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Title: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: paulhouk03 on November 03, 2009, 01:11:14 PM
not too many reads on the table.

your stack £40
we have  7h 8h
6 way on the flop all calling 3£

flop comes 2h 3h Ahrt

sb bets 7£
utg+1 (the lady hasnt played a hand yet) insta jams for £30
utg+2 rejams after thinking 5 secs for £45  

could you ever fold here?
you also have 2 more ppl behind you.
would there ever be a situation when you can fold?

say u were 300 bbs deep

and both utg+1,+2 jammed for 200 bbs each


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: poonjoe on November 03, 2009, 03:40:15 PM
Instant fold.

The action sez you're drawing dead.

Best case scenario is yr up against something like a set of 3s and the nut flush draw where you will have 42%. When yr 8-high flush is winning you don't have a lock on the hand.


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: EvilPie on November 03, 2009, 03:47:30 PM
Fist pump jam 100% of the time.

300 bbs deep there's going to be more action to get a feel of what you're up against.

Action pre likely to be different as well so very difficult to say.


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: gatso on November 03, 2009, 03:51:37 PM
lol at the thought of ever folding here for 37 quid


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: KarmaDope on November 03, 2009, 04:03:35 PM
use your right hand to push the £37 in chips into the middle whilst using your left hand to get another buyin out. You cant pass but as said, are probably 60/40 at best.


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: Leatherman on November 03, 2009, 05:19:07 PM
Easy fold...lol


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: BulldozerD on November 03, 2009, 05:29:17 PM
if you are shortstacking 40bb and playing hands like 78s then this flop is gold, if not then fold preflop


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: marcin123 on November 03, 2009, 05:36:08 PM
If I'm deeper I'm folding...


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: MC on November 03, 2009, 06:34:50 PM
lol at the thought of ever folding here for 37 quid

+1

Never folding here. Deeper stacks and it's a different story...


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 03, 2009, 07:12:25 PM
if you are shortstacking 40bb and playing hands like 78s then this flop is gold, if not then fold preflop

This is your shortstacking for a reason, the reason is never folding this flop.

Plus why would you ever fold a runner runner straight flush draw for £37


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: poonjoe on November 04, 2009, 04:09:13 PM
I'm surprised that so many posters are saying can't fold, the action in this hand is so strong. A 6-way flop, first to act leads £7 into £18 (must have something), a woman who hasn't played a hand 'insta-jams' for £30 (very strong) and the next player jams £45 (very strong).

The players in these £.50/1 games are usually loose with £1 but tight with their whole stacks, and three players have shown a lot of strength, with players yet to act behind.

Also I don't understand how 40bb is a short-stack?


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: kinboshi on November 04, 2009, 04:13:02 PM
I'm surprised that so many posters are saying can't fold, the action in this hand is so strong. A 6-way flop, first to act leads £7 into £18 (must have something), a woman who hasn't played a hand 'insta-jams' for £30 (very strong) and the next player jams £45 (very strong).

The players in these £.50/1 games are usually loose with £1 but tight with their whole stacks, and three players have shown a lot of strength, with players yet to act behind.

Also I don't understand how 40bb is a short-stack?

You jest, surely?  40xBBs is a short stack, you can't raise and then fold with most hands that you're going to be raising with.  A bet on a flop is going to see you committed to the hand.

As you're short-stacking and willing to play 7h 8h what flop do you want to see!


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: titaniumbean on November 04, 2009, 04:24:22 PM
Hi, I have a flush i'd like to bet 40 pounds sterling please. tavm.

;sexybanana;


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: kinboshi on November 04, 2009, 04:34:33 PM
Hi, I have a flush i'd like to bet 40 pounds sterling please, and then open fold. tavm.

;sexybanana;

FYP


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: 810ofclubs on November 04, 2009, 04:44:37 PM
Hi, I have a flush i'd like to bet 40 pounds sterling please. tavm.

