teh hand delt rather then watching for fake shuffle.
we have home games all the time we just dont expect this type of thing. was less then 200 quid so the money isnt  the problem was just dissapointed at the casinos attitude of so what ul.
lots of lessons learned i guess and someone doin a fake deal and dealing u cards just isnt somet were used to pouncing on. ive spotted cheats before and im sure il catch cheats in the future. the problem wasnt being cheated like i said i was just dissapointed at the casino not looking after my friend when these unfortunate things happen. i mean a good wil gesture of a free meal or somet would of been better then a gg rubdown from the folk with the power.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Dingdell on October 31, 2009, 06:38:36 PM
I don't see how the casino is responsible, but I would be unable to spot a cheat which is why I play dealer dealt games only to try and ensure that cheating is kept to a minimum. People will always cheat but at least things such as marking cards might be spotted by the dealer.

When ever I've played heads up even at home it's one person shuffling and the other cuts.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: BAM on October 31, 2009, 07:28:12 PM
Your spelling, punctuation and grammar has given me a headache has anyone got an abstract?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: hugob055 on October 31, 2009, 07:54:52 PM
Your spelling, punctuation and grammar has given me a headache has anyone got an abstract?

epic fail for a cheap laugh


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: GreekStein on October 31, 2009, 07:56:45 PM
Had anyone been to church?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: salfi on October 31, 2009, 08:08:33 PM
Your spelling, punctuation and grammar has given me a headache has anyone got an abstract?
dont read my threds i suggest . this is a poker hang out not a queens english course. 
 think u got the wrong guy and mistook me for someone who gives a fooooooooooook     


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: phatomch on October 31, 2009, 08:30:08 PM
they turned down a casino dealer to save a few quid, he reloaded both times and let the other guy dealer/cut, but you call him a pro? casino doesn't have to do anything if they ban him you have no chance to get money back if he comes back in you may still get it back if you confront him and point out to all cardroom players.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: salfi on October 31, 2009, 09:07:20 PM
they turned down a casino dealer to save a few quid, he reloaded both times and let the other guy dealer/cut, but you call him a pro? casino doesn't have to do anything if they ban him you have no chance to get money back if he comes back in you may still get it back if you confront him and point out to all cardroom players.
defne pro as in he makes his living from poker. as a 50/1 game hardly affects our life style in the slightest its more fun playin a few hands live and we not in the mindset of thinking everybody is out to cheat. we  live and learn but making mistakes in poker is how we get better however they come about . fear of failure isnt somet we worry about when we get it wrong we get it wrong and move on. although we wil question the safeguards in place to protect the player when we do get it wrong and become over trusting.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: phatomch on October 31, 2009, 09:33:45 PM
its got nothing to do with what level he plays at its the mindset of letting a player deal whilst he isnt at the table, school boy mistake that anyone who calls theirself a pro should not let happen, why should casino give him anything for his stupid mistake?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: BAM on October 31, 2009, 09:42:48 PM
Your spelling, punctuation and grammar has given me a headache has anyone got an abstract?
dont read my threds i suggest . this is a poker hang out not a queens english course. 
 think u got the wrong guy and mistook me for someone who gives a fooooooooooook     

Good advice thank you.

I guess the gist is - some mechanic takes a green pro for a ride - live and learn


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: salfi on October 31, 2009, 09:49:08 PM
its got nothing to do with what level he plays at its the mindset of letting a player deal whilst he isnt at the table, school boy mistake that anyone who calls theirself a pro should not let happen, why should casino give him anything for his stupid mistake?
maybe good customer service by the casino. the thred was asking if it was standard practice of tough luck.
   dont matter if he shudnt let it happen the fact is it did happen. does this make him any less of a pro because it happened?   he didnt set out to get cheated did he? so the question like i sed is it standard practice of tough and lets not define the definition pro player and what shud and shudnt happen in his day to day running of his business(poker play)


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: salfi on October 31, 2009, 09:52:05 PM
Your spelling, punctuation and grammar has given me a headache has anyone got an abstract?
dont read my threds i suggest . this is a poker hang out not a queens english course. 
 think u got the wrong guy and mistook me for someone who gives a fooooooooooook     

Good advice thank you.

I guess the gist is - some mechanic takes a green pro for a ride - live and learn
NOT AT ALL. the gist as in the title oF tHe thrEd is is iT stanDrd PrACtice of toUGH luck FRoM THE caSNinos POiNt of VieW


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: phatomch on October 31, 2009, 09:55:21 PM
they have refused the dealer dealt game and therefore the casinos rulings and help, the casino can't say heres a meal or your money back as it's nothing to do with them, if the money had been stolen from a game they where running (poker /roulette) or if the lad had been caught before he left the casino but as not no, the casino done what it should of.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: ScottMGee on October 31, 2009, 11:24:10 PM
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they have refused the dealer dealt game and therefore the casinos rulings and help

+1


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: pokerfan on November 01, 2009, 12:37:39 AM
The prick should be banned end of. After you have seen him on video cheating in a private game why take the risk he wont be trying to rip the house games off next week?
+ Everyone saying how could he not cut the deck etc how do you know he didn`t ? Its not hard to stack a deck and cut/replace before dealing, hard knocks teach you that.
Salfi next time he walks in turn the ***** upside down till you get every penny he`s got  lowlife prick.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: the-oneeye on November 01, 2009, 03:46:17 AM
Had a few cheats in some of the club games i run and dont for one minute underestimate the money involved they tend to fall down big flights of stairs


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: julian on November 01, 2009, 10:10:44 AM
so who was it?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: julian on November 01, 2009, 10:12:24 AM
my mate a pro player . was attending a alea roe game and in the game was a unknown player to teh casino and myself.  the villain donked out of the roe within a few orbits and wanted to play some cash. my mate busts out of the roe donking cause he knows he has to gamble as i have position on him he gos for teh run the game over method and it back fires and he busts.
 anyway he gets to play the villain heads up(tthey decide between em to pay hrly rate so they dont have to pay dealer) and the guy stacks the deck and my mate loses two pair into st8 1st hand and my mate thinks nothing of it and gos to the cashier and reloads.
while he at the cage i sea the dude messing with the deck in a way isnt normal from my roe tourney but think nothing of it. anyway my mate comes to me half hour later and says to me this hand has been bugging me i lost a stack 1st hand and reload and when i get bk i lose another stack aces in pre vs jacks and the guy hit a jack.  my mate says what do i think. well as i saw the guy acting dodgy with the deck i asked the staff to check teh camera and it apears the guy did load the deck.
 the guy left the casino and they sed it was tough that he got screwed and that is on top of them accepting he had been cheated.  is this usual practice for a casino to admit he was cheated and  do nothing about it?

i'll get my coat


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Dale on November 01, 2009, 11:17:47 AM
don't see wht you don't just go to the police? guy broke the law and the evidence is there. get him what he deserves.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Linux on November 01, 2009, 11:32:14 AM
don't see wht you don't just go to the police? guy broke the law and the evidence is there. get him what he deserves.

a threat of the police might get the casino to pull there finger out


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Dale on November 01, 2009, 11:38:29 AM
you can fill out a full report with all the details on the police website, then you get a quick phone call then they go round to the casino to get statements / video tape.

even though it's only £200 thats still a robbery and they will still investigate/prosecute the villain, but like linux said having the police walk into the casino they might just decide to refund your loss because they don't want all that hassle.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: G1BTW on November 01, 2009, 11:45:24 AM
The casino will normally let these things slide. It's not like he stole a sandwich or something.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 01, 2009, 12:37:47 PM
The casino will normally let these things slide. It's not like he stole a sandwich or something.

:)


I can't get over the fact that u saw this guy acting wierd with the deck but failed to inform your mate that you thought summet dodgy had gone on!

