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Title: Top Bottom Post by: MC on November 11, 2009, 10:58:08 PM Is this a fist-pump shove or a tricky spot?
The guy who shoved had over aggressive stats, over 52 hands he was 38/23, I felt this contributed to the decision. $6.50 buy-in perhaps is a factor as well (45 man tourney). PokerStars Game #35205593736: Tournament #211540566, $6.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2009/11/11 12:29:27 WET [2009/11/11 7:29:27 ET] Table '211540566 2' 9-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: ilkata30 (2780 in chips) Seat 2: stbeno (3638 in chips) Seat 3: SIKRTHANSIK (8030 in chips) Seat 4: epitomised (2460 in chips) Seat 5: brainplay666 (4597 in chips) Seat 6: marcoO54 (1830 in chips) Seat 7: kai09 (3135 in chips) Seat 8: temp3r (1445 in chips) Seat 9: Samsdings (1375 in chips) is sitting out ilkata30: posts the ante 25 stbeno: posts the ante 25 SIKRTHANSIK: posts the ante 25 epitomised: posts the ante 25 brainplay666: posts the ante 25 marcoO54: posts the ante 25 kai09: posts the ante 25 temp3r: posts the ante 25 Samsdings: posts the ante 25 epitomised: posts small blind 100 brainplay666: posts big blind 200 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to epitomised [9s Ks] marcoO54: calls 200 kai09: calls 200 temp3r: folds Samsdings: folds ilkata30: folds stbeno: calls 200 SIKRTHANSIK: folds epitomised: calls 100 brainplay666: checks *** FLOP *** [Jh 9d Kc] epitomised: checks brainplay666: checks marcoO54: bets 400 kai09: calls 400 Samsdings has returned stbeno: raises 3013 to 3413 and is all-in epitomised: Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: NoflopsHomer on November 11, 2009, 11:16:04 PM Bet/call flop imo.
As played, high-five the dealer... Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: paulhouk03 on November 12, 2009, 02:30:11 AM Slow roll him
and fist pump whilst your timing down Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: kinboshi on November 12, 2009, 09:06:51 AM Damn, thought this thread was going to be about Shakira.
I lead out on the flop too, but you're definitely not laying this down here. Shove it in and think of Shakira... Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: GreekStein on November 12, 2009, 09:32:56 AM Problem is James he does this with hands ur crushing like AK, KQ, K10 J9, 108, possibly even spazzing a little with J10, JQ that we can't ever pass here. Sure sometimes we'll get shown KJ or 10Q but I think we have to call quickly
Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: MC on November 12, 2009, 09:39:36 AM Totally agree, but I'm not so much worried about the aggressive guy's single hand, but a combination of the three hands out there...
Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: MC on November 12, 2009, 09:48:32 AM Shakira Shakira ;sexybanana;
PokerStars Game #35205593736: Tournament #211540566, $6.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2009/11/11 12:29:27 WET [2009/11/11 7:29:27 ET] Table '211540566 2' 9-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: ilkata30 (2780 in chips) Seat 2: stbeno (3638 in chips) Seat 3: SIKRTHANSIK (8030 in chips) Seat 4: epitomised (2460 in chips) Seat 5: brainplay666 (4597 in chips) Seat 6: marcoO54 (1830 in chips) Seat 7: kai09 (3135 in chips) Seat 8: temp3r (1445 in chips) Seat 9: Samsdings (1375 in chips) is sitting out ilkata30: posts the ante 25 stbeno: posts the ante 25 SIKRTHANSIK: posts the ante 25 epitomised: posts the ante 25 brainplay666: posts the ante 25 marcoO54: posts the ante 25 kai09: posts the ante 25 temp3r: posts the ante 25 Samsdings: posts the ante 25 epitomised: posts small blind 100 brainplay666: posts big blind 200 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to epitomised [9s Ks] marcoO54: calls 200 kai09: calls 200 temp3r: folds Samsdings: folds ilkata30: folds stbeno: calls 200 SIKRTHANSIK: folds epitomised: calls 100 brainplay666: checks *** FLOP *** [Jh 9d Kc] epitomised: checks brainplay666: checks marcoO54: bets 400 kai09: calls 400 Samsdings has returned stbeno: raises 3013 to 3413 and is all-in epitomised: calls 2235 and is all-in brainplay666: folds marcoO54: calls 1205 and is all-in kai09: calls 2510 and is all-in Uncalled bet (503) returned to stbeno *** TURN *** [Jh 9d Kc] [2h] *** RIVER *** [Jh 9d Kc 2h] [8s] *** SHOW DOWN *** kai09: shows [Qh Kh] (a pair of Kings) stbeno: shows [Qs Kd] (a pair of Kings) kai09 collected 675 from side pot-2 stbeno collected 675 from side pot-2 epitomised: shows [9s Ks] (two pair, Kings and Nines) epitomised collected 1890 from side pot-1 marcoO54: shows [Ad Ahrt] (a pair of Aces) epitomised collected 7645 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 