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only been sat with villain for 59 hands, he's playing 19/17/14 (vpip/pfr/af), no history to speak of

***** Hand History for Game 16643525019 ***** (Full Tilt)
$200.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, December 08, 06:51:45 ET 2009
Table Savers (6 max) (Real Money)
Seat 6 is the button
Seat 1: SB ( $969.70 USD )
Seat 2: BB ( $136.15 USD )
Seat 3: EP ( $203.00 USD )
Seat 4: Villain ( $456.15 USD )
Seat 5: CO ( $200.00 USD )
Seat 6: Hero ( $200.00 USD )
SB posts small blind [$1.00 USD].
BB posts big blind [$2.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero 9h Th
Villain (MP) raises $6
Hero (button) calls $6
wackee folds
ohgoliath folds
** Dealing Flop ** Kh Ahrt 3s
Villain bets $8
Hero calls $8
** Dealing Turn ** 5d
Villain checks
Hero bets $22
Villain raises $58
Hero ?

what do you do?

Whats villains range when he check-raises the turn?

fold pre

never this.

check call turn if you plan to put $22 in anyway?

as played call to hit and not get funky on the river if you miss

prob a passive line i guess but horrid board

i think i rep Ax better by checking back the turn, which also gives a free card.

also, folding pre isnt how poker was supposed to be played

I take the free card on the turn

As I haven't, as played, I'm calling $36 into $111 c3-1 with 9 outs (ie slightly the wrong price) to beat a made hand I suppose. Find his turn check a bit odd tho if he has a big Ace.

Do I think I stack him if one of my hearts comes?. If I think I've got implied then call here. Doubt I have though.

Check turn, fold now...

so what do you do having been raised? enough implieds to draw to hearts? if we call does he ever check to us on a nonheart river? if he does can we bluffshove profitably?

check/calling is difficult on the button.

is villains range narrow enough to guarantee paying us off on a heart river?

Any merit to 3 betting now?

We know he's quite aggro so if he was betting to protect on the flop surely he's doing the same on the turn?

Instead he decides to check this brick and give us a free card if we want it.

When we put in a small bet he sees the opportunity to pounce so raises to get us off the hand with his bag of bollocks that he'd made his c bet with.

I'm thinking about $140 should get the job done. If he jams it straight in to our eye we obv snap him off because we've now got the odds to hit a flush anyway.

meh - didnt see his check - def check behind - cba to correct after 8 other replies - but now you picked me up on it....................

Think it depends a bit what he thinks of hero.  He could well just think he is a fish with Ax.  There really isn't much chance of hero having a monster on that flop, so a turn 3 bet isn't very credible imo.


 

We don't need to have a monster though. We just need oppo to not have a big hand himself.

If we were deeper we couldn't pull this off but it looks like a reasonable semi bluff spot for me.

don't understand what you mean

Edited. Missed a key word :)

You need villain to have complete air as he will call hero's push very light.

That's why it's a semi bluff.

Based on oppos stats and his nice stack I think that air makes up a lot of his range here.

If he's got something he can call with then we have outs.

I think he's passing a lot that beats us in this spot.

villain is fairly tag

Postflop Analysis with a board of  Ahrt Kh 3s

All cards    Total Combos = 161

AA - 55, AKs - A6s, AKo - A9o, KQs, KQo - KJo, QJs,
JTs, T9s, 98s, 87s,

 *  Top Pair   Combos = 57/161    Percent =35.4%
 AQs - A6s,
 AQo - A9o,

 *  Two Pair   Combos = 9/161    Percent =5.59%
 *  Trips/Set   Combos = 6/161    Percent =3.73%


He has something a lot of the time.  As I said it very much depends on what he thinks of hero and if he is bluffing what he expects hero to fold.

ok, so i was villain in this hand and i had A7o.

hero called the turn and checked a brick on the river.

after the hand i wondered whether id left myself too open to a bluffshove on the turn/river.

thoughts on my (villains) line?

fwiw i was playing laggier than those stats suggest (those were stats available to hero after he joined the table up to that hand) so may have shown down slightly weaker holdings than they suggest.

shoving aint great. u rep 33.

Now it's all spun round I'm too confused to say anything.

Alex. If shoving reps 33 (which I can't see how it does) why is shoving bad?

give urself more hands to rep which u would* play at nut strength



* assuming no levelling/history

Thats about 10% of villains range on this board given the info that indicates he is a tag opening from MP.

All this analysis is making my head hurt.

As some of my learned live friends would say:

What's sort of flop are looking for with 10h9h? I can't pass now can I? ALL IN!

This is exactly what I thought but I wanted to look at least a bit clever by talking about fold equity and all that crap.

Turn check-raise is very bad, think how unbalanced you will be in this spot.  Always bet-bet-bet these boards for value and with bluffs, so much easier to balance, then again raising A7os from 2nd position makes this a lot more difficult.  You don't ever want to be check/raising the turn then scratching your head wondering what to do on river, always play the turn with a plan.

prog is from stoxpoker "stoxcombo1"

Bit pished atm - I just think this is an occams razor hand and if the preflop caller tries to get the money in he is repping a minute % of his range, similarly bluffs are a minute % of the preflop raisers range on that flop (and that he doesn't simply give up on the turn as caller so easily has Ax).  This isnt a J53 rainbow flop button vs light 3 bettor in sb, its a genuine raise in MP from a tag on a flop that tags tattoo on their girl's left buttock, so I just don't buy a bluff from either player.   (We arent talking 5000nl with leveling history just 2 bods playing a bit of low stakes poker)