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X factor is over, Cheryl Cole has had her hair cut, Ali and Brian have been sent home and we only have 1 week left of Strictly so we are struggling for new convos at the clinic. Out of nowhere this came up...evolution.

Assuming we evolved and did not get created on the sixth day (although man was created and then woman which proves that God was leaving the best till last) most accept that we evolved from most recently the ape/monkey.

Can we assume that other more primitive life forms are still evolving and may become similar to oursleves? Have we slowed down, becoming lazy, eating fast food and generally slowing our evolutionary way only to be overtaken by another life form in the distant future?

In other words is Planet of the Apes a possibility?

who cares i'll be dead before then

In before Kinboshi writes really long posts about how god doesn't exist.

in short yes.......................... but these things take time

you must remember that evolution is about survival of the fittest - so any genetic mutation must have a benefit to generate its worth in future generations.

Thereby it is unlikely that you will get to POTA's scenario

(and BTW - its orangutans)

the problem with pota is that human's evolved to lose the power of speech. if they had previously developed telepathy then that would be believable but they hadn't so it's not

Basically this.

In essence the reason gorillas don't evolve into humans anymore is because we're already taking advantage of the resources gorillas would have done if we were not here.

That and Dingdell not posting pics of Hollyoaks girls in their knickers.

I don't think that evolving means becoming more similar to us. It'd be fun if other apes were evolving telepathy without us knowing about it - then we wouldn't be able to do a pre-emtive strike and kill them all off before we became pets.

maybe the trade off was that humans evolved huge genitailia but they just didnt show that in the film?

Every life form is still evolving, including us. There is no end game with evolution, no direction, it just happens, like an apple falling down off a tree - it doesn't fall with the intention of hitting the ground, it just happens like that because gravity is a fundamental force in the universe. Evolution is the same - as long as variety between individuals exist, and as long as that affects reproduction, by whatever roundabout means, evolution will happen. Bit slower than an apple falling off a tree though :).


What is? If you're talking about what we evolved from, then Chimpanzees would be a closer answer, although as Mr Dawkins is very fond of pointing out, we didn't evolve from Chimpanzees, we had a common ancestor with what we now call Chimpanzees, and out of all species currently on Earth that we share a common ancestor with (ie all of them), the Chimpanzee one is the most recent (about 5-7m years ago, IIRC).

Anyway, never mind all that bollox, where's the Hollyoaks photos???

I can't believe all the garbage posted about 'evolution' on this thread already.

People are talking about 'evolution' like its a proven fact, but it's just another type of 'faith' like my faith in God. Have any of you ever seen evolution? [ ] Yes. If I asked you to show me evolution could you do it, right in front of me? [ ] Yes. Why aren't there loads of half-humans half-monkeys walking around? Did they just get wiped out to make room for us? Don't be ridiculous.
Ask any atheist about how evolution is supposed to have 'happened' and they'll rant on about selection and gene mutations like we're all in some big Xmen movie. But how was all this supposed to happen? My pastor, who is also a registered scientist, explained it all to us in terms of the eye. How did they eye ever happen? Did we just have holes in our face for ages and then useless balls appeared in them and then one day we woke up and we could see with them? [ ] Yes.
Watch what language the scientists use, they talk of the 'theory of evolution' And that's all it is. Just another 'theory'. Like they had a 'theory' about the earth being round [ ] Correct. Like they had a 'theory' that Classical Physics was a good explanation of the physical universe [ ] Correct.
Don't trust scientists and evolutionary people! They all hate god and create 'theories' to try and remove him from the history of man. They are just trying to replace your well-founded religious beliefs with their latest 'ideas'

Thus truth is replace by a lie and God is replace by idols. Romans 1:25

Many scientists believe the discovery of and ability to control fire catapulted humans along the evolutionary road. No other animal seeks to cook it's food and thus cannot benefit from the nutritional qualities that this process provides, and they also lack the warmth and protection controlling fire brings. Without fire monkeys are gonna be evolving pretty slowly in comparison to humans. However, if you went into the jungle and gave some chimps a couple of disposable lighters and came back in 20 years time there would prob be cinemas, bowling alleys and a restaurant.

See? Another scientific 'theory'

Evolutionary scientists will tell you that the best explanation of the trajectory of human 'evolution' is tool use. We needed bigger brains to make better tools, they say. The bigger our brains, the better tools we could make.
But we need really nice tools to make fire, especially if the wood is wet or we have run out of cotton wool. How are they now saying fire is what propelled us forward, since we know that we already must have had big brains to make the tools for making fires?
Also: neanderthals (personally I just think they were tall german people with big brows) supposedly had even bigger brains than us. Where are they now? They had all that extra thinking power. They don't even exist any more, except in small villages around France, according to some french scientists. Also, we have the internet. They didn't even invent computing. Where is your brain evolution theory now?
Also if it was tool use that propelled us, how come we now find really good tool use in :
chimps
black birds
octupus with the coconut thing
You now saying we came from birds and octupuses? Where are my wings? Where are my tentacles? Nope don't have any.
The second most intelligent animal after humans should be the chimp. But it's not, it's the pig. Chimps don't even have Theory of Mind. Some pigs do. So am I supposed to be half pig? Where's the snout? Don't think so.

Evolution and the 'G' word in the same thread?!  Good thing Kinboshi's out for the day. 