;sexybanana;

wp 40bb ftw


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: paulhouk03 on November 04, 2009, 07:38:57 PM
LOL
It wasnt me in the hand

but the guy tanked for 5 mins then he decided to call made me lol for a while.

well the sb had A3
utg +1 had 45os
utg +2 had 33
and a lp dude had QQ with a heart

lol at ppl saying fold.


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: poonjoe on November 04, 2009, 07:50:23 PM
lol at people saying fold because this time the flush was good?

Am I on my own here? Am I the only one who would consider folding ????


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: BulldozerD on November 04, 2009, 07:52:09 PM
40 bigs is shortstacking in a low limit live cash games, where 6x opens are common


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: StuartHopkin on November 05, 2009, 12:50:15 AM
lol at people saying fold because this time the flush was good?

Am I on my own here? Am I the only one who would consider folding ????

Joe if your playing that stack and calling the raise you cannot fold this flop even if extra people join the table with their own deck of cards and shove before you.


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: paulhouk03 on November 05, 2009, 01:42:35 AM
lol at people saying fold because this time the flush was good?

Am I on my own here? Am I the only one who would consider folding ????
The reason why i would not fold is that he only have 40 bbs
you cant afford to see many flops and fold when you miss or when things get funky

you have hit this flop pretty hard
so you have to shove your chips in as fast as you can


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: ScottMGee on November 05, 2009, 11:26:29 AM
Quote
The reason why i would not fold is that he only have 40 bbs
you cant afford to see many flops and fold when you miss or when things get funky

you have hit this flop pretty hard
so you have to shove your chips in as fast as you can

+1


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: poonjoe on November 05, 2009, 03:15:03 PM
OK then fair enough

Funnily enough I was dealing the £.50/1 last night when a pot was raised to £4, five or six way all-spade flop, small blind bets out, raise and re-raise then he folds an eight-high flush... and it was the best hand.

The small blind was sitting with £100 but he couldn't believe it when an overpair and some other non-flush hand were shown down.

Perhaps I've been playing too much Omaha?

I do maintain that £40 is not a short stack on the £.50/1 game. Preflop raise is usually £3 or £4, even after some limpers. You could happily set-mine with a stack of £40 in this game, and you could raise preflop and bet every street. Thats not a short stack.

In my mind a short stack is a good size for 3-bet shoving preflop, or raising then having one bet on the flop. Now if you're sitting on a £1/2 game with £80, and the preflop action goes raise to £7, call-call-call-call, or raise to £12, call-call, you definitely have a short stack because there's no way you can profitably peel a flop with a speculative hand, and you have a good stack for making a profitable shove.

So it depends on the game rather than just saying '40bb is a short stack'.


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: Pyso on November 05, 2009, 06:47:46 PM
40BB is the equivalent to a 4 inch penis.

Pretty useless, and you usually have to shove it in and hope for the best


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: paulhouk03 on November 05, 2009, 07:02:51 PM
OK then fair enough

Funnily enough I was dealing the £.50/1 last night when a pot was raised to £4, five or six way all-spade flop, small blind bets out, raise and re-raise then he folds an eight-high flush... and it was the best hand.

The small blind was sitting with £100 but he couldn't believe it when an overpair and some other non-flush hand were shown down.

Perhaps I've been playing too much Omaha?

I do maintain that £40 is not a short stack on the £.50/1 game. Preflop raise is usually £3 or £4, even after some limpers. You could happily set-mine with a stack of £40 in this game, and you could raise preflop and bet every street. Thats not a short stack.

In my mind a short stack is a good size for 3-bet shoving preflop, or raising then having one bet on the flop. Now if you're sitting on a £1/2 game with £80, and the preflop action goes raise to £7, call-call-call-call, or raise to £12, call-call, you definitely have a short stack because there's no way you can profitably peel a flop with a speculative hand, and you have a good stack for making a profitable shove.

So it depends on the game rather than just saying '40bb is a short stack'.
where do you work?

I dont see many places which raise 3x or 4x
its normally limp or 6x to 12x pre.
But I normally play at the casino in salford.


Title: Re: cash 50p £1 would you ever fold?
Post by: poonjoe on November 05, 2009, 07:46:31 PM
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