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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/8365960.stm

I think my childhood would have been much easier if I had been diagnosed with this condition sooner.  ::) ::) ::)

Psychology is all well and good, but you have to draw the line somewhere surely?

Whatever happened to 'lazy'?  :dontask:

At the same time more and more you're seeing criminals being let off because what was once seen as criminal behaviour now being passed off as some kind of pre-existing brain disorder.

Has the world gone mad? (/Global Irrational Syndrome)?

That's arse.  It's not 1st April today or something is it?

Completely nuts. Even if we accept the diagnosis, phobias can be cured within about 10 minutes these days so they don't need to be a problem.

I can relate to this as I suffered something similar at school and, later, in the workplace. It's not something that easy to admit as you might think you will be laughed at/ridiculed/called lazy, whatever, so it's no surprise it went undiagnosed for so long. The kid himself might not even have realised he was suffering from a phobia.  I wish I could have got treatment in 10 minutes. Instead I missed about half of my GCSE education and got shit grades, and last year ended up having to resign from my job.

Phobia's can be cured within ten minutes really?

I agree that there are a lot of genuine cases of classifiable mental illnesses that are missed, even if they're admitted by the sufferer, and they're told just to 'get on with it' when they need treatment. But I'm questioning whether this kind of thing is right:

"The boy, whose identity cannot be revealed, had been diagnosed by a clinical psychologist as suffering from a school phobia. "

I'm generally kind of sceptical about the approach even many psychologists take to the whole notion of psychology as a science. Ok as a science, it deals with things objectively, but there seems to be an assumption then that this approach defines human behaviour and thinking adequately. I don't think it does, there's the whole subjective, less deterministic  component, which psychology seems to largely ignore and teaches people to ignore it in themselves.
If I donated a bunch of cash to a small Rwandan village, previously living hand to mouth, and we built them a school, I'm wondering how many of the kids would be found suffering from School Phobia Syndrome.... :dontask:

Not knocking the genuine illnesses out there though, or minimizing the ignorance-borne stigmas that still surround them.

yeah I know where you're coming from. I've currently got a diagnosis consisting of three different 'conditions'. That diagnosis was made after half an hour with a psychiatrist. Yes I can read up on them and relate to the symptoms, but I'm sure lots of other people can too. I wrote about it a bit on my blog quite recently. I reckon if the whole population went and spoke to a psychiatrist looking for a mental health diagnosis they could probably get one. It's just down to what the 'normal' benchmark is, and how realistic that is I suppose. I know I need treatment though, to deal with stuff like the phobias that I've had, and other symptoms, rather than the conditions themselves. I can only get that once I've been given a label.

All that said, I wish my school phobia had been identified by a clinical psychologist as in this case - I might then have got the help I needed at the time to overcome it and get back in the classroom.

Good luck with it hun, brave of you to be so open about it, probably a lot of help to many peeps that read it though.

http://www.metro.co.uk/news/article.html?Man_killed_wife_in_a_bad_dream&in_article_id=771896&in_page_id=34

and this...........discuss

Geo

Yeah, saw that, so tragic :( :(

Interesting push by the prosecution, for

-not guilty vs

-not guilty by reason of insanity.

Would you really describe someone who carried out stuff while dreaming it as 'insane'?

I am normally a bit cynical about 'excuses' for killing someone, but this comes across more as an accident.

Would be harsh to send him down IMO.

There's a big popular book called 'Abnormal Psychology', didn't see one called 'Normal Psychology' but presumably there's some 'normal' area where most people are 'supposed' to inhabit.
The area that always interests me most on an amateur level is forensic psych, hard to work out where mental illness is at work (deterministic) and where some dude is just being bad. They reckon a huge percentage of inmates in british jails have untreated mental illnesses, I guess they contributed to their crimes in many cases.

So if you're writing your book on Abnormal Psychology, what do you include? It's a science, so you start with observable evidence, which is behaviour. So could you say that behaviour which is radically outwith the scope of normal human behaviour shows evidence of a mental illness?
Harold Shipman, for example. Killed hundreds, but wasn't let off 'by reason of insanity'. It's like he was a regular dude, but just bumped off 250 people as it happens. Can you ever call anyone who does that 'sane'?????