Also lol at your mate knowing betting patterns and suddenly twanged that summet was not right and came to u for advice!!


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: salfi on November 01, 2009, 01:05:40 PM
The casino will normally let these things slide. It's not like he stole a sandwich or something.

:)


I can't get over the fact that u saw this guy acting wierd with the deck but failed to inform your mate that you thought summet dodgy had gone on!

Also lol at your mate knowing betting patterns and suddenly twanged that summet was not right and came to u for advice!!
dont be a clown dan.   il just start punching and shaking down everybody who looks dodgy or might cheat 1 day. i was busy playin my game on another table and we realised  after the hussle and asked the staff to review the tape. he asked me what i though ten mins after it happened cause it was bugging him and i told him he was messing with the deck rather then shuffling it while my mate was at the cash desk. i was in my own game playin and my attention was on my own game it was a quick glance at the guy and i thought nothing of it until my mate told me he had concerns that the hand was played like a stacked deck.  they did he we was right and the guy ran off out thye building when he realised beforre teh staff with the camera could review the evidence. no one wants to get cheated use ya loaf im hardly gunner allow it if im 100percent sure. its not until we had a chat that we put the evidence we had together and felt he had cheated. my mate been the player he is thought st8 away but u cant call everyone a cheat its just bad practice dan.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Ironside on November 01, 2009, 01:28:30 PM
so the guy was out the building by the time alea had proof?

so what you want them to do?

you will likely find the guy is barred

but noting else he can do unless you call the police in


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: salfi on November 01, 2009, 02:34:18 PM
so the guy was out the building by the time alea had proof?

so what you want them to do?

you will likely find the guy is barred

but noting else he can do unless you call the police in
they siad they would ban him.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Ironside on November 01, 2009, 04:23:14 PM
so the guy was out the building by the time alea had proof?

so what you want them to do?

you will likely find the guy is barred

but noting else he can do unless you call the police in
they siad they would ban him.

so apart from them giving the player his money back (never going to happen)
what did you want the alea to do?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: George2Loose on November 01, 2009, 05:15:32 PM
The casino will normally let these things slide. It's not like he stole a sandwich or something.

:)


I can't get over the fact that u saw this guy acting wierd with the deck but failed to inform your mate that you thought summet dodgy had gone on!

Also lol at your mate knowing betting patterns and suddenly twanged that summet was not right and came to u for advice!!
dont be a clown dan.   il just start punching and shaking down everybody who looks dodgy or might cheat 1 day. i was busy playin my game on another table and we realised  after the hussle and asked the staff to review the tape. he asked me what i though ten mins after it happened cause it was bugging him and i told him he was messing with the deck rather then shuffling it while my mate was at the cash desk. i was in my own game playin and my attention was on my own game it was a quick glance at the guy and i thought nothing of it until my mate told me he had concerns that the hand was played like a stacked deck.  they did he we was right and the guy ran off out thye building when he realised beforre teh staff with the camera could review the evidence. no one wants to get cheated use ya loaf im hardly gunner allow it if im 100percent sure. its not until we had a chat that we put the evidence we had together and felt he had cheated. my mate been the player he is thought st8 away but u cant call everyone a cheat its just bad practice dan.

Fair enough u can't accuse him but why not warn your mate?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 01, 2009, 05:51:08 PM
The casino will normally let these things slide. It's not like he stole a sandwich or something.

:)


I can't get over the fact that
 u saw this guy acting wierd with the deck but failed to inform your mate that you thought summet dodgy had gone on!

Also lol at your mate knowing betting patterns and suddenly twanged that summet was not right and came to u for advice!!
dont be a clown dan.   il just start punching and shaking down everybody who looks dodgy or might cheat 1 day. i was busy playin my game on another table and we realised  after the hussle and asked the staff to review the tape. he asked me what i though ten mins after it happened cause it was bugging him and i told him he was messing with the deck rather then shuffling it
while my mate was at the cash desk. i was in my own game playin and my attention was on my own game it was a quick glance at the guy and i thought nothing of it until my mate told me he had concerns that the hand was played like a stacked deck.  they did he we was right and the guy ran off out thye building when he realised beforre teh staff with the camera could review the evidence. no one wants to get cheated use ya loaf im hardly gunner allow it if im 100percent sure. its not until we had a chat that we put the evidence we had together and felt he had cheated. my mate been the player he is thought st8 away but u cant call everyone a cheat its just bad practice dan.

Fair enough u can't accuse him but why not warn your mate?

+1

call ur mate over before he sits down and warn him about the fishy deck and get him to do it himself!


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: gatso on November 01, 2009, 06:06:47 PM
so to clarify. in op you ask if it's standard practice for a casino to do nothing. then it turns out they've said they'll bar him. so what was the point of the thread?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: G1BTW on November 01, 2009, 07:05:12 PM
so to clarify. in op you ask if it's standard practice for a casino to do nothing. then it turns out they've said they'll bar him. so what was the point of the thread?

revenge on casino? ;)


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: GreekStein on November 01, 2009, 10:14:37 PM
this is what happens when you have no common sense


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: salfi on November 01, 2009, 11:08:14 PM
The casino will normally let these things slide. It's not like he stole a sandwich or something.

:)


I can't get over the fact that
 u saw this guy acting wierd with the deck but failed to inform your mate that you thought summet dodgy had gone on!

Also lol at your mate knowing betting patterns and suddenly twanged that summet was not right and came to u for advice!!
dont be a clown dan.   il just start punching and shaking down everybody who looks dodgy or might cheat 1 day. i was busy playin my game on another table and we realised  after the hussle and asked the staff to review the tape. he asked me what i though ten mins after it happened cause it was bugging him and i told him he was messing with the deck rather then shuffling it
while my mate was at the cash desk. i was in my own game playin and my attention was on my own game it was a quick glance at the guy and i thought nothing of it until my mate told me he had concerns that the hand was played like a stacked deck.  they did he we was right and the guy ran off out thye building when he realised beforre teh staff with the camera could review the evidence. no one wants to get cheated use ya loaf im hardly gunner allow it if im 100percent sure. its not until we had a chat that we put the evidence we had together and felt he had cheated. my mate been the player he is thought st8 away but u cant call everyone a cheat its just bad practice dan.

Fair enough u can't accuse him but why not warn your mate?

+1

call ur mate over before he sits down and warn him about the fishy deck and get him to do it himself!
well obviously hind sight is a wonderful thing isnt it dan.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: salfi on November 01, 2009, 11:11:09 PM
so to clarify. in op you ask if it's standard practice for a casino to do nothing. then it turns out they've said they'll bar him. so what was the point of the thread?
just seams a shitty situation that is all. 
and also stands as a warning that people shud be aware also.
 end of day wats the point of any thred to discuss the topic that someone has written about.   


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 01, 2009, 11:23:35 PM
so to clarify. in op you ask if it's standard practice for a casino to do nothing. then it turns out they've said they'll bar him. so what was the point of the thread?
just seams a shitty situation that is all. 
and also stands as a warning that people shud be aware also.
 end of day wats the point of any thred to discuss the topic that someone has written about.   

at the end of the day i wouldnt allow some random i was playing heads up to just deal the cards without me being present or cutting them! I certainly wouldnt go to the cash desk after being stacked first hand and come back and let the guy deal again...AGAIN without me cutting them!

so really TOUGH LUCK isnt it!! Nothing casino really can do about it as they deceide to pay an hourly fee in order to save on getting bummed on rake! Shame ur mate got bummed by this character!


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: salfi on November 01, 2009, 11:24:52 PM
this is what happens when you have no common sense
that must be it obviously . cause he one of the few people who actually wins money in a casino he must have no commen sense.  maybe some people just expect a fair game . obviously u lot on here are well rounded masters of scumbag catching and thinking on another level where were jsut thinking about drink women and having a laugh . school boy error obviously .


