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Playing in the DTD Monte carlo, I sit on my table with a table full of unknowns (to me)

Start off standard semi tight trying to see cheap flops playing cash game style (cash games being my preferred area) nothing too dramatic and gradually build from 30 to 40k within a couple of levels.

Anyway getting to the point.

Blinds increase and ante's kick in. This is in my opinion where guts and skill take over.

Blinds 150-300 with 25 ante, and it becomes obvious / standard that a couple of players are now stealing and chipping up a bit raising to like 700.

One particular player to my immediate right is doing more than his fair share and it starts to really bug me. From his conversations earlier with another player and all the people who kept stopping by to say hello and shake his hand, it was easy to see he was a somebody in the poker world.

Ok. It's time I put a stop to this. He keeps stealing when folded around and stops me from stealing - the only solution is to 3 bet him. I've now been playing very tight and made a point of showing my big pp's and AK when I do raise so my image is now super tight.

I decide that i'm going to 3 bet him very soon after the button passes me.

Blinds still 150-300 - 25 ante with me on about 40k and in the cut off. Folds round and he makes it 725. I look down at 9c 4c and decide if you're going to 3 bet steal, it has to be some random hand so I make it 2200, folds back round and he has a think. All the time i'm thinking please please please just fold so I can show this. Him folding and me showing this would have made my day. I don't play many tournies, particularly big ones but this would have been as good as winning it.

Then it happens - he 4 bets me and makes it something like 6500. My first instinct is just to shove on his ass and make it an even bigger play than I had intended, the second option being to just pass, but no, I wasn't done with him yet. I now flat call in position with a view to shoving his cb on any flop that contains anthing to do with my hand and I mean anything. Any pair - any flush draw - any straight draw and even any gutshot. I might have even just shoved a scary looking flop.

Flop comes 10-7-2 rainbow probably the most uncoordinated unscary flop in the world. He bets about 7000 and I dwell and grudgingly pass, thinking to myself hmmmmmm nice hand well played etc etc.

The break comes and I enquire through a few friends who this menace is. Everyone is laughing at me and telling me its PAB, whoever the fuck Pab is, but apparently he's pretty handy winning the GUKPT main event in london and decent results on t'internet.

I did eventually get my revenge when I did the only thing that a novice tournament player can do to a pro - I sucked out on the river.

Quick summary- he raises UTG I flat with JJ flop 9 6 3 rainbow, he bets I flat turn 8 he bets I shove he calls and shows 8 9. I bink a 6 on the river - In your face Mr Pab - Owned.    Only joking Pab - you really are different class and it was a pleasure and an experience playing with you. I actually started feeling sorry for you when you were down to 20k and I was sitting with 100k. I knew exactly what you were thinking and you were dead right. My chips would have been put to better use if they were in front of you.

I'll get you next time

You sure put it in his eye :-)

The owned and the owner

GREAT story Tony. Write more. I like folks who don't take themselves too seriously, & can laugh at themself.

Top man you.

When Tony was telling me this during the tourney, the bit I liked best was when he got to the part where he gets re-raised to 6.5k.

Naturally I said 'so you folded'.

When he said 'no, i flat called' it did make me laugh and reminded me how our mind works sometimes when we're getting pwned

Agree with tikay, you write well - get over to the Luton G thread in the NY and write more and well done on a good run

Good story; well written, and right result.

The following is at least (and maybe only) the latter.

I recently organised our annual/occasional private cash game.  We're mainly recreational players, and some are very green.  Everyone's moaning I've invited this professional: "It's going to be too serious; he's too good, we're too outclassed".  Frankly, I've been moaning about it myself, although not to them, just to the professional.  Doesn't bother him a bit, just as long as I wear my poker watch and he can win it.

Anyway, he turns up and gets roasted.  He's the Christmas turkey and everyone wants a slice! Most get a slice, some get two, and the professional gets stuffed.  We play so bad, he can't win...

Moral of the story: don't try to outsmart much better players or much worse players.  Is that not correct Mr C?  Indeed, a lesson I've been too long in learning myself.

Anyway, I only wish my DTD war stories were as amusing.  Well, to poker players they might be, but the wounds are too deep.

   

Roasted indeed.