Yup, it's one of the cool things you can do with NLP techniques. The more severe the phobia the easier it is to cure usually. Here's Paul McKenna curing needle phobia:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRDwhqXWu-A&feature=related

WOW!!!!!!!!!!

http://phobialist.com/reverse.html


Been a Arachibutyrophobiac for many years

Brilliant. Fear of long words is Hippopotomonstrosesquipedaliophobia  rotflmfao. Someone taking the piss there, methinks?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/8367283.stm

I remember trying to make myself ill aged 11 to avoid going to school, and holding my mum's thermometer in the boiler pilot light to simulate my 'high fever' (broke the thermometer, mum unamused). Maybe this was 'school phobia'. Maybe I had a general fear of places where they forced you to do boring stuff, hit you with little justification, then filled out a little form to tell your parents how crap you were. But it just so happened I was going to a 'school' at the time..

Murder!!

Shouldn't have stopped taking his tablets.

There is a very recent case in the states where a guy in a dustbin lorry killed a couple because he had a seizure while at the wheel. http://www.thisisthewestcountry.co.uk/news/4747545.New_York_lorry_driver_sent_down_for_20_years_for_Yeovil_couple_s_murder/

He was charged with murder and given 20 years because he had decided not to take his medication and that was why he'd had the seizure.

Got to be the same surely??

if you'd had a phobia you wouldn't have needed to make yourself ill - it would have done that all on it's own.

What a load of bollocks.

Which bit?

I think part of the problem is terminology.

I believe phobia's are pretty mild on the whole scale of anxiety disorders - so saying someone has a phobia of school gets ridiculed because it's really not that big a deal.

A more general, more serious disorder which isn't specifically related to school but only to the factors involved with it is a much more credible reason for the problem in the article.

But that said, it did say they were now in a different school and there's no mention that he's been having any kind of treatment. That could be lazy journalism but equally it could be because they just had good representation where the previous school were concerned.

Pretty much most of it. A phobia is a persistent and very intense fear of something or situation. This kid was scared to go to school. He's now going to another school..good for him..but generally to call this a phobia will be an exaggeration. As someone else pointed out this is probably just lazy reporting but I'll bet you the world that the kid wasn't actually scared of the school but of certain people in it.

I also remember a time when people would just "snap out of it" and not everything would be a phobia...but just something you were scared off and people could tell you to get over it. It's the same as calling everything a "tragedy" or "disastrous"..it demeans the things that are truly disastrous or tragic. This demeans phobias.

you're probably right about it starting out as a fear of someone or something at the school rather than the school itself, but it's very easy for those fears to become attached to the environment rather than the actual thing that caused them in the first place.

I have this. It is incurable. I cannot snap out of it: 

http://tinyurl.com/ygoh3rk

I think the lorry driver could have reasonably forseen that not taking his meds would have resulted in him having a fit and at some time having one at the wheel, obviously likely to kill someone. The dreamer could have reasonably forseen that weird behaviour would follow giving up his meds, but not that killing his wife would be one of the probable actions. I think he got cleared of it today.

lol..you and many other people :)

True but being scared of something doesn't mean you have a phobia. A phobia is an extreme fear, not just "I'm afraid to do this". I don't have a phobia about bungee jumping...but I would be scared of doing it.

yes I know. Without going into too much detail coz i'm not comfortable doing it, the very thought of going to the places I had developed a phobia of instigated the usual fear reactions - palpitations, sweating, chest pain, vomiting, hysteria among others. The situation developed following unpleasant experiences that occurred within the environment I grew phobic of.

I did extensive research on the subject (ok I read the wiki article) and they seem to identify clinically diagnosable phobias with SAM (Flight or fight response, Amygdala reaction) and irrationality.
Strange when sometimes people talk of e.g. 'fear of heights' like it's some kind of clinical phobia. You are human. Falling from a height will kill you. It is handy to feel averse to it....

 /thread

as i have Phobophobia and I'm getting quite anxious and might need to seek help at the phobophobic anonymous meeting