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: GreekStein on November 01, 2009, 11:33:14 PM
this is what happens when you have no common sense
that must be it obviously . cause he one of the few people who actually wins money in a casino he must have no commen sense.  maybe some people just expect a fair game . obviously u lot on here are well rounded masters of scumbag catching and thinking on another level where were jsut thinking about drink women and having a laugh . school boy error obviously .
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So you get beat by a guy you've not played before, whilst you're dealing yourselves. You go get more cash and upon coming back the deck isn't shuffled infront of you or cut but you get dealt aces first hand. lol @ anyone not thinking they're about to get fucked straight away.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: salfi on November 01, 2009, 11:35:28 PM
so to clarify. in op you ask if it's standard practice for a casino to do nothing. then it turns out they've said they'll bar him. so what was the point of the thread?
just seams a shitty situation that is all. 
and also stands as a warning that people shud be aware also.
 end of day wats the point of any thred to discuss the topic that someone has written about.   

at the end of the day i wouldnt allow some random i was playing heads up to just deal the cards without me being present or cutting them! I certainly wouldnt go to the cash desk after being stacked first hand and come back and let the guy deal again...AGAIN without me cutting them!

so really TOUGH LUCK isnt it!! Nothing casino really can do about it as they deceide to pay an hourly fee in order to save on getting bummed on rake! Shame ur mate got bummed by this character!
u wasnt there dont make out like u know what happened. the guy it happened to would of been watching the guy. not all cheats are obvious as ude think they would be. funnilly enough there isnt a sign on there hed they dont have tattoo on there head or tell u there gunner foook u over.  if your so great at gettin all the information when u sit down at a card table why do u not win anywere near what this guys hourly rate is ?    end of the day he didnt aim to get foooked over did he? . yes he learnt his lesson but dont make out like u too smart to get foooked it could happen to anyone.  u know who it happened to and u know he isnt no mug so dont insult his intelligence please.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: GreekStein on November 01, 2009, 11:41:53 PM
so to clarify. in op you ask if it's standard practice for a casino to do nothing. then it turns out they've said they'll bar him. so what was the point of the thread?
just seams a shitty situation that is all. 
and also stands as a warning that people shud be aware also.
 end of day wats the point of any thred to discuss the topic that someone has written about.   

at the end of the day i wouldnt allow some random i was playing heads up to just deal the cards without me being present or cutting them! I certainly wouldnt go to the cash desk after being stacked first hand and come back and let the guy deal again...AGAIN without me cutting them!

so really TOUGH LUCK isnt it!! Nothing casino really can do about it as they deceide to pay an hourly fee in order to save on getting bummed on rake! Shame ur mate got bummed by this character!
u wasnt there dont make out like u know what happened. the guy it happened to would of been watching the guy. not all cheats are obvious as ude think they would be. funnilly enough there isnt a sign on there hed they dont have tattoo on there head or tell u there gunner foook u over.  if your so great at gettin all the information when u sit down at a card table why do u not win anywere near what this guys hourly rate is ?    end of the day he didnt aim to get foooked over did he? . yes he learnt his lesson but dont make out like u too smart to get foooked it could happen to anyone.  u know who it happened to and u know he isnt no mug so dont insult his intelligence please.

does he crush $3 sngs like you do salfi?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: salfi on November 01, 2009, 11:47:19 PM
this is what happens when you have no common sense
that must be it obviously . cause he one of the few people who actually wins money in a casino he must have no commen sense.  maybe some people just expect a fair game . obviously u lot on here are well rounded masters of scumbag catching and thinking on another level where were jsut thinking about drink women and having a laugh . school boy error obviously .
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So you get beat by a guy you've not played before, whilst you're dealing yourselves. You go get more cash and upon coming back the deck isn't shuffled infront of you or cut but you get dealt aces first hand. lol @ anyone not thinking they're about to get fucked straight away.
 yes cause no one has ever been dealt aces 1st hand or seen a fake shuffle.  im sure no one as ever been cheated before so it must be my friends fault he fell for the old get foooked at the casino trick. sorry the world and the people in it are not as clever as u when it comes to this sort of  thing. maybe one day with your comments on here and teachings we can learn to be just like u (super human) until then im sure people wil be cheated  . mbn been u.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 01, 2009, 11:50:38 PM
this is what happens when you have no common sense
that must be it obviously . cause he one of the few people who actually wins money in a casino he must have no commen sense.  maybe some people just expect a fair game . obviously u lot on here are well rounded masters of scumbag catching and thinking on another level where were jsut thinking about drink women and having a laugh . school boy error obviously .
[/quote

So you get beat by a guy you've not played before, whilst you're dealing yourselves. You go get more cash and upon coming back the deck isn't shuffled infront of you or cut but you get dealt aces first hand. lol @ anyone not thinking they're about to get fucked straight away.
 yes cause no one has ever been dealt aces 1st hand or seen a fake shuffle.  im sure no one as ever been cheated before so it must be my friends fault he fell for the old get foooked at the casino trick. sorry the world and the people in it are not as clever as u when it comes to this sort of  thing. maybe one day with your comments on here and teachings we can learn to be just like u (super human) until then im sure people wil be cheated  . mbn been u.

have u ever cheated before salfi?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: GreekStein on November 01, 2009, 11:57:32 PM
this is what happens when you have no common sense
that must be it obviously . cause he one of the few people who actually wins money in a casino he must have no commen sense.  maybe some people just expect a fair game . obviously u lot on here are well rounded masters of scumbag catching and thinking on another level where were jsut thinking about drink women and having a laugh . school boy error obviously .
[/quote

So you get beat by a guy you've not played before, whilst you're dealing yourselves. You go get more cash and upon coming back the deck isn't shuffled infront of you or cut but you get dealt aces first hand. lol @ anyone not thinking they're about to get fucked straight away.
 yes cause no one has ever been dealt aces 1st hand or seen a fake shuffle.  im sure no one as ever been cheated before so it must be my friends fault he fell for the old get foooked at the casino trick. sorry the world and the people in it are not as clever as u when it comes to this sort of  thing. maybe one day with your comments on here and teachings we can learn to be just like u (super human) until then im sure people wil be cheated  . mbn been u.

yeah it is kind of nice having an iota of common sense.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: salfi on November 02, 2009, 12:09:31 AM
so to clarify. in op you ask if it's standard practice for a casino to do nothing. then it turns out they've said they'll bar him. so what was the point of the thread?
just seams a shitty situation that is all. 
and also stands as a warning that people shud be aware also.
 end of day wats the point of any thred to discuss the topic that someone has written about.   

at the end of the day i wouldnt allow some random i was playing heads up to just deal the cards without me being present or cutting them! I certainly wouldnt go to the cash desk after being stacked first hand and come back and let the guy deal again...AGAIN without me cutting them!

so really TOUGH LUCK isnt it!! Nothing casino really can do about it as they deceide to pay an hourly fee in order to save on getting bummed on rake! Shame ur mate got bummed by this character!
u wasnt there dont make out like u know what happened. the guy it happened to would of been watching the guy. not all cheats are obvious as ude think they would be. funnilly enough there isnt a sign on there hed they dont have tattoo on there head or tell u there gunner foook u over.  if your so great at gettin all the information when u sit down at a card table why do u not win anywere near what this guys hourly rate is ?    end of the day he didnt aim to get foooked over did he? . yes he learnt his lesson but dont make out like u too smart to get foooked it could happen to anyone.  u know who it happened to and u know he isnt no mug so dont insult his intelligence please.

does he crush $3 sngs like you do salfi?
u have a go at me all u want. end of day i play the 60s and crush them i play the 27s crush them .winning mtt player live. winning player cash player upto 5/10 and yes i play lots of 3s i crush them 30tabling for a stedy 50dollar an hr. i choose to take the least swingiest path in poker dont see why this has any relavance . u can discuss my player profile all u want but while i have an easy life and make an honest living at the game an understand teh game at many levels.  people like u can say what they want and it wil mean fook all cause u aint the guy putting my kid in trainers my food on teh table or sending me to vegas . so u enjoy been a smug git all u want but like i sed i give my time for free and cause your so smart and play with ivey obviously u have nothing to learn but for the rest of the people who wanta get better its people like me who wil prob be willing to help as i have many areas of skills in the poker world to call upon. please dont comment on my posts as i dont want to comunicate with u anymore thu here as negative stuff is a waste of my time.    


