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I'm having a run at the $2 and $3 dollar SnG's...

This was about the fourth hand in....

PokerStars Game #35476083003: Tournament #213418677, $3.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2009/11/17 15:28:17 UTC [2009/11/17 10:28:17 ET]
Table '213418677 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: Dominik781 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: brandyCK (1480 in chips)
Seat 3: OrdonK (1480 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: carpiau (1500 in chips)
Seat 5: pakkisnils (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: whitewolf250 (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: calimeromg (1500 in chips)
Seat 8: HERO (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: Zabalonchi (1540 in chips)
OrdonK: posts small blind 10
carpiau: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to HERO [4d 4s]
pakkisnils: folds
whitewolf250: folds
calimeromg: raises 40 to 60
HERO: calls 60            call to set mine?
Zabalonchi: calls 60
Dominik781: folds
brandyCK: calls 60
OrdonK: folds
carpiau: calls 40
*** FLOP *** [2s 4h 4c]            wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii
carpiau: checks
calimeromg: checks
HERO: checks                        standard?
Zabalonchi: checks
brandyCK: checks
*** TURN *** [2s 4h 4c] [5s]         
carpiau: checks
calimeromg: checks
HERO: checks               standard to check again? or should I bet?
Zabalonchi: bets 80
brandyCK: calls 80
OrdonK has returned
carpiau: folds
calimeromg: calls 80
HERO: calls 80                     again, standard? or raise?
*** RIVER *** [2s 4h 4c 5s] [Kh]
calimeromg: checks

HERO ???

with the raise and 2 calls on turn
i would min raise they will still call and swell the pot
this will allow a 300 bet on river

No harm in betting the flop, overpairs will call if not raise, lots of facecard/facecard hands will also call, as well lots of A rag because of the low board. My betting % would be higher the more the aggressive the table, lets get building this pot.  Check is certainly not awful, just preference.

Definately bet the turn if flop checked alround, if you check again check/raise 95% of the time, lets build this pot!

tempted to bet flop and definitely raise the turn and bet river

like check on flop... raise the turn... over bet river...

Surely not raise the turn? You want them hitting something on the river.

1 bet 2 calls in front of you... im tempted to raise to 200-240...

its check raise turn as when it first comes to you you have no actions

u need someone catching something anyone with overpair or big draw would have bet by now

you cant get paid with the nuts unless you put chips in the pot at some stage.

keep checking if you want to win a small pot with a big hand.

bet for value on the flop (it doesn't have to be big), there could be a pocket pair that likes his hand that will like it less on a later street.

people slowplay too much as it is, I'm not check/calling 2 streets in a $3 SNG with quads

Shame it's not a live tournament. You could jump out of your chair and shout "OH MY GOD. I FLOPPED QUADS." then proceed to bet as no-one will believe you.

i am cause someone might hit a pair on river and thats when they go crazy and decide to stack off

bet flop

With 5 people in the pot I think checking the flop is best on a very dry board. The turn is definitely an action card for you because you can expect business from any 3, any spade draw, 6-7, maybe a 5, and a selection of other holdings that are still showing interest. All of these hands are incomplete with a card to come so it's likely they'll pay more to continue with the hand. If you allow them to complete their hands by seeing the last card for just 80 chips they can bin cheaply if they don't hit. Last to act you are controlling the price of the river and you are making it very cheap. By not building the pot like this on the turn you overbet the river when you shove and have much more FE, which is bad. A bigger pot and smaller relative jam is more likely to get called, which is good.

bet flop tooooooo

have a biggish pot on the turn toooooooo

bet the turn toooooooo

have a big pot on the river toooooooo

overshove for value

its a $4 sng they aint folding/

Bet flop, bet turn, raise turn, close to the pot on the river.

Basically lets try again some money in the middle, there is no need to get clever in these tourneys just bet your hands for straight up value and profit.

lead, lead, lead, lead then lead again

we have a 4 and a 4 and another 4 and another 4 and want lots and lots of money in the middle

sometimes the other 4 will all fold but that's fine, we probs wouldn't have got anymore out of them however we'd played it in that case

I might slow play it against one or two players, certainly not against four or five.

Bet! Bet! Bet Again!

Checking this twice you should be reported to Pokerstars for soft-play.

Lesson taken on board - I made the final mistake of checking the river in the misguided hope that someone would take a shot at it...

Checked round and...

calimeromg: shows [td Jc] (a pair of Fours)
HERO: shows [4d 4s] (four of a kind, Fours)
Zabalonchi: mucks hand
brandyCK: mucks hand
HERO collected 630 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 630 | Rake 0
Board [2s 4h 4c 5s Kh]
Seat 1: Dominik781 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: brandyCK (button) mucked [Ks 9s]
Seat 3: OrdonK (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: carpiau (big blind) folded on the Turn
Seat 5: pakkisnils folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: whitewolf250 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 7: calimeromg showed [td Jc] and lost with a pair of Fours
Seat 8: HERO showed [4d 4s] and won (630) with four of a kind, Fours
Seat 9: Zabalonchi mucked [Ad Jd]

you checked the river??? wow... looking at the hands maybe if you raised the turn you wouldn't have got action off most hands... but i'm sure the k9 woulda donked some chips and the pot woulda been bigger...

^^^ results orientated anyone??

people in these are calling stations and will call small bets with bare overcards which is why you should bet rather than check each street. You set the price and they will pay.

this is the exact way you shouldn't play flopped monsters