I must get out of the habit of thinking on level 6. I'm sure there's only 4 levels of thinking but by the time I get to the he knows that I know that he knows that I know which means he's doing this because he thinks i'm doing this because I know he's doing this, I forget what I was actually doing and for what reason.

The other problem I have is also thinking on the same lines as above and in actual fact all they are thinking is what they should eat for breakfast.

Getting back to Pab, i'm sure he already knows what he's having for breakfast.

On saturday it was me.

ha, yeh could never recover after losing that pot with big pot to you...

you looked to have a lot of momentum on day 2 when I bust, ul at not getting deeper, gl in the future

Do you just press ctrl v every time you open a thread where someone has wrote a story?

Who is Pab??

nice read WSOP  - especially as i was on your table (to Pabs right).

Pab played great - really steady away for the levels i played against him.

Without wanting to sound bitter - if I was you - id ignoring 'owning' legends like Pab  and go for the value on your left (mr JJ!!!!!). Even thou he had position on you - id have been in as many pots as possible with that clown!

FYI - the guy to my right was also pretty handy too - rivermanl on line! - Sigh - we had a tough table!

I knuckled back down and started playing normal ABC trying to pick spots to steal but generally only raising with a proper hand.

Eventually got it all in pf blinds 1500-3000 and me on 42k - made it 12k UTG with KK trying to get action, which I did. We get it all in pf but he has aces, both same suit as my kings and I couldn't bust them twice in 1 day.

Oh well - I did learn alot though.

Had problems with guy to my left. He had hit a few hands and had a huge stack, didn't want to get involved with him. He seemed to like seeing flops in position and I didn't feel comfortable playing him OOP.

I figured the guy to your right was pretty handy too. As I said in original post, it was him and Pab that were talking about Prague and EPT's etc etc that let me know they both knew what they were doing. He was also a bit of a menace blind stealer.

Unlucky for you though that he got stubborn with his jacks, but i'm no one to lecture, it was me getting stubborn with mine that crippled Pab.


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Guy who backs Flushy

LOL at this advice from you. I turned around to see you barrelling off to Pab who read through your soul and called you with the A9. I was pretty certain you already had the ' I bluffed Pab' brag post written out.

ha

i thought pab had the Ace but couldnt see him calling a bad Ace on that baord. If Pab called and lost that hand he was left with <6k - so i figured he was laying it down on the river  - that why i fired the final barrel.

Having gone through this hand with Middy i can now see how Pab sees it - but I can pretty much gurantee that most players lay down their A9 there!

but you can rest assured - one thought which didnt come to mind was 'owning pab'

[  ] my post was mainly about Pab
[  ] you know me well
[  ] you know my game
[  ] you have played a live MTT with me
[  ] soul read

You said you would ignore owning players like Pab, yet you try and do the same yourself, this is the point I was making.

[  ] I know you well
[  ] Word on the grapevine is that you are good
[X] From players who have played with you/know your game
[X] soul read

now re-read the entire sentence and realise it has very little to do with Pab, even less to do with me owning Pab.

Without wanting to sound bitter - if I was you - id ignoring 'owning' legends like Pab  and go for the value on your left (mr JJ!!!!!).

the OP - would know what this means. I played 2 hands with Pab all day (as much as I remember), that certainly isnt the actions of a man trying to 'own' someone.

Like I said above, I had no desire to own pab - i genuinely believed that he wouldnt call and leave himself with 6k -it was my thoughts - i went with it - i was wrong - thats the game.

Just out of interest, as you are absolutely certain that I was trying to own him, can you tell me how the action panned out? what the board read and how the betting went? You will obviously know this if you were so certain i was trying to 'own him' - especially as I didnt even show my hand and therefore you are 100% reliant on someone else telling you what I held.

its good to see that you form your own opinions about people prior to casting judgement. It shows a real maturity! Ive heard that the grapevine is a wonderful place to pick up a fountain of knowledge about everything in life. Well done buddy - you keep believing everything your friends tell you! Dont worry about finding things out for yourself.

Im not going to sit here and defend my game - i think given my low volume I do OK, and I am happy with that. I have little desire to be a professional poker player. I enjoy it as a past time, I am very competitive and I like to win. I take losing very badly. Anyone that actually knows me (including some of your acquaintances) will tell you that I am a very different person at the table than I am away from it!