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: GreekStein on November 02, 2009, 12:20:10 AM
so to clarify. in op you ask if it's standard practice for a casino to do nothing. then it turns out they've said they'll bar him. so what was the point of the thread?
just seams a shitty situation that is all.  
and also stands as a warning that people shud be aware also.
 end of day wats the point of any thred to discuss the topic that someone has written about.    

at the end of the day i wouldnt allow some random i was playing heads up to just deal the cards without me being present or cutting them! I certainly wouldnt go to the cash desk after being stacked first hand and come back and let the guy deal again...AGAIN without me cutting them!

so really TOUGH LUCK isnt it!! Nothing casino really can do about it as they deceide to pay an hourly fee in order to save on getting bummed on rake! Shame ur mate got bummed by this character!
u wasnt there dont make out like u know what happened. the guy it happened to would of been watching the guy. not all cheats are obvious as ude think they would be. funnilly enough there isnt a sign on there hed they dont have tattoo on there head or tell u there gunner foook u over.  if your so great at gettin all the information when u sit down at a card table why do u not win anywere near what this guys hourly rate is ?    end of the day he didnt aim to get foooked over did he? . yes he learnt his lesson but dont make out like u too smart to get foooked it could happen to anyone.  u know who it happened to and u know he isnt no mug so dont insult his intelligence please.

does he crush $3 sngs like you do salfi?
u have a go at me all u want. end of day i play the 60s and crush them i play the 27s crush them .winning mtt player live. winning player cash player upto 5/10 and yes i play lots of 3s i crush them 30tabling for a stedy 50dollar an hr. i choose to take the least swingiest path in poker dont see why this has any relavance . u can discuss my player profile all u want but while i have an easy life and make an honest living at the game an understand teh game at many levels.  people like u can say what they want and it wil mean fook all cause u aint the guy putting my kid in trainers my food on teh table or sending me to vegas . so u enjoy been a smug git all u want but like i sed i give my time for free and cause your so smart and play with ivey obviously u have nothing to learn but for the rest of the people who wanta get better its people like me who wil prob be willing to help as i have many areas of skills in the poker world to call upon. please dont comment on my posts as i dont want to comunicate with u anymore thu here as negative stuff is a waste of my time.    

I'll comment on your posts as often as I like.

:)


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 02, 2009, 12:20:27 AM
so to clarify. in op you ask if it's standard practice for a casino to do nothing. then it turns out they've said they'll bar him. so what was the point of the thread?
just seams a shitty situation that is all. 
and also stands as a warning that people shud be aware also.
 end of day wats the point of any thred to discuss the topic that someone has written about.   

at the end of the day i wouldnt allow some random i was playing heads up to just deal the cards without me being present or cutting them! I certainly wouldnt go to the cash desk after being stacked first hand and come back and let the guy deal again...AGAIN without me cutting them!

so really TOUGH LUCK isnt it!! Nothing casino really can do about it as they deceide to pay an hourly fee in order to save on getting bummed on rake! Shame ur mate got bummed by this character!
u wasnt there dont make out like u know what happened. the guy it happened to would of been watching the guy. not all cheats are obvious as ude think they would be. funnilly enough there isnt a sign on there hed they dont have tattoo on there head or tell u there gunner foook u over.  if your so great at gettin all the information when u sit down at a card table why do u not win anywere near what this guys hourly rate is ?    end of the day he didnt aim to get foooked over did he? . yes he learnt his lesson but dont make out like u too smart to get foooked it could happen to anyone.  u know who it happened to and u know he isnt no mug so dont insult his intelligence please.

does he crush $3 sngs like you do salfi?
u have a go at me all u want. end of day i play the 60s and crush them i play the 27s crush them .winning mtt player live. winning player cash player upto 5/10 and yes i play lots of 3s i crush them 30tabling for a stedy 50dollar an hr. i choose to take the least swingiest path in poker dont see why this has any relavance . u can discuss my player profile all u want but while i have an easy life and make an honest living at the game an understand teh game at many levels.  people like u can say what they want and it wil mean fook all cause u aint the guy putting my kid in trainers my food on teh table or sending me to vegas . so u enjoy been a smug git all u want but like i sed i give my time for free and cause your so smart and play with ivey obviously u have nothing to learn but for the rest of the people who wanta get better its people like me who wil prob be willing to help as i have many areas of skills in the poker world to call upon. please dont comment on my posts as i dont want to comunicate with u anymore thu here as negative stuff is a waste of my time.    

Salfi i admire you man! Your a good player! You provide for your family! You know the game and your a winning player!



Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: salfi on November 02, 2009, 12:24:21 AM
whatever


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: George2Loose on November 02, 2009, 12:26:54 AM
Salfi even u must admit your mate was a bit thick to get stung in the way he did. OK I admit, some cheats are very clever. But this wasn't exatly a master criminal!


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: GreekStein on November 02, 2009, 12:31:13 AM
He made this thread about what he can do about the incident and then starts rabbling on about the guy who got stung is a winning player when he doesn't like something that is said. You asked for opinions, you got em.

Now if you can't see that your winning friend was incredibly naive here then you need your head checked.



Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 02, 2009, 12:37:29 AM
we have provided the opinions and salfi doesnt like em cos we havnt said......orrrrr poor "insert friends name" lets get casino to get him his pennys back cos he got cheated!


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: salfi on November 02, 2009, 12:56:48 AM
Salfi even u must admit your mate was a bit thick to get stung in the way he did. OK I admit, some cheats are very clever. But this wasn't exatly a master criminal!
u wasnt there so how do u know how exactly it played out?. i dont know how good the cheat is as it was a team effort detecting that he had loaded the deck. i had seen him looking at the cards and not thought about telling my mate that the guy might not be going to shuffle the cards properly. my mate would of watched the guy cut and deal but obviously he must of been half decent at cheating as he had the confidence and the skills to pull it off. was the betting patterns that flagged it up as they say if its to good to be true then(aces 1st hand) it normally is but u dont go to casino to be suspicious. u expect weak poker and people tryin to steel an edge thru banter. nothing as bad as fake shuffling pretend double cutting . we learn to play cards and detecting cheats is somet we shudnt have to do when were on a casino property in my eyes as i feel the casino shud be responsible(not sayin thats how it is but thats what i feel)  making my mate out to be a tool serves no purpose. i really dont understand why u wanta try offend me or get my back up by suggesting that this could only happen to a simpleton?  happend to someone who has been around cards for years has played gukpt wsop dtd events and wil be known to lots of u on the curcuit. there isnt many who would think that the guy is an idiot for this happening to them . liek i sed it could happen to anyone and prob has . i bet most people dont even know its happened to them to be honest.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: George2Loose on November 02, 2009, 01:01:03 AM
LOL.

I nip to cash desk. Get money. Come back. WOW I have ACES!!! No cut, no shuffle. What are the chances?

