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Title: Speech play ok?
Post by: ACE2M on November 14, 2009, 04:16:01 PM
Hand goes like this

Player A and player b see the flop with 2 or 3 others

Player A holds  Qd 8h
Player B holds   Ahrt 4h

Flop =  Qh Qs 5h

Player A bets and Player B calls - others drop out

Turn makes it =  Qh Qs 5h  6h

Player A checks
Player B bets 2/3 of pot
Player A calls

River makes it = Qh Qs 5h  6h  2h

Player A Checks
Player B bets the pot

Player A starts to mull it over for ages
Another player at the table says 'Queen no good now'
Player B Says 'Pretty sure my queen is still good'

Player A calls pretty quickly
Player A gets pretty pissed off when he sees player b's hand and stays that way for a long time.

Acceptable speech play or not?


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: Woodsey on November 14, 2009, 04:28:51 PM
fine, why do people ever believe what poker players say?


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: Longy on November 14, 2009, 04:29:39 PM
Seems fine to me, player A is a sore loser.


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: WarBwastard on November 14, 2009, 04:31:43 PM
I think it's fine.  Did player A think his 8 kicker was going to be good?


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: Claw75 on November 14, 2009, 04:32:15 PM
Nothing wrong with this.


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: Royal Flush on November 14, 2009, 04:33:10 PM
I think it's fine.  Did player A think his 8 kicker was going to be good?

No, but his 8 flush beats trips.


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on November 14, 2009, 04:34:29 PM
Another player at the table says 'Queen no good now'

Not acceptable



Player B Says 'Pretty sure my queen is still good'

Acceptable



If anything Player A should be annoyed by first comment .. Player B has no complaints.


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: matt674 on November 14, 2009, 04:35:24 PM
If anything the other player who comments when not involved in the hand is most at fault

all non players off the green :D


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: matt674 on November 14, 2009, 04:37:16 PM
Another player at the table says 'Queen no good now'

Not acceptable



Player B Says 'Pretty sure my queen is still good'

Acceptable



If anything Player A should be annoyed by first comment .. Player B has no complaints.

darn these slow typing monkey fingers ;D


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: Cf on November 14, 2009, 04:57:46 PM
Penalty for "another player"


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: MC on November 14, 2009, 04:59:42 PM
Another player at the table says 'Queen no good now'

Not acceptable



Player B Says 'Pretty sure my queen is still good'

Acceptable



If anything Player A should be annoyed by first comment .. Player B has no complaints.

^^Exactly this...


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: EvilPie on November 14, 2009, 05:20:08 PM
Other player piping up is bang out of order in my opinion and deserves a penalty.

It could affect either player's decision in one way or the other.

He says "queen no good" which could easily tilt the fella and make him call when the other guy was bluffing. Alternatively it could make him pass when the other guy had the nuts and wanted the call. Total twat.

Player still in the hand can say whatever he wants imo. No problem there at all.


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: MANTIS01 on November 15, 2009, 09:23:52 AM
Somebody at the table saying "Queen no good now" is pretty stupid and obvious considering Freddy died some time ago


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: marcin123 on November 15, 2009, 01:03:18 PM
Nothing wrong with that... He has not declared his hand like saying 'I have aces' then turning over aces... so as long as the hand is not declared there is nothing wrong there...


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: relaedgc on November 16, 2009, 03:53:46 AM
You're allowed to declare your hand, too. At least by Grosvenor rules. All speech play goes. You do need to actually be involved in the hand at the time, of course.


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: Rupert on November 16, 2009, 08:41:02 AM
god i turbo fold when player b opens his mouth


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: marcin123 on November 16, 2009, 12:43:08 PM
You're allowed to declare your hand, too. At least by Grosvenor rules. All speech play goes. You do need to actually be involved in the hand at the time, of course.
lol... really??? i thought the hand was dead if you turned over the exact hand declared... when did grov. change that rule...


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: Cf on November 17, 2009, 01:35:13 AM
You're allowed to declare your hand, too. At least by Grosvenor rules. All speech play goes. You do need to actually be involved in the hand at the time, of course.
lol... really??? i thought the hand was dead if you turned over the exact hand declared... when did grov. change that rule...

Grosvenor change their rules every 5 minutes. And they're still never right.


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: thetank on November 17, 2009, 01:40:49 AM
Player B wasn't telling fibs. His Queen was good for him, it's one of the five cards to his flush.


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: relaedgc on November 17, 2009, 05:01:22 AM
You're allowed to declare your hand, too. At least by Grosvenor rules. All speech play goes. You do need to actually be involved in the hand at the time, of course.
lol... really??? i thought the hand was dead if you turned over the exact hand declared... when did grov. change that rule...

Quite a while back, and for the better at that. I really don't see that it adds anything to the game by allowing people to say whatever they like but then declare their hand dead if they call it true. It's up to you as a player to decide whether the truth is being told or not.


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: kinboshi on November 17, 2009, 01:58:35 PM
You're allowed to declare your hand, too. At least by Grosvenor rules. All speech play goes. You do need to actually be involved in the hand at the time, of course.
lol... really??? i thought the hand was dead if you turned over the exact hand declared... when did grov. change that rule...

Quite a while back, and for the better at that. I really don't see that it adds anything to the game by allowing people to say whatever they like but then declare their hand dead if they call it true. It's up to you as a player to decide whether the truth is being told or not.

Yes, it's the same at DTD.  Always thought the idea of being able to say anything but what you've got is a bit ridiculous. 


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: typhoon13 on November 17, 2009, 07:39:44 PM
If your not active in the hand, keep your mouth shut, simple.


Title: Re: Speech play ok?
Post by: GreekStein on November 17, 2009, 08:21:23 PM
god i turbo fold when player b opens his mouth

haha this is just what i was thinking