10885 Main pot 7645. Side pot-1 1890. Side pot-2 1350. | Rake 0 Board [Jh 9d Kc 2h 8s] Seat 1: ilkata30 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: stbeno showed [Qs Kd] and won (675) with a pair of Kings Seat 3: SIKRTHANSIK (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: epitomised (small blind) showed [9s Ks] and won (9535) with two pair, Kings and Nines Seat 5: brainplay666 (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 6: marcoO54 showed [Ad Ahrt] and lost with a pair of Aces Seat 7: kai09 showed [Qh Kh] and won (675) with a pair of Kings Seat 8: temp3r folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: Samsdings folded before Flop (didn't bet) Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: marcin123 on November 12, 2009, 12:38:58 PM Shakira Shakira ;sexybanana; PokerStars Game #35205593736: Tournament #211540566, $6.00+$0.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (100/200) - 2009/11/11 12:29:27 WET [2009/11/11 7:29:27 ET] Table '211540566 2' 9-max Seat #3 is the button Seat 1: ilkata30 (2780 in chips) Seat 2: stbeno (3638 in chips) Seat 3: SIKRTHANSIK (8030 in chips) Seat 4: epitomised (2460 in chips) Seat 5: brainplay666 (4597 in chips) Seat 6: marcoO54 (1830 in chips) Seat 7: kai09 (3135 in chips) Seat 8: temp3r (1445 in chips) Seat 9: Samsdings (1375 in chips) is sitting out ilkata30: posts the ante 25 stbeno: posts the ante 25 SIKRTHANSIK: posts the ante 25 epitomised: posts the ante 25 brainplay666: posts the ante 25 marcoO54: posts the ante 25 kai09: posts the ante 25 temp3r: posts the ante 25 Samsdings: posts the ante 25 epitomised: posts small blind 100 brainplay666: posts big blind 200 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to epitomised [9s Ks] marcoO54: calls 200 kai09: calls 200 temp3r: folds Samsdings: folds ilkata30: folds stbeno: calls 200 SIKRTHANSIK: folds epitomised: calls 100 brainplay666: checks *** FLOP *** [Jh 9d Kc] epitomised: checks brainplay666: checks marcoO54: bets 400 kai09: calls 400 Samsdings has returned stbeno: raises 3013 to 3413 and is all-in epitomised: calls 2235 and is all-in brainplay666: folds marcoO54: calls 1205 and is all-in kai09: calls 2510 and is all-in Uncalled bet (503) returned to stbeno *** TURN *** [Jh 9d Kc] [2h] *** RIVER *** [Jh 9d Kc 2h] [8s] *** SHOW DOWN *** kai09: shows [Qh Kh] (a pair of Kings) stbeno: shows [Qs Kd] (a pair of Kings) kai09 collected 675 from side pot-2 stbeno collected 675 from side pot-2 epitomised: shows [9s Ks] (two pair, Kings and Nines) epitomised collected 1890 from side pot-1 marcoO54: shows [Ad Ahrt] (a pair of Aces) epitomised collected 7645 from main pot *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 10885 Main pot 7645. Side pot-1 1890. Side pot-2 1350. | Rake 0 Board [Jh 9d Kc 2h 8s] Seat 1: ilkata30 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 2: stbeno showed [Qs Kd] and won (675) with a pair of Kings Seat 3: SIKRTHANSIK (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: epitomised (small blind) showed [9s Ks] and won (9535) with two pair, Kings and Nines Seat 5: brainplay666 (big blind) folded on the Flop Seat 6: marcoO54 showed [Ad Ahrt] and lost with a pair of Aces Seat 7: kai09 showed [Qh Kh] and won (675) with a pair of Kings Seat 8: temp3r folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: Samsdings folded before Flop (didn't bet) Nice dodge... Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: Longy on November 12, 2009, 01:23:19 PM I am not sure I like completing here tbh, I know we are getting a million to one pre but it is not going to be easy to play post flop unless we make 2pr+ and I am not sure we are getting big enough implied odds for that.
Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: GreekStein on November 12, 2009, 02:42:22 PM I am not sure I like completing here tbh, I know we are getting a million to one pre but it is not going to be easy to play post flop unless we make 2pr+ and I am not sure we are getting big enough implied odds for that. bah, we has a king and a nine and they is soooted. Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: MC on November 12, 2009, 03:31:30 PM I am not sure I like completing here tbh, I know we are getting a million to one pre but it is not going to be easy to play post flop unless we make 2pr+ and I am not sure we are getting big enough implied odds for that. bah, we has a king and a nine and they is soooted. +1 I see your point with K9 off but surely this is a standard complete Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: thetank on November 12, 2009, 05:21:54 PM Standard fold pre for me but I don't play with antes so not sure how that fusses things up.
Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: ViiperUK on November 12, 2009, 08:01:50 PM Standard fold pre for me but I don't play with antes so not sure how that fusses things up. nah i gotta agree with cos its K 9 sooted! and not just any soot! now if it was K 9 green i might fold coz i dont like greens xD Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: kinboshi on November 12, 2009, 08:04:51 PM Standard fold pre for me but I don't play with antes so not sure how that fusses things up. nah i gotta agree with cos its K 9 sooted! and not just any soot! now if it was K 9 green i might fold coz i dont like greens xD Such bad advice. How could you even consider folding two green cards? Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: ViiperUK on November 12, 2009, 08:19:19 PM Standard fold pre for me but I don't play with antes so not sure how that fusses things up. nah i gotta agree with cos its K 9 sooted! and not just any soot! now if it was K 9 green i might fold coz i dont like greens xD Such bad advice. How could you even consider folding two green cards? lol if it was blue i'd snap shove pre but i just dont like the greens xD Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: MANTIS01 on November 12, 2009, 08:57:36 PM I am not sure I like completing here tbh, I know we are getting a million to one pre but it is not going to be easy to play post flop unless we make 2pr+ and I am not sure we are getting big enough implied odds for that. Yes, and we could also take out our pipe and put on our slippers and just happily sit in our rocking chair instead of playing poker. Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: Longy on November 13, 2009, 12:36:54 AM I am not sure I like completing here tbh, I know we are getting a million to one pre but it is not going to be easy to play post flop unless we make 2pr+ and I am not sure we are getting big enough implied odds for that. Yes, and we could also take out our pipe and put on our slippers and just happily sit in our rocking chair instead of playing poker. Lol ok Mantis, have you got anything useful to contribute? Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: GreekStein on November 13, 2009, 11:26:03 AM I am not sure I like completing here tbh, I know we are getting a million to one pre but it is not going to be easy to play post flop unless we make 2pr+ and I am not sure we are getting big enough implied odds for that. Yes, and we could also take out our pipe and put on our slippers and just happily sit in our rocking chair instead of playing poker. Lol ok Mantis, have you got anything useful to contribute? LOL this is Mantis and PHA....of course not. Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: Cf on November 13, 2009, 11:27:32 AM Standard fold pre for me but I don't play with antes so not sure how that fusses things up. nah i gotta agree with cos its K 9 sooted! and not just any soot! now if it was K 9 green i might fold coz i dont like greens xD Such bad advice. How could you even consider folding two green cards? i just dont like the greens xD ban Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: Cf on November 13, 2009, 11:27:53 AM And fwiw, I'm a massive small blind nit and even I complete here.
Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: StuartHopkin on November 13, 2009, 12:27:36 PM Lolaments
Pretty sure this is a fold pre, yeah MC got paid here but we need to flop the world AND everyone needs a piece of it to. I dont think a forum ban is harsh enough for Viiper! He should be exciled from poker forever for his blasphemy. Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: GreekStein on November 13, 2009, 12:29:26 PM Lolaments Pretty sure this is a fold pre, yeah MC got paid here but we need to flop the world AND everyone needs a piece of it to. I dont think a forum ban is harsh enough for Viiper! He should be exciled from poker forever for his blasphemy. LOOOOOOOOOOL have u fk ever folded K9 suited pre in your life!!! Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: StuartHopkin on November 13, 2009, 12:33:48 PM Lolaments Pretty sure this is a fold pre, yeah MC got paid here but we need to flop the world AND everyone needs a piece of it to. I dont think a forum ban is harsh enough for Viiper! He should be exciled from poker forever for his blasphemy. LOOOOOOOOOOL have u fk ever folded K9 suited pre in your life!!! I fooooookin have After many a discussion with the pieman I blame him for my nittyness He destroyed all my small blind fun :'( Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: ViiperUK on November 13, 2009, 01:11:30 PM Lolaments Pretty sure this is a fold pre, yeah MC got paid here but we need to flop the world AND everyone needs a piece of it to. I dont think a forum ban is harsh enough for Viiper! He should be exciled from poker forever for his blasphemy. /cry :(:(:( Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: MANTIS01 on November 13, 2009, 01:36:16 PM I really don't think we need to flop the world to get paid in a $6.50 game. It's 100 chips into a 1200 chip pot in a game where our skills are light years ahead of our vacant headed oppos. Yeah MC gets paid, course he does. He gets paid like 100x what he invested. Now he can use those chips and his superior mad skillz to piss all over this game. Saving the hundo is correct at this level? Is it bollox. Oh and my valid contribution to this thread is don't call pre if you don't slam dunk a K-9 flop. That would be proper pointless.
Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: StuartHopkin on November 13, 2009, 01:45:07 PM I really don't think we need to flop the world to get paid in a $6.50 game. It's 100 chips into a 1200 chip pot in a game where our skills are light years ahead of our vacant headed oppos. Yeah MC gets paid, course he does. He gets paid like 100x what he invested. Now he can use those chips and his superior mad skillz to piss all over this game. Saving the hundo is correct at this level? Is it bollox. Oh and my valid contribution to this thread is don't call pre if you don't slam dunk a K-9 flop. That would be proper pointless. So your getting your stack in with less than 2 pair against 3 oppos? Personally I think saving the hundo isnt ovely important at this level, i just dont want to throw in 4000 hundos waiting for this to happen again. Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: MANTIS01 on November 13, 2009, 02:03:27 PM I really don't think we need to flop the world to get paid in a $6.50 game. It's 100 chips into a 1200 chip pot in a game where our skills are light years ahead of our vacant headed oppos. Yeah MC gets paid, course he does. He gets paid like 100x what he invested. Now he can use those chips and his superior mad skillz to piss all over this game. Saving the hundo is correct at this level? Is it bollox. Oh and my valid contribution to this thread is don't call pre if you don't slam dunk a K-9 flop. That would be proper pointless. So your getting your stack in with less than 2 pair against 3 oppos? Personally I think saving the hundo isnt ovely important at this level, i just dont want to throw in 4000 hundos waiting for this to happen again. We don't know we're gonna get 3-way jamming action post flop pre flop do we now. The hundo is just to see if any opportunities develop. Like I say we should be good enough not to spew our stacks away without a hand post flop, unlike our inferior oppos. We want to see flops against these guys to take advantage of that difference in ability. And the profits from this hand mean we can now afford to see flops in this spot until 2013. Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: thetank on November 13, 2009, 03:36:24 PM So we just totally ignore reverse implied oddaments.
The players may be shit, but we're hardly 100 big blinds deep and you're talking like they just have one card each. Over estimating one's post flop edge and playing too loose pre in these $6.50s can never be good. Most of the edge comes pre imo Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: MANTIS01 on November 13, 2009, 05:25:24 PM It's hard to imagine what range it would be correct to complete with then. Every hand apart from pp's offer us only a small % of flopped success. And a super tight completion range doesn't seem right, or fun actually. Folding here is like looking out of the window when you were young and watching all the other kids playing in the snow. You have to stay indoors cos your mum said it was cold and you could catch some sniffles.
Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: StuartHopkin on November 13, 2009, 05:27:27 PM It's hard to imagine what range it would be correct to complete with then. Every hand apart from pp's offer us only a small % of flopped success. And a super tight completion range doesn't seem right, or fun actually. Folding here is like looking out of the window when you were young and watching all the other kids playing in the snow. You have to stay indoors cos your mum said it was cold and you could catch some sniffles. Lol No one said its not fun No one said we dont all do it Its just -ev Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: Longy on November 13, 2009, 06:58:08 PM It's hard to imagine what range it would be correct to complete with then. Every hand apart from pp's offer us only a small % of flopped success. And a super tight completion range doesn't seem right, or fun actually. Folding here is like looking out of the window when you were young and watching all the other kids playing in the snow. You have to stay indoors cos your mum said it was cold and you could catch some sniffles. MC sure was doing this as he 20 tables. Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: MC on November 14, 2009, 12:35:16 AM Folding here is like looking out of the window when you were young and watching all the other kids playing in the snow. You have to stay indoors cos your mum said it was cold and you could catch some sniffles. I'm briefly checking Blonde in bed on my iPhone (sad I know) and I'm consequently laughing out loud as quietly as possible so as not to wake the baby after just reading that!!! Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: Royal Flush on November 14, 2009, 01:06:43 AM lol if it was blue i'd snap shove pre but i just dont like the greens xD Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: thetank on November 14, 2009, 01:22:06 AM People play online poker for fun?
Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: ViiperUK on November 14, 2009, 11:28:14 AM lol if it was blue i'd snap shove pre but i just dont like the greens xD Sorry Sir :( Title: Re: Top Bottom Post by: poonjoe on November 16, 2009, 12:02:32 AM It's hard to imagine what range it would be correct to complete with then. Every hand apart from pp's offer us only a small % of flopped success. And a super tight completion range doesn't seem right, or fun actually. Folding here is like looking out of the window when you were young and watching all the other kids playing in the snow. You have to stay indoors cos your mum said it was cold and you could catch some sniffles. Lol No one said its not fun No one said we dont all do it Its just -ev Please explain to me how this is '-EV' |