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In a Pot-limit Omaha cash game you're dealt  Kc Jc Qd Td in early position. Blinds are $1/$2
You have $183. Everyone at the table, with the exception of the big blind, has at least this amount. The big blind has $38.

You raise to $6, 3 players call, including the small blind. The big blind re-raises the pot making it $38 to go, this puts him all-in.
You call, there's another caller, a folder, and then the small blind re-raises the pot putting you all-in.

I'd like to ask two questions...

What do you think of flat calling the $32?
Do you call the all-in?

In my opinion the flat call of $32 was the correct play, as there is value and there still has been no flop.

As for folding to the all in I would have, It just seems like too much of a gamble. you leave your self no room to out play the other guy.

ok so now you know that the sb has AAxx and you are clear favourite to win the hand,

INSTANT call for me.

You have to put in $145 to win $310. Over 2-1 odds, at this point, if both the SB and BB have AAxx, you'll be a big favourite, especially if the SB's aces aren't suited in clubs or diamonds. But in the end it simply boils down to whether you're prepared to make this one gamble for all your chips.

This happens a lot in Omaha Cash Games.
The one thing i wouldnt have done here was make the early raise.
Also you need to know your players (some players re-raise with only AAxx, others can reraise with hands like 78910 etc) so knowing your players here would also add to your decision.

So to answering your questions-

The flat call for $32 seems fine to me.
I would call the all-in.


Jason

Do we get the results of what happens please

at best v AAxx your 47% to win the hand not a clear favourite (www.twodimes.net)

but with the value in the pot already its an easy call in a tounry you might want to think about about your stack but in a cash game easy call

im talking if the hand is 3-way....you are clear favourite

I called, for the reasons stated above. I thought they both had AAxx.

Big blind had  Kd Ks 5d 7d

Small blind had  Ah Ad Qc 4c

I later worked out that I was 32% for the $163 main pot and 42% for the $286 side pot
Total equity in the pot was therefore $172.16 if I called the $145. So I'm happy I made the call, even though I thought they'd both need AAxx for it to be correct.

Board was  9s 2h 9d,  8c,  Ts

I won with my Q-high straight.



 

Lucky river!!!  :D

You wouldn't raise with  Kc Jc Td Qd.

Mind if I ask why?

i would in the later stages of a comp but in a cash game it's a hand i want to play a flop with

Not even an icky-wicky raise to sweeten the pot?

no because you dont get maximium impact of the implied odds

But you might get more actual money if you raise.

but the idea is to raise when your favourite not when your a dog andallow the fish to pay you off when your a favourite not when your a dog

with a hand like KQJTds your not likely to be favourite in a multi way pot preflop but when you hit your hand you are liklely to get fish drawing at you with 2 pair or a straight draw or even bare naked aces

PLO is about taking advantage when your favourite and getting out when your not

So if you raise when you are a dog you are a fish  ;topofclass;

Your in early position with a great hand, at the point the first raise is made you have every right to assume you have the best hand. Your raise helps you to discover that this may not be true. By which time your getting such good odds, your hand is still very strong, that you have to call.

It seems to me that you have somehow managed to put $183 into a pot where your EV is only $172.16 - surely that can't be right?

doesnt really matter what stakes omaha I am playing there- my money is going in with this hand. That hand is one of the rank 1 holdings in omaha and I don't think you will find any decent omaha cash player who would fold it. There are very few hand you can give to both opponents were you will be -EV to make the call. Stick your money in and pull up if it goes wrong. If you are willing to pass this hand in this situation you should not be playing cash omaha games, try something safer like limit holdem $2/$4.

did i say that?

what i said is that the idea of poker is to get your money in with the best of it not when your a dog and drawing

yeah KQJTds is a great drawing hand but its like AKs in holdem just a drawing hand and in omaha you really dont want to be raising OUT OF POSTION with a drawing hand

So you limp with AK in early pos as well? What do you need to raise with?

in holdem i will raise with AKs in ealry postion but i wont get married to it

but UTG in holdem there is only 4/5 hands you can raise with preflop
AA KK QQ AKs And AKo
the rest you want to limp in and see the texture of the flop before commiting chips OUT OF POSTION

I think we will have to agree that there is more than one way to play this game.

I will refrain from mentioning that your way is pants. ;)

many ways to play the game i may add if i am disguising my hand i may raise to make people think i am stronger than i really am

Once I have raised  $6 pre-flop and flat called the $32 that money is in the pot and is no longer mine.

When the desicion to call all-in came, I had $145. As you self-weight each desicion the call here is correct and a fold would have cost me $27.

It really depends on the players on the table but in early position I wouldnt raise, I like to play off the flop in omaha.

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I think everyone musta missed this gem!!

BTW i agree with wardonkey and Ariston here.

Those flush draws can be pretty dangerous if you don't have the nut draws.