Seriously dude- your mate is thick


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: GreekStein on November 02, 2009, 01:14:21 AM
LOL.

I nip to cash desk. Get money. Come back. WOW I have ACES!!! No cut, no shuffle. What are the chances?

Seriously dude- your mate is thick

thankyou!


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Blatch on November 02, 2009, 01:15:19 AM
Salfi - I havent posted on here yet and quite honestly cant be bothered to read it all cos most of the posts on here are written with appauling english and punctuality.

Can you correct if im wrong on a summary please?

1) Your mate who's awesome donks out a comp because you have position on him
2) He decides to play cash with someone heads up that he doesnt know
3) He loses the lot
4) He reloads
5) You see something not quite right with the guy and the cards
6) He has aces first hand back and loses the lot
7) He thinks something is dodgy because of the betting patterns

Is that a fair summary or should I read the whole lot?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: TightEnd on November 02, 2009, 04:48:26 AM
I have deleted the thread from here on, just in case those who posted on it are confused about that, due to completely unacceptable flaming towards the OP.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Linux on November 02, 2009, 06:45:29 AM
I have deleted the thread from here on, just in case those who posted on it are confused about that, due to completely unacceptable flaming towards the OP.

norrrrr spoil sport


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Lucky on November 02, 2009, 10:18:54 AM
Salfi - I havent posted on here yet and quite honestly cant be bothered to read it all cos most of the posts on here are written with appauling english and punctuality.

Can you correct if im wrong on a summary please?

1) Your mate who's awesome donks out a comp because you have position on him
2) He decides to play cash with someone heads up that he doesnt know
3) He loses the lot
4) He reloads
5) You see something not quite right with the guy and the cards
6) He has aces first hand back and loses the lot
7) He thinks something is dodgy because of the betting patterns

Is that a fair summary or should I read the whole lot?

I love irony!


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: MKKfish on November 02, 2009, 11:04:01 AM
Salfi - I havent posted on here yet and quite honestly cant be bothered to read it all cos most of the posts on here are written with appauling english and punctuality.

Can you correct if im wrong on a summary please?

1) Your mate who's awesome donks out a comp because you have position on him
2) He decides to play cash with someone heads up that he doesnt know
3) He loses the lot
4) He reloads
5) You see something not quite right with the guy and the cards
6) He has aces first hand back and loses the lot
7) He thinks something is dodgy because of the betting patterns

Is that a fair summary or should I read the whole lot?

Well timed post.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Horneris on November 02, 2009, 03:16:26 PM
I have deleted the thread from here on, just in case those who posted on it are confused about that, due to completely unacceptable flaming towards the OP.

norrrrr spoil sport


BAN.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Linux on November 02, 2009, 04:05:35 PM
I have deleted the thread from here on, just in case those who posted on it are confused about that, due to completely unacceptable flaming towards the OP.

norrrrr spoil sport


BAN.

die  i mean, thats not nice bh


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Neptune on November 02, 2009, 06:31:29 PM
Guess I'll chime in as this thread is about me.

I think the comments that we turned down a dealer dealt game and hence it's not the casino's responsibility is stupid.  We're still paying a rake to the casino just a much lesser one and we are still in their environment and hence they have a responsibility towards me to protect me from being cheated by another customer.  In the end they made a decision to ban him and said that nothing would come of it if pursued any further since the evidence is not clear but it's obvious to them as they are in the industry.  All Salfi is basically asking is whether they should be doing more than this (I didn't ask him to post, my personal stance on the matter is fuck it, got cheated, lesson learnt). 

Playing HU where we're not gonna be sat super deep that is raked pretty high is gonna eat up the stacks no matter what so I think it's a perfectly reasonable decision to self deal.  In my mind the guy was not a random, he was a player in Charles Flynn's private game, I had no reason to assume anything other than he was known to Charles and hence was not even considering the possibility of being cheated.

He obviously just spotted the opportunity to cheat me and went for it.  First hand we only sat down with 60bb's, got in a 3bet pot and all money was in on T9JA with me AJ and him QK.  I didn't even blink at this, just thought standard cooler spot.  So whilst I went to the cash desk I wasn't even getting my guard up or becoming remotely suspicious of the guy.  I mean yeah when I got back getting dealt aces seems well suspicious in hindsight but at the time I just wasn't thinking.  I wasn't that awake and was only at Alea to piss around in Cf's private game, wasn't expecting anything remotely serious.  He shuffled in front of me too, I just forgot to cut the deck, I haven't cut a deck in well over a year unless I'm dealing myself, just not used to it being part of the routine anymore, I think it's fair enough I can forget. I think people calling me thick for letting this happen is wrong, I made what I think is an easy mistake to make.  I just don't expect to get scammed in a casino these days.  Plus should I suspect someone that I think is mates with one of my mates from the get go?  Am I supposed to be suspicious of and distrust every person I meet until they prove themselves?  That doesn't sound like the best way to be.

I mean had I had any suspicion after the first hand then I probably would've not stacked off with aces.  But from my pov I got back, got dealt aces (which can happen), and rather than going damn he's scamming me I just naturally clicked the raise button and b4 I had another thought the whole lot was in, I don't think I can be held too accountable for letting that sequence of events occurring.

It twigged after a few hands and I took over the dealing.   I didn't confront him cause it looked like he was gonna stay plus he wasn't that good so I thought I'd just win it back.  I only went over to Salfi when the guy said he was gonna leave in 20 mins.  I told Salfi to get the staff to look over the security.  By the time they'd reached any conclusions he was out the building.

There is a good part to the event.  The guy basically locked down and didn't put any money into future pots and seemed totally content to sit on the "winnings" until he felt he'd played long enough to be able to leave.  There were at least 3 hands in that period where he should've stacked me if he'd played his hands in anyway aggressively but instead failed to take more than a tenner each time.  So I probably came away better for it lol (or maybe he was just that shit and that's how he always played).

Anyway, thanks for the bashing, <3 the internet.



Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: MKKfish on November 02, 2009, 07:59:54 PM
To be honest there's a fair bit more info in Neptune's post than in OP and now reads somewhat differently.




I think it's the paragraphs.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: G1BTW on November 02, 2009, 08:10:41 PM
Guess I'll chime in as this thread is about me.

I think the comments that we turned down a dealer dealt game and hence it's not the casino's responsibility is stupid.  We're still paying a rake to the casino just a much lesser one and we are still in their environment and hence they have a responsibility towards me to protect me from being cheated by another customer.

obv seek legal advice but I suspect you may well be right in this. Ok there's the obvious contrast to everyone between playing against the house and getting cheated and playing against another punter, but I suspect you're protected. You sign up to play games in their premises under their management, it's reasonable to assume that they will monitor all games for fairness and have a reasonable duty of care to you to make sure you're not being scammed in this way.

A casino obv unlikely to admit liability to you, but they wouldn't, would they? Write to them about it, and use the word 'tort' a few times. I've been told this gets lawyers all 'jumpy'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tort


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: G1BTW on November 02, 2009, 08:17:33 PM
Negligence
A decomposed snail in Scotland was the humble beginning of the modern law of negligence


Negligence is a tort which depends on the existence of a breach of duty of care owed by one person to another. One well-known case is Donoghue v. Stevenson[6] where Mrs. Donoghue consumed part of a drink containing a decomposed snail while in a public bar in Paisley, Scotland and claimed that it had made her ill. The snail was not visible, as the bottle of ginger beer in which it was contained was opaque. Neither her friend, who bought it for her, nor the shopkeeper who sold it were aware of its presence. The manufacturer was Mr. Stevenson, whom Mrs. Donoghue sued for damages for negligence. She could not sue Mr. Stevenson for damages for breach of contract because there was no contract between them. The majority of the members of the House of Lords agreed (3-2) that Mrs. Donoghue had a valid claim, but disagreed as to why such a claim should exist. Lord MacMillan thought this should be treated as a new product liability case. Lord Atkin argued that the law should recognise a unifying principle that we owe a duty of reasonable care to our neighbors. He quoted the Bible in support of his argument, specifically the general principle that "thou shalt love thy neighbor." The elements of negligence are:

    * Duty of care
    * Breach of that duty
    * Breach being a proximate or not too remote a cause, in law
    * Breach causing harm in fact

If the casino bar served any snaily drinks at the same time they're totally screwed, basically.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 02, 2009, 09:36:58 PM
I just don't expect to get scammed in a casino these days

What??