 ;popcorn;

Japes.

Ok my bad, I guess that you must have been value betting the river vs Pab which is why you snap mucked. I saw the hand, not that I remember exact amounts but I am pretty sure you check called flop, lead turn and lead river.

You say you only played two hands vs Pab but the OP also said he wanted to own Pab in one hand, just because you only played 2 hands vs him doesn't mean you didnt want to try and own him.

I have met you before, I have seen you play once or twice and I have read hands that have been reported so I am forming my own opinion of your game as well as taking on other peoples opinion of your game.

"Without wanting to sound bitter - if I was you - id ignoring 'owning' legends like Pab  and go for the value on your left (mr JJ!!!!!). "

I have reread the above sentence, and have reread the OP and my posts and can only assume that the vital part of this is "if I was you", meaning you wouldn't be looking to bluff Pab if you was the OP but it is ok if you are as good as you which is why you tried to. But got soul read.

Mad Japes.

rookie you japer, stop using japes so much!

Outragous miles ahead on my card

Ah I didn't realise he was a Liverpool fan too.

If he is , I'm oblivious to that fact.

Ah, just because i'm Chelsea then.

rookie did you make this song up?

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxAUl1scw38

Immaterial who you support , stop derailing what was a good thread with your snide remarks please.

This isn't derailing?

hahaha I wish.

with the greatest respect - just because you are in a hand with someone doesnt mean that you are trying to 'own' them. If i wanted to own someone, I would continually be in their pots (usually in position), i would be talking to them, and if I had reason, i would try to needle them slightly. It is very rare that i try to own anyone. Yes I run bluffs - but no I rarely try to own people.

If I was going to "own" him - i would 100% have been showing my hand if he didnt call my river bet.  I had zero intention of turning this hand over if he folded.

I did try to run 2 bluffs against rivermanl - one worked one didnt. .......Did I show my hand - no,....... did i say anything - no,..... was I at any point wanting to 'own him'  - no. so why did i do it? ..... before you come back and say something petty........... because i wanted to set my stall out against rivermanl, its got nothing to do with owning him, its got to do with him not feeling like he can run all over me and me not be able to do anything about it.  

I would urge you to re-read the sentence again - from the start, it clearly refers to my bust out hand and the fact that some numpty to the OP's left was clearly going to be a better spot. If i was giving a 'lecture' as you suggest it would have been worded very differently.

With regard to you knowing my game - great sample size on hands - what maybe 10...20 maybe?  And obvioulsy having met me once or twice.......... well clearly that says alot about my game?!?!?!?!?!?!

Do me a favour, i was going to buy the encyclopedia britannica for xmas,but i think I am much better off subscribing to this grape vine place instead, its clearly where I am going to get a wealth of good information from.

JAPES!

Encylopedia Britannica isn't a good xmas present imo

how is that a 'chelsea song'? mug who put that on youtube obv knows nothing. it's sung by all southern teams to all northern teams because northerners eat out of dustbins

FYP

cliffs for the last 2 pages plz including a best assesment of who the winnah is.

Sod it, I read it anyway.

Cliffs...

Rooks says outragous is pants at the pokers

Sensitive ego-ed outragous spends a good deal of time arguing semantics and defending himself...


...presumably while standing up.


Highlight


This fail is called the "I do lots of great things for charidee but I don't like to talk about it" fail

gg boys, I think the real winner tonight is football.

Wow what a summary. Almost a guffaw!

Such japes from Tank!

all teams sing it when they play liverpool/everton, dont know how you would sing that to anybody other than liverpool based teams though... would it be 'in the leeds slums'?  doesnt really go does it?

no, in fairness people in yorkshire don't eat out of dustbins. luckily people in liverpool, manchester, newcastle, sunderland, middlesbrough, nottingham and birmingham do

are you not aware of where the tune for the song comes from then?  its typical of some soft southern fairy to claim a song but have no idea how it came about...

that's some interesting thought process you have. how do you get from me pointing out that all southern teams currently sing it to all most northern teams to deciding that that means I have no idea of its history and giving me abuse for that?

fwiw I don't really care where the song comes from, though I'll guess that it's adapted from united's song about the hillsborough victims as I don't remember it being around before then

as it means so much to you, this is where it is from.

YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XgPeZu_Ivho

Happy Christmas everyone.  :dontask:

lots of love on this thread. 

misread. I thought you said where does the song come from, not where does the tune come from

now I'm even more intrigued by your logic as your assumption that my knowing who now sings the song to who means I don't know where the tune is from makes even less sense than what I previously thought

How confusing this whole matter is becoming.  I thought it was strange that the song would be changed to other cities than liverpool as the original was based on 'in my liverpool home'. 

I guess it would be like singing 'we can see you holding hands' to everybody rather than just brighton. 

much love here imo

merry xmas everyone

if there was another gay town with a football team then that would happen, there isn't so it doesn't

football fans have always nicked and adapted songs hence the slum song being sung by all southern teams to any team conceived to be from a poor town (pretty much anything from brum up) who also happen to have 3 syllables in their name so it scans

Pobs    MTT playing big brother....

Think Tank needs to do cliffs for the gatso/sovietsong Liverpool song dingdong.

thread is only on page 4. a 2nd set of cliffs could be considered overkill

sovietsong defeats gatso

[  ] gatso takes it well

[ ] tank and sov understand how logical arguments work

Mother frickin god damn mo fo japes

Your right gatso, I don't know how logical arguments work. Let me have another try to explain my point.

Liverpool/everton used to sing 'in my liverpool home', in a way bragging about how great there city is.

'If you want a cathedral, we've got one to spare'

Football fans being the clever dicks they are adapted this song and changed lines to mock the cheeky scousers.

'Find a dead rat, and then think its a treat'

The song I funny because it is based on a liverpool song about there great city changed around to mock.

It was not created because football fans actually think liverpool people eat from bins.

You have clearly missed the point as have all other southern teams that sing along merrily without any idea of the reason the song was created.

My example about singing to brighton fans was a poor one, my apologies. Let me try and clear this up with a better example, this may help you further understand my point.

Liverpool fans often sing a song which goes a little like this,

'You'll never walk alone, walk on walk on, with hope in your heart...'

Etc etc.

Now as you may be aware unemployment in and around liverpool is stereotypical assumed to be high. A song that many football fans sing based on the same tune is,

'You'll never get a job, sign on sign on, with a pen in your hand as you'll never get a job'

Etc etc.

So as you can see people sing this song because it is funny for a number of reasons, firstly because it is to the tune of a song the liverpool fans sing, and secondly because of the funny message about unemployment.

Do all southerners sing this song to all northerners that eat out of dustbins and such like, or would that make no sense at all because the song is sang to liverpool fans because it is based on a song they sing?

Hope this has cleared everything up and we can all move on.

Kind regards

Sovietsong

Ps apologies for any gramatical errors, I'm writing this on my mobile phone!

cliff notes on above post please tank, was too long

Something about the word on the japevine.  :dontask:

The Jape Vine.

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Geoff Japes

The Japed Crusader

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[  ] in my liverpool home was originally a football song

this thread has gone haywire

Happy Jape-mas to all

^^^^^ obv wanna be in the clique   ;whistle;

Large ape.


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yeah but poor effort though

very good

many thanks for your lovely post sov

chompys dad returns for xmas

Feel that this thread has gone so far off course its untrue.

To all the haters, its just sour japes.

Sovietsong - southerners do indeed sing "you'll never get a job" to many northern teams especially mining towns/cities. Also Forest fans sing it in response to being called scabs even though none of them sing YNWA.

merry x mas everyone

My poor post has definately gone completely off stray, not sure how or why but I feel the Love .

To get it back on track, I ask you this question.

who would win a fight between Father Christmas and the Easter bunny?

Is the Easter bunny Thumper?

Watching that fight would be a stone cold jape for sure!

the main reason is because you made the post on blonde. if you want a thread to stay on topic you need to post on one of tikays's other forums but tbh they'll probs beat you up if you tell the same story on the blondephilately.com forum, they don't take no shit over there

Philately will get you nowhere.

Good post btw WSOP, was an enjoyable read I seem to recall.

would you say we need more posts like it?

We need figgy pudding is what we need.

Bring some out here imo

too right, I'm not going until I've got some