No no you're right. All that evolution stuff is just outlandish nonsense. Clearly the facts are that a very very old man with a long white beard and a deep voice made the world. Then he made people out of clay and breathed life into them. Then he rested. That's a far less fantastical theory and can be proved.

Ok I admit that maybe a few of the facts in Genesis 1 may have been allegorical but because they are the Word of God I believe they point to a deeper truth behind them. But maybe you think I have just got blind faith in them because of a Gift I have from the Lord, deep down I know in my heart that it is the truth. But similarly what you have is just a 'faith' in evolution, or the evolutionary process, right? I mean, what evidence do you have that fire is what propelled humans into being the animal with advanced cognition? Just the word of scientists, right? Or the word of a journalist passing on selectively what he says is what 'scientists believe'.

You're just acting on 'faith', just like you say I am... [X]

All that guff to say 'my theory is better than your theory' even though your theory is based on a storybook, large parts of which (especially creationism) can be torn to shreds by a 10 year old.

THe evolution theory is no doubt imperfect but better than the idea that sloths left the ark on Mount Ararat & walked and swam all the way to the Amazon.

[ ] Not having the mental capacity to imagine the long drawn out process of evolution disproves it.
[ X] I don't either when you get to specifics, but I'm not diving for the bible or the Koran to explain it to me.

Well it's a theory I don't adhere to, but you do, so it's for you to explain it to me, not for me to accept it because you think it 'sounds better than my bible theories.'

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[ ] Not having the mental capacity to imagine the long drawn out process of evolution disproves it.

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Yep

but also


 Not having the mental capacity to imagine the long drawn out process of evolution but accepting it anyway is different from biblical faith how?

To get back to Dell's question, I doubt it - simply because we've cut the apes off at the pass. Simply put there's no room for them to overtake humans. Were we all to leave the planet one way or another, then possibly, indeed probably, there would eventually evolve sentience, even more than one type - one of which would win through (as Homo Sapiens did against the Neanderthal).

It's not for me to prove to you. But when people are discussing the theory of evolution & you but in & start shoving your counter theory down their throats  then it's for you to prove or start a seperate thread.

The difference is that I have got the mental capacity to grasp the overall theory, just sometimes my wonder at the complexity of life blows my mind & I regress to the primitive 'there must be an intelligence to have done this'. I can however see the evidence and consider the evolutionary theory the best one out there.

Anyway - back to the sloths - some journey the 2 of them made.....

Exactly. This is the Lord speaking to you my friend.

Exactly. Pick up a rock, and look at it. What evolutionary science is saying is that we started out with just a rock, not even mould or nothing, just a rock, with a bit of water and salt on it, not even protein or nothing, and from that bit of dead garbage, we got.........people.

Oh come onnnnnnnnnnnn! Do these people still believe in Santa?

This is very interesting, please expand on it, especially the Neanderthal bit.

Personally, I don't think present day apes could evolve into humans, it would probably be impossible, the genetics just wouldn't allow it. But anyway, because we now exist as humans, it might look on the surface like that is where things were generally gonna end up, rather than what is the case, namely that it was a series of bizzare, incredible flukes and coincidences that led us to come down from the trees and develop huge brains for our body mass. You need a certain set of random mutations, with a given set of specific niches, you also have to end up walking upright (so you can use tools) and you also have to (amazing fluke) have a set of genetic mutations that lets you be able to rear young up til 12-13 years (since by walking upright you no longer have a birth canal that can give birth to live young that both have big enough heads for the intelligence you need, but who are also capable of living without help from their parents soon after birth).
Homo sapiens are a total fucking oddity.

All that other shit was a level, sorry. I thought kinboshi was around...

ps I don't think we came from orangutan or gorillas, but a common ancestor of each, maybe that's what was meant.

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Google 'ontogeny recapitulates phylogeny'. It has been rejected in its earliest form but some of the basic ideas still hold.

(http://scienceblogs.com/bloggingtheorigin/Haeckel_drawings.jpg)

Remains etc found indicate that Neanderthals & Homo Sapiens co-existed in Europe for approx 20,000 years. There's generally disagreement about the amount of inter-relationship between the 2 species & what killed off the Neanderthal - going on the evidence of man's inhumanity to man I doubt a different sentient species would have been warmly welcomed into their caves....

The new ep of life on iplayer is about primates, on it they show a group of chimps that use tools in a way thats unique to only their group. Maybe this group could evolve over the next 100k years to use their tools better and develop new techniques for various things.

We don't have everything figured out...who knows what might happen, I hope one day to be un-ageing and fighting a war with the chimp people with laser guns.

Just caught up with this thread. Lol. Just lol. G1btw you are a total clown. I have never read such garbage. The fact of the matter is that there is very compelling evidence of evolution. Your arguements make you sound like a very narrow minded individual. I have lost any respect for you as a person having read your posts. Just lol   

[ ] you read all of my posts.

lol

g1b-1 outrageous-0

:D

read on my phone could have missed a pic or subtly somehwere

tell me all that wasnt tongue in cheek

all that wasn't tongue in cheek

hope that helps

if not then read the end of the post 5 above the one where you tell g1b he's a dousche

sigh

it went on too long to be  a level- just redic

and his final thoughts are flawed but i cba to get into it

aw cmon you can't say that, what are the flaws? 'He who cannot listen to the flaws in his argument never learneth' Mk 3, 21

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Just one in my lifetime (a mere 35 years to date) - drug resistant diseases!

LOL @ G1BTW :D

Anyway, I arrived to this party late, so what Rex said.