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Starting stack 10k. level 2. Blinds 50-100. I have 9.5k. villain has 8.5k.

1 early limper, villain makes it 450 from late position, the blinds fold, I am on the button with Aspades Ks.

I make it 13,25 to go, limper folds, villain calls.


Flop  5h 5s 6s

Villain checks, My best move is?

C-bet something like 800, i wouldn't be unhappy about getting raised as I am quite happy to 3 bet all in with the nut flush and possible some a/k outs.

+1

Try and build the pot now. I may sometimes check back for deception if I think I can get money in on later streets but Longy's line sounds good. May C bet a bit bigger tho. Something around 1250

pot is nearly 3k, why do you want to bet so small? I'm cbetting about 1/2 pot here

Sigh completely misread thought the pot was 1325.

Ok bet 1.8k and call a jam/3bet all in.

Any info on player?  Any good or not?

Generally I lead here just over half pot and wouldnt reaqlly hestitate getting it in so long as I was the one getting my chips in first.  Very hard for villain to call a 4 bet shove here.

I would go as far as to say it was impossible.

Bet around 1600-1900 on flop, and call a shove. I doubt hes going to raise-fold the flop here having only 8.5k to start the hand with and after our flop bet he has about 5.5k back.

Thoughts on smoothing the raise pre pls?

Yeah, i may do this. But as played the above ^

Think your under estimate just how bad the average live £100 player is.

Plenty will raise a c bet of 1.1k to 3k and then fold to a shove.

He cant smooth a raise once he has raised.  You cant undo action.

This is a £100 live donkament.  More than likely someone to call off here with 99 and then tell a mate "well how can I fold 99 on a 6 high board"

lol, true. Ok, if hes got an sort of ability he shouldn't be.

Really nice kid. Ex boxer with ridiculously bad haircut that no-one ever makes comments about.

Fairly competent. Plays a lot of pots, tends to be aggressive.

No shit

So why try and change actions that been?

Why discuss different options in a poker hand posted on the PHA board with other poker players? Dunno bud.

I might be being a bit negative here but we've got 80 odd bbs and a flush draw.

Do we really want to get the lot in?

Yep

2 overs and a flush draw in a quick structured comp.

Id be happy getting it in here.

We must however make sure we manoeuvre the betting so we are the ones getting our chips in first and making him call off.

Yeah I forgot how quick the structure was.

Just open shove the flop then.

It's obvious that we're on a draw but at least we get maximum FE. I assume we're looking to take the pot rather than have a showdown where we might lose?

sofa king then?

You scare me sometimes.

If you have been 3 bet pre by someone in position and then 4 bet james on the flop what would be your calling range here if you were villain?

Don't think it matters whether we're calling off or not although now he's checked it's more likely we'll be the ones getting our money in first

Gets more complicated if flats flop and we miss

Think it was a level Blatch

A semi lvele I think - he doesnt want to get the lot in 'ere

This is a 3-bet pot. Anyone is mad to think we shouldn't be stacking off here.

C-bet like 1600 and then do a cartwheel when he jams.

Loving this......

as played bet 1500-1800 and just keep betting/raising

If we bet 1500 and get called, and then checked to on a 7-Q turn whats out play?

I am worried when the villian flats your re raise Tom coz in his shoes I would be very very wary if you reraised me in that spot.


I wouldnt be at all surprised if the guy has flatted you with aces or kings so i am taking it slowly here and taking my free card to keep the pot under control, if you bet 1500 ish into it and he moves in you have over 25% of your stack in the middle and got to decide if you want to take a shot at doubling thru with your draw which is all part of the fun in tournies I guess.

Have we considred what the villian is gonna call a re raise from Tom with here tho.

This is the early stages of a live poker £100 freeze. You're not playing in the $1k full tilt comp vs Middy here.

The guys range for flatting in reality is probably so wide that it's silly to polarise it to AA or KK. Obv a possibility but I'd expect that less than 5% of the time here.

