Title: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: Cf on December 21, 2009, 02:00:20 PM We're in day 1 of the DTD £300 monte carlo side event. 10k chips, 45 min clock, same structure as on the deepstack weekend. 99 runners and about 30-40 remain. Blinds are 300/600-50
Table has certainly been an interesting one as it's holding me, Greekstein, EvilPie and ChipRich. So, I'm UTG playing just shy of 30k and look down at two nines. Sweet. So I raise to 1525. I then get 3 callers. Rich then shoves from the button for about 17k. And it's back to me... I don't think I've played with rich before and was actually somewhat suprised by his playstyle. He played a tigher game than I was expecting. That said, cos and matt were playing silly buggers all the time so this is probably wise lol. There was a previous hand where I doubled him up in the same spot. I raised UTG with 44 and called his shove from the button. I can't remember his exact hand here. It was some sort of Ax as I remember. We were racing at any rate. There were no limpers in this hand and the shove was for much less. So, what do you do? Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: EvilPie on December 21, 2009, 02:07:33 PM Fold.
Wait for a Cos raise and an Evilpie button 3 bet or peel then shove your SB with Q high cus you're miles ahead of both their ranges. Weren't you watching :) Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: pleno1 on December 21, 2009, 02:13:48 PM meh, pretty close spot imo.
What did he have when you called with 44? It's quite a big shove, what were the blinds? I'm assuming 300/600, I think hes making it looks like a big squeeze, im not sure what he does with QQ+ here, it really looks like 1010/AQ/AK, if he made it like 4.1k I dont mind 4bet shoving because he can be squeezing light off the btn, but I guess it's a "sigh fold". The table seems pretty wild, and should be pretty easy to accumulate chips rather than calling this shove. Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: George2Loose on December 21, 2009, 02:16:14 PM I don't he's shoving too much that you dominate cos he may just set mine for the price the pot would be laying him. It depends on how often he's bluffing here to iso shove.
I probs fold here but agree it is very close Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: Cf on December 21, 2009, 02:18:09 PM Have added a couple of details I missed out.
Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: outragous76 on December 21, 2009, 02:20:17 PM i prob call here - if rich has seen what you have seen - he only needs to get you to fold to add 30% to his stack
he generally plays tight - but he is capable of making moves and knows when to. I dont think he is doing it too light (not like 73o) - but he has a very wide range and you still have 20bb's if you lose Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: GreekStein on December 21, 2009, 02:21:52 PM Rich had been playing kinda snug all day so it wasnt straight forward but it looks like such a squeeze. Having said that your range was pretty tight all day so I wouldn't expect Rich to ship too light when you open UTG.
I do a cointoss in my head here I think but I prob sway towards call. Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: BulldozerD on December 21, 2009, 02:23:25 PM I'd fold this
Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: EvilPie on December 21, 2009, 02:27:47 PM The way the table's been playing I can't see why Rich would put you on a bad hand.
You've got a very active Cos to act after you and a BB who will defend and put you to the test so you need to have something. That being said Rich knows that if he flats here the BB calls as well so he's in a 3 way pot. I don't think he minds this with a premium pair so I sway him more towards AK and AQ here as it looks like he wants to be HU or just TID. If you fancy your chances at a flip then call otherwise fold because I can't see you being ahead. Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: lazaroonie on December 21, 2009, 02:33:32 PM misread this at first, thought rich=trigg and was about to advocate a fist pumping snap call.
but it wasnt do i say fold. Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: outragous76 on December 21, 2009, 02:34:23 PM If you fancy your chances at a flip then call otherwise fold because I can't see you being ahead. he is in great shape to be flipping here with 4500 dead in the middle against the effective 17k shove - if he showed me a coin toss id call all day Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: BulldozerD on December 21, 2009, 02:35:45 PM then you'd cry when he flipped over Jacks
Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: lazaroonie on December 21, 2009, 02:36:17 PM being a results orientated nit i would suggest that whatever he decided to do was the right move.
Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: outragous76 on December 21, 2009, 02:45:36 PM then you'd cry when he flipped over Jacks lol - erm no! Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: Royal Flush on December 21, 2009, 04:05:02 PM then you'd cry when he flipped over Jacks lol - erm no! ?? I fold to CihpRich20 here Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: MANTIS01 on December 21, 2009, 04:57:58 PM I would prob flat an UTG raise with A-A at this table, there are 3 callers behind so I think it's a mistake to narrow the decision to whether you're flipping vs one oppo or not.
Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: paulhouk03 on December 22, 2009, 02:10:39 AM I would raise small so it looks like a monster utg.
proobs fold to a tight player shove but he could be doing that with a wide range of hands too. His range will include smaller pp Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: Cf on December 24, 2009, 12:58:46 AM Yeah, so I called in the end. He flipped AJ and I won the race. The fact there were callers made it look like an ideal squeeze spot and gave me nice odds if indeed it was a flip. I could alsobe against a lower pp or lower scs. Obv if i get shown TT+ I cry inside. Thought it was a pretty marginal spot hence the posting.
Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: Horneris on December 24, 2009, 03:54:29 AM I fold AJ here in Chippys shoes.
I dont think it plays well enough against CF's opening range utg. Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: Royal Flush on December 24, 2009, 04:18:35 AM I fold AJ here in Chippys shoes. I dont think it plays well enough against CF's opening range utg. Pretty sure if you were in Rich's shoes you would just kill yourself... Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: Horneris on December 24, 2009, 04:26:47 AM I fold AJ here in Chippys shoes. I dont think it plays well enough against CF's opening range utg. Pretty sure if you were in Rich's shoes you would just kill yourself... hahahaha. too true. Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: ChipRich on December 24, 2009, 11:01:53 AM sigh
Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: GreekStein on December 24, 2009, 11:14:28 AM Still waiting for Longy to come in and tell you it's out of order to publicly post a hand involving another blonde.
Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: Cf on December 24, 2009, 12:10:30 PM lol wasn't aware you're not supposed to do that :)
Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: ChipRich on December 24, 2009, 01:01:40 PM We're in day 1 of the DTD £300 monte carlo side event. 10k chips, 45 min clock, same structure as on the deepstack weekend. 99 runners and about 30-40 remain. Blinds are 300/600-50 Table has certainly been an interesting one as it's holding me, Greekstein, EvilPie and ChipRich. So, I'm UTG playing just shy of 30k and look down at two nines. Sweet. So I raise to 1525. I then get 3 callers. Rich then shoves from the button for about 17k. And it's back to me... I don't think I've played with rich before and was actually somewhat suprised by his playstyle. He played a tigher game than I was expecting. That said, cos and matt were playing silly buggers all the time so this is probably wise lol. There was a previous hand where I doubled him up in the same spot. I raised UTG with 44 and called his shove from the button. I can't remember his exact hand here. It was some sort of Ax as I remember. We were racing at any rate. There were no limpers in this hand and the shove was for much less. So, what do you do? [ ] some sort of Ax [X] AKred. Flop of T J Q was ok :) Anyway in the AJ<<<99 hand. When i shoved, i thought it was a decent spot. Im pretty sure the 2 peelers are folding, but when you re-jammed so quick, i obv thought i was dead. [ ] Q 9 x flop helped me. Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: Longy on December 24, 2009, 02:29:27 PM Still waiting for Longy to come in and tell you it's out of order to publicly post a hand involving another blonde. Lol, sure is the same situation when cf is the hero in the hand, and he actually faces a tricky decision. If the op was something like zomg chiprich squeezed with 73o and outdrew my 9's i might have posted. Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: Simon Galloway on December 24, 2009, 03:50:39 PM then you'd cry when he flipped over Jacks lol - erm no! ?? I fold to CihpRich20 here Because of his range - or because you put him in? ;D Title: Re: 99 utg facing a shove Post by: Royal Flush on December 24, 2009, 07:41:13 PM then you'd cry when he flipped over Jacks lol - erm no! ?? I fold to CihpRich20 here Because of his range - or because you put him in? ;D His range, i would probs spite call him just to laugh at his MU when i bink |