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: turny on November 02, 2009, 11:21:31 PM
lol post on here, go out for a curry then return to find your post and the one you commented on deleted!

communism ftw


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: justadonk on November 19, 2009, 07:45:41 PM
I have been asked to post the Villians side in this sorry tale, this is what he asked me to post.

On the night in question I was in Leeds on business and decided to check out some of the action, there was a £30 ROE donkament at the casino, so I thought I would give it a spin whilst waiting to see if there were any cash tables going to open.   On small buy-ins like this I just like to have a banter, for me if i dont feel the pain of dropping a buyin then I dont play well. 

My normal game is £400 6 MAX PLO on Party, £200NL FULL RING Microgaming and £100 Heads Up NLHE on Stars.  This year  I am looking at profits of around £60k, I play 4 tables most of the time, I have also made two final tables in the $109 rebuy on stars.
The Hero is an online player who I have tangled with on IPOKER, however the Hero does not know who I am, what I can see is that his game play is Loose and has leaks, has he tends to overbet the turn with air and this was what I was hoping he would do live.  The Hero had been drinking at the table, so he seemed like a fish in waiting.We did not want to play a raked game, although I was happy to, as I knew the heros game inside out, but it was his choice to self deal, I took in total 3 buyins off him and the situation arose that when he went to get his second buyin I was in the flow of the game shuffling the cards, when he came back to the table I was still shuffling the cards and he forget to cut them, the Hero was drunk, so I can only put it down to this.  I did wind 3 hands a STR8, A set of Jacks and something else, as the time passed the Hero stopped 4 betting me and was happy to see a flop, which suited me as I had a train to get, so was happy to lock up my profits for the night.  I have spoken to the casinio and there is no evidence on tape of me working the deck, nor am I barred.  I have been playing Poker for ten years and know a lot of people on the circuit and none of them would have a bad word to say about me, including the ones who i have lend monies to to get cabs home when they go bust and never paid me back.




Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: phatomch on November 19, 2009, 08:13:08 PM
lol, get the banstick at the ready


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: jakally on November 19, 2009, 08:15:48 PM

Welcome to Blonde sir.
Can I just ask why he did not post himself?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: GreekStein on November 19, 2009, 08:18:56 PM
I have been asked to post the Villians side in this sorry tale, this is what he asked me to post.

On the night in question I was in Leeds on business and decided to check out some of the action, there was a £30 ROE donkament at the casino, so I thought I would give it a spin whilst waiting to see if there were any cash tables going to open.   On small buy-ins like this I just like to have a banter, for me if i dont feel the pain of dropping a buyin then I dont play well.  

My normal game is £400 6 MAX PLO on Party, £200NL FULL RING Microgaming and £100 Heads Up NLHE on Stars.  This year  I am looking at profits of around £60k, I play 4 tables most of the time, I have also made two final tables in the $109 rebuy on stars.
The Hero is an online player who I have tangled with on IPOKER, however the Hero does not know who I am, what I can see is that his game play is Loose and has leaks, has he tends to overbet the turn with air and this was what I was hoping he would do live.  The Hero had been drinking at the table, so he seemed like a fish in waiting.We did not want to play a raked game, although I was happy to, as I knew the heros game inside out, but it was his choice to self deal, I took in total 3 buyins off him and the situation arose that when he went to get his second buyin I was in the flow of the game shuffling the cards, when he came back to the table I was still shuffling the cards and he forget to cut them, the Hero was drunk, so I can only put it down to this.  I did wind 3 hands a STR8, A set of Jacks and something else, as the time passed the Hero stopped 4 betting me and was happy to see a flop, which suited me as I had a train to get, so was happy to lock up my profits for the night.  I have spoken to the casinio and there is no evidence on tape of me working the deck, nor am I barred.  I have been playing Poker for ten years and know a lot of people on the circuit and none of them would have a bad word to say about me, including the ones who i have lend monies to to get cabs home when they go bust and never paid me back.


this post is com.

Why couldn't villain post himself? Also, why didn't he put his name to this post?

Why should anyone care about how much money you are going to make online or what games you play? You forgot to tell us you have a 5 foot cock too.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: justadonk on November 19, 2009, 09:18:34 PM
The fact of the matter is this

1. Things were said about the Villan not only on this BB but others
2. There is NOTHING on TAPE to prove these claims
3. The villian is NOT banned from any LCI casino
4. The Villian just wanted to put his side of the story
5. There is history between the Villian and the Hero on Ipoker :)
6. The Hero was pissed and the Villian took advantage not by cheating but by giving him the respect a fish deserves, i.e. felting the mofo.
7. Jacks in preflop for 100 big blinds is pretty standard and 1 in 5 chances your aces will be cracked.

Maybe the fish needs to accept he was totally outplayed and outclassed and by overbetting the turn was playing his cards face up.   The Villan has offered this challenge to the fish.

4 tables HU on tilt @ 2/4, two of which can be NLHE and the other two can be PLO, 500 big blinds deep and play till the money has gone.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: outragous76 on November 19, 2009, 09:23:54 PM
Maybe he is timothy! (See tighty thread).

Would appear hero got owned!



Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Ironside on November 19, 2009, 09:24:00 PM
op is no longer able to access this thread


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Laxie on November 19, 2009, 09:25:04 PM
As neither the 'Hero' nor the 'Villain' are members of blonde, maybe you should be chasing each other around on ipoker to sort this because tbh...this thread caused us enough grief and I for one really don't care what either of them get up to.  Just do it somewhere else.  Kthx


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: mondatoo on November 19, 2009, 09:43:07 PM
Did i miss salfi getting banned again ?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Ironside on November 19, 2009, 09:44:34 PM
Did i miss salfi getting banned again ?

dont know did you miss it?

whhy do we get questions that we cant know the answers too


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: mondatoo on November 19, 2009, 09:47:44 PM
Did i miss salfi getting banned again ?

dont know did you miss it?

whhy do we get questions that we cant know the answers too

Eh,misread laxie's post as meaning hero not op who was salfi,not sure how you can't answer the question but ok


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Ironside on November 19, 2009, 09:51:18 PM
Did i miss salfi getting banned again ?

dont know did you miss it?

whhy do we get questions that we cant know the answers too

Eh,misread laxie's post as meaning hero not op who was salfi,not sure how you can't answer the question but ok

op hero and villian are not member of blonde


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 19, 2009, 10:07:34 PM
I have been asked to post the Villians side in this sorry tale, this is what he asked me to post.

On the night in question I was in Leeds on business and decided to check out some of the action, there was a £30 ROE donkament at the casino, so I thought I would give it a spin whilst waiting to see if there were any cash tables going to open.   On small buy-ins like this I just like to have a banter, for me if i dont feel the pain of dropping a buyin then I dont play well. 

