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Ok so I had just won this pot where I had played Aces kinda sneakily, flatting a raise preflop, flatting a bet on the flop, checking the turn and getting paid off on the river. I haven't open raised for a good hour, and I would think my image is kind of passive because I had been playing a fair amount of pots, and repeatedly flopping air.

Anyhoo, I raise 6h 7h in mid position at 150/300 to 800, and get 3 bet by the button to 2200. He'd been fairly active and quite aggressive, but selectively so.

I started the hand with 37k, he started it with about 30k.

I opt to call, which I think is fine even though we're out of position?

Flop comes down Qd 2h 5h. I check, he bets small, about 2700. I call.

Turn is the 4h. I check, he checks behind.

River is the 3c, putting 4 to a straight on the board. The 3h would have been a nicer card! I lead out for about 4k. He thinks for about a minute, and moves all in for 26k ish.

I tank and end up folding. In reflection I think the hand plays out kind of standardly, but I think the fact there are 4 cards to a straight on the river makes it kind of interesting, and also his check on the turn is confusing if he has us beat.

I dunno buddy. You've got to figure that an aggro oppo with position is going mean a tough enough pot to win when you miss. If you bin your hand when you hit as well I don't see how the pre-flop call is fine. How are you going to turn a profit with this hand? If all I know about villain is he's aggressive I'm calling this I think.

Snapping here.

snapping his face off

shove the flop to maximise ur fold energy

Yeah I see your point Mantis.

Surprised you all snap here, what hand overshoves that we beat?

Unless he's trying to get us to fold an ace.

In all honesty I think I lack basic respect for random aggro live players. I don't think we've shown particular strength in the hand and we've been repeatedly bet off pots at the table before. By contrast this guy is getting success from being aggro. I think that's enough in itself to pay to see the cooler. Once you get to breaking down the hand analytically you could already be streets ahead of villain in your thinking.

I fold but im a nit

What hand thinks it's going to get called here by overshoving?

 Ahrt Qh

tough one.... did he reveal his hand at all or give an indication afterwards?

Who is villain?

Think I call here

Meh, I call here but I'm not fistpumping. We're most likely good esp given the table dynamics as described but we are gonna see the cooler here occasionally.

I also fold pre. I do like scs but not really heads up oop in a 3bet pot.

You'd think if villain bet  Ahrt Qh small on the flop he'd do the same on the turn. Then he opens up the possibility for us to get our chips in by raising with a wide range. The way he's played it means we can only call all-in with a very small % of our range instead. What with hero being passive, not opening pots, and even playing aces slowly villain can't think trap-checking the turn induces hero to be action jamming chips into the pot come the river.

Random player thinks his AJ "just got there" - has to be a consideration.  He has probably already discounted your flush (or not even thought about it)

Meh, I call.

Yeh think this is a call but it is a tough spot. If he's very capable he can shove holding just the  Ahrt knowing it's a very diff call for you even with a flush

Agreed dude, im suprised ppl snapping. I was on the table and i believed the guy, he was giving off strong tells and i think he jamming river as bluff like never. I think you have him beat a very small amount of the time when he is being a complete noob with nut straights etc.

Its such a standard line that bad or avrage players take.

C bet with a flush draw, hit the flush and check it, then bet / raise the river.

Yeah man, he looked pretty strong to me. I think I've overstated how he was playing, I don't think he was that aggro, but I had him pegged as a solid player who would be willing to 3bet light here.

He said to me in a break that he had Q9hh, and that he thought he was shoving the river for less than he actually did. This could obv be bollocks and I take these things with a pinch of salt.

Our hand is under-repped is a good point, and something I did def consider, and perhaps provides a good reason for calling.

However...Two pair flats, a set flats, an Ace flats, a 6 probably raises but probably doesn't shove, and not that many hands you expect him to 3bet involve a 6. In my mind I was looking at Ax of hearts or xQ of hearts here so often...

i dislike generalisations but calling pre and folding when we make our under-repped hand here does seem kinda bad. playing oop to aggressive players in 3bet pots is ftl tho

fti?

Like FTW, but opposite.

oh so its ftl not fti! doh!

Snap his hand off

i am amazed by some of these replies. i fold so so fast.

I would be surprised to see 6-7. Hero hasn't opened a pot in a good hour or so and here he not only opens the pot from mp he calls a 3-bet oop. The only hand we've seen him play recently is Aces. So if you asked any player at the table what hero's range is right now 7 high would be a surprise I imagine. So unless hero has a premium hand in hearts he can be moved off this pot, and I would imagine if hero held a premium hand in hearts he would raise the flop.

i would snap calling here, while fistpumping and counting up the chips. :-)

but then again, i would think about C/C the river here.

so we have 2 hearts in our hand and there is  hearts on the board?

If villain put in a small raise on the river would we call? It would be difficult to open with this hand, call a 3-bet, call the flop with a draw, hit our hand, and then bet/fold the river to a small raise. That would be a bit nitty vs a random live player. Yet a small raise would increase the chances villain holds a flush because his FE is low. When villain jams on the end his FE is the highest it can be and that makes the flush a little less likely imo. So I think if you call his bet when his FE is low you should call his bet when his FE is high. Folding just because the bet is a lot is not a good reason to fold imo.

Hero says that villain looked strong when he jammed and that would put doubt in my mind that he is actually strong. Hero also has a passive image and has been folded out of the pots he’s played. Finally hero bets a real small 4k into a pot of over 10k on the river. In villain’s eyes that can easily be seen as a vulnerable blocker bet rather than the v-bet we know it is. I’m not denying villain can show us a flush here but I’m nowhere near as certain as some. When the pot contains more than half villain’s remaining stack and hero weak leads into it I think the potential to bluff is far greater than people are implying.

Not a fan of calling preflop