My normal game is £400 6 MAX PLO on Party, £200NL FULL RING Microgaming and £100 Heads Up NLHE on Stars.  This year  I am looking at profits of around £60k, I play 4 tables most of the time, I have also made two final tables in the $109 rebuy on stars.
The Hero is an online player who I have tangled with on IPOKER, however the Hero does not know who I am, what I can see is that his game play is Loose and has leaks, has he tends to overbet the turn with air and this was what I was hoping he would do live.  The Hero had been drinking at the table, so he seemed like a fish in waiting.We did not want to play a raked game, although I was happy to, as I knew the heros game inside out, but it was his choice to self deal, I took in total 3 buyins off him and the situation arose that when he went to get his second buyin I was in the flow of the game shuffling the cards, when he came back to the table I was still shuffling the cards and he forget to cut them, the Hero was drunk, so I can only put it down to this.  I did wind 3 hands a STR8, A set of Jacks and something else, as the time passed the Hero stopped 4 betting me and was happy to see a flop, which suited me as I had a train to get, so was happy to lock up my profits for the night.  I have spoken to the casinio and there is no evidence on tape of me working the deck, nor am I barred.  I have been playing Poker for ten years and know a lot of people on the circuit and none of them would have a bad word to say about me, including the ones who i have lend monies to to get cabs home when they go bust and never paid me back.

I'll take 10% if this is a staking request


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 19, 2009, 10:08:35 PM
I have been asked to post the Villians side in this sorry tale, this is what he asked me to post.

On the night in question I was in Leeds on business and decided to check out some of the action, there was a £30 ROE donkament at the casino, so I thought I would give it a spin whilst waiting to see if there were any cash tables going to open.   On small buy-ins like this I just like to have a banter, for me if i dont feel the pain of dropping a buyin then I dont play well. 

My normal game is £400 6 MAX PLO on Party, £200NL FULL RING Microgaming and £100 Heads Up NLHE on Stars.  This year  I am looking at profits of around £60k, I play 4 tables most of the time, I have also made two final tables in the $109 rebuy on stars.
The Hero is an online player who I have tangled with on IPOKER, however the Hero does not know who I am, what I can see is that his game play is Loose and has leaks, has he tends to overbet the turn with air and this was what I was hoping he would do live.  The Hero had been drinking at the table, so he seemed like a fish in waiting.We did not want to play a raked game, although I was happy to, as I knew the heros game inside out, but it was his choice to self deal, I took in total 3 buyins off him and the situation arose that when he went to get his second buyin I was in the flow of the game shuffling the cards, when he came back to the table I was still shuffling the cards and he forget to cut them, the Hero was drunk, so I can only put it down to this.  I did wind 3 hands a STR8, A set of Jacks and something else, as the time passed the Hero stopped 4 betting me and was happy to see a flop, which suited me as I had a train to get, so was happy to lock up my profits for the night.  I have spoken to the casinio and there is no evidence on tape of me working the deck, nor am I barred.  I have been playing Poker for ten years and know a lot of people on the circuit and none of them would have a bad word to say about me, including the ones who i have lend monies to to get cabs home when they go bust and never paid me back.

I'll take 10% if this is a staking request

screen name plz!! would love to see hero schooled online!


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: BAM on November 19, 2009, 10:26:48 PM
I have been asked to post the Villians side in this sorry tale, this is what he asked me to post.

On the night in question I was in Leeds on business and decided to check out some of the action, there was a £30 ROE donkament at the casino, so I thought I would give it a spin whilst waiting to see if there were any cash tables going to open.   On small buy-ins like this I just like to have a banter, for me if i dont feel the pain of dropping a buyin then I dont play well. 

My normal game is £400 6 MAX PLO on Party, £200NL FULL RING Microgaming and £100 Heads Up NLHE on Stars.  This year  I am looking at profits of around £60k, I play 4 tables most of the time, I have also made two final tables in the $109 rebuy on stars.
The Hero is an online player who I have tangled with on IPOKER, however the Hero does not know who I am, what I can see is that his game play is Loose and has leaks, has he tends to overbet the turn with air and this was what I was hoping he would do live.  The Hero had been drinking at the table, so he seemed like a fish in waiting.We did not want to play a raked game, although I was happy to, as I knew the heros game inside out, but it was his choice to self deal, I took in total 3 buyins off him and the situation arose that when he went to get his second buyin I was in the flow of the game shuffling the cards, when he came back to the table I was still shuffling the cards and he forget to cut them, the Hero was drunk, so I can only put it down to this.  I did wind 3 hands a STR8, A set of Jacks and something else, as the time passed the Hero stopped 4 betting me and was happy to see a flop, which suited me as I had a train to get, so was happy to lock up my profits for the night.  I have spoken to the casinio and there is no evidence on tape of me working the deck, nor am I barred.  I have been playing Poker for ten years and know a lot of people on the circuit and none of them would have a bad word to say about me, including the ones who i have lend monies to to get cabs home when they go bust and never paid me back.

I'll take 10% if this is a staking request

more love here please


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Longy on November 20, 2009, 12:14:16 AM
Isn't the original hero Neptune aka Richard Hawes.

If I was to go bumhunting as "justadonk" suggest villian was in this case, my table selection would be slightly better than this.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: BulldozerD on November 20, 2009, 06:58:35 AM
tbh justadonk describes how the ROE was played that night. Even though i was there, i had no idea that shenanigans had occurred away from the tournament table.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 20, 2009, 10:22:35 AM
Isn't the original hero Neptune aka Richard Hawes.

If I was to go bumhunting as "justadonk" suggest villian was in this case, my table selection would be slightly better than this.

Have u seen Hawes when Drunk?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: justadonk on November 20, 2009, 12:00:34 PM
THIS SPEAKS VOLUMES


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 20, 2009, 12:03:09 PM
Lolz


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: justadonk on November 20, 2009, 12:24:36 PM
Could not resist this one.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Cf on November 20, 2009, 12:45:12 PM
Drop it...


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: GreekStein on November 20, 2009, 12:51:24 PM
take job


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Ironside on November 20, 2009, 12:55:55 PM
right the lot of you stop baiting or more coolers will be issued

the OP the vllian and the hero are not on the forum so let them sort out themselves


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 20, 2009, 12:58:29 PM
Delete thread IMO


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: pleno1 on November 20, 2009, 01:02:11 PM
Delete thread IMO

if you dont like gtfo imo. com thread. keep going imo.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Horneris on November 20, 2009, 01:05:02 PM
Paint skills 1/10.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 20, 2009, 01:09:45 PM
Delete thread IMO

if you dont like gtfo imo. com thread. keep going imo.

i like the thread just dont want a ban for saying summet!

ony way mods gonna not ban people is to remove the thread!


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Cf on November 20, 2009, 01:26:42 PM
Delete thread IMO

if you dont like gtfo imo. com thread. keep going imo.

i like the thread just dont want a ban for saying summet!

ony way mods gonna not ban people is to remove the thread!

Then don't post something that warrants a ban... not difficult.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 20, 2009, 01:32:44 PM
Delete thread IMO

if you dont like gtfo imo. com thread. keep going imo.

i like the thread just dont want a ban for saying summet!

ony way mods gonna not ban people is to remove the thread!

Then don't post something that warrants a ban... not difficult.

stop telling people to drop it! dont read! not difficult!!


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 20, 2009, 01:36:23 PM
Going back to the start to catch up.

Will get my self banned shortly.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 20, 2009, 01:38:50 PM
More from just a donk plz!


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: GreekStein on November 20, 2009, 02:22:30 PM
Delete thread IMO

if you dont like gtfo imo. com thread. keep going imo.

i like the thread just dont want a ban for saying summet!

ony way mods gonna not ban people is to remove the thread!

Then don't post something that warrants a ban... not difficult.

Exactly Charles! I mean who on earth would post something ban worthy on this thread?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: justadonk on November 20, 2009, 02:51:40 PM
I am totally lost, what ever happened to free speech.  I mean the Villan was slandered on this forum and has every right to defend himself, you have to understand this is the talk of every card room in leeds at the moment.  To put an end to this once and for all and I quote the villan.

"Poker is a game of skill with an element of luck, I have a history of playing with the hero and have owned him on Ipoker and feel that my skills are far greater than his both in HU NLE AND HU PLO.  I am not a sponsered player as I have never felt the need to give up any of my action as a winning player at the levels that I play, as this is a -ev.  I am willing to play a HU ROE cash game, LIVE in any casino in Leeds or London on the following terms, we sit down with 10k, with blinds of £10/£20 and play until one person has all the cash, or as an alternative I will play a 7 game mix, this will be the choice of the Hero, the hero is small stakes grinder who plays a number of donkaments, which conceeded he does appear to have a degree of sucess in these, however I own his cash game and I am willing to put my money where my mouth is on this one.  I am sure that some of his friends at BBP will buy some of his action if he feels he cant afford to sit down.  I am ready, lets roll."


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: BulldozerD on November 20, 2009, 02:56:14 PM
who is villain and who is hero - i am confused now


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: thetank on November 20, 2009, 02:57:10 PM
Friends?

His read is a bit off.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: George2Loose on November 20, 2009, 03:02:19 PM
I still think Richard was naive. Like he says, as long as he learns from it.....


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 20, 2009, 03:05:50 PM
who is villain and who is hero - i am confused now

hero is Richard Hawes!

Villain we donk know his name but is a friend of justadonk


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: AceofWands on November 20, 2009, 03:06:53 PM
If the guy is issuing challenges I think he really needs to identify himself to be taken seriously.  I presume that justadonk is probably one and the same person.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: George2Loose on November 20, 2009, 03:08:17 PM
who is villain and who is hero - i am confused now

hero is Richard Hawes!

Villain we donk know his name but is a friend of justadonk

Yeh I know.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Beaver808 on November 20, 2009, 03:16:24 PM
The villain must be Isldur1 > anonymity FTW!!


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: GreekStein on November 20, 2009, 03:19:01 PM
He's issuing challenges like he's durrr.

How about you post your NAME?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: outragous76 on November 20, 2009, 03:35:21 PM
Greekstein vs villain HU in london to bring an end to all HU challenges

Self deal imo


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: The Camel on November 20, 2009, 03:36:44 PM
Who is salfi?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 20, 2009, 03:46:47 PM
Who is salfi?

Salfi the OP is Heros friend!


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: BulldozerD on November 20, 2009, 03:47:48 PM
Who is salfi?

The OP and hero's spokesperson it seems


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Colchester Kev on November 20, 2009, 03:47:58 PM
Justadonk ... B A N N E D


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: outragous76 on November 20, 2009, 03:49:15 PM
Sigh!

Was getting funny. Handbags online!


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 20, 2009, 03:51:18 PM
Justadonk ... B A N N E D

It wont be long before its just me left  :D


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 20, 2009, 04:01:59 PM
I am totally lost, what ever happened to free speech.  I mean the Villan was slandered on this forum and has every right to defend himself, you have to understand this is the talk of every card room in leeds at the moment.  To put an end to this once and for all and I quote the villan.

"Poker is a game of skill with an element of luck, I have a history of playing with the hero and have owned him on Ipoker and feel that my skills are far greater than his both in HU NLE AND HU PLO.  I am not a sponsered player as I have never felt the need to give up any of my action as a winning player at the levels that I play, as this is a -ev.  I am willing to play a HU ROE cash game, LIVE in any casino in Leeds or London on the following terms, we sit down with 10k, with blinds of £10/£20 and play until one person has all the cash, or as an alternative I will play a 7 game mix, this will be the choice of the Hero, the hero is small stakes grinder who plays a number of donkaments, which conceeded he does appear to have a degree of sucess in these, however I own his cash game and I am willing to put my money where my mouth is on this one.  I am sure that some of his friends at BBP will buy some of his action if he feels he cant afford to sit down.  I am ready, lets roll."

"poker is a game of skill with an element of luck".

thx for that Justadonk.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 20, 2009, 04:03:51 PM
Justadonk ... B A N N E D


DELETE THE THREAD



Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 20, 2009, 04:06:07 PM
Justadonk ... B A N N E D


DELETE THE THREAD



BAN GIRGY


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: George2Loose on November 20, 2009, 04:06:30 PM


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: booder on November 20, 2009, 04:07:50 PM


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Colchester Kev on November 20, 2009, 04:08:03 PM


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 20, 2009, 04:09:29 PM

You updating this weekend Kev?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: mondatoo on November 20, 2009, 04:09:46 PM
FYP


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: GreekStein on November 20, 2009, 04:14:51 PM


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Colchester Kev on November 20, 2009, 04:15:44 PM

No updates this weekend bud.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: TightEnd on November 20, 2009, 04:15:48 PM
Richard "Insta Ban and Insta Delete" Prew has banned Girgy


Next?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: George2Loose on November 20, 2009, 04:16:15 PM


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 20, 2009, 04:18:13 PM
Richard "Insta Ban and Insta Delete" Prew has banned Girgy


Next?

you sure have!


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: pleno1 on November 20, 2009, 04:18:57 PM
y did justadonk get banned?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: mondatoo on November 20, 2009, 04:24:45 PM
y did justadonk get banned?

Coz he was justadouche

 ;hide; ;marks;


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: TightEnd on November 20, 2009, 04:27:18 PM
y did justadonk get banned?

He posted flaming and insulting comments on this thread, now deleted


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 20, 2009, 04:40:40 PM

That is a shame sir


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: The Camel on November 20, 2009, 06:50:59 PM
Who is salfi?

Salfi the OP is Heros friend!

I know Salfi is the OP.

But what is his name?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: BAM on November 20, 2009, 07:05:31 PM
Who is salfi?

Salfi the OP is Heros friend!

I know Salfi is the OP.

But what is his name?

Jon Salfi


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 20, 2009, 07:06:17 PM
Who is salfi?

Salfi the OP is Heros friend!

I know Salfi is the OP.

But what is his name?

erm the names Salfi

Jonny Salfi!


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Royal Flush on November 20, 2009, 07:10:06 PM
Everyone in this thread just sounds clueless, pretty com though.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: The Camel on November 20, 2009, 07:23:35 PM
Who is salfi?

Salfi the OP is Heros friend!

I know Salfi is the OP.

But what is his name?

erm the names Salfi

Jonny Salfi!

Is English his first language?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 20, 2009, 07:28:39 PM
Who is salfi?

Salfi the OP is Heros friend!

I know Salfi is the OP.

But what is his name?

erm the names Salfi

Jonny Salfi!

Is English his first language?

born and bred in Bradford!


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: G1BTW on November 20, 2009, 07:28:57 PM
Is he ok? Looks pretty  :'( :'( from his blog.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: G1BTW on November 20, 2009, 07:29:27 PM

So that's a 'no' then...


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Girgy85 on November 20, 2009, 07:31:24 PM
Is he ok? Looks pretty  :'( :'( from his blog.

Hes not posted since the 9th! Hope he is OK


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: The Camel on November 20, 2009, 07:49:08 PM
Link to blog?


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: Cf on November 20, 2009, 08:24:34 PM
Link to blog?

google salfi poker blog


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: maldini32 on November 20, 2009, 08:28:39 PM

I lol'd


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: The Camel on November 20, 2009, 08:55:18 PM
You would have thought one of the main attributes you need to write a blog is the ability to write.


Title: Re: alea cheating . its just tough luck to the victim is this standard?
Post by: henrik777 on November 20, 2009, 09:07:09 PM
You would have thought one of the main attributes you need to write a blog is the ability to write.

A computer is a bit more desirable than a pen/pencil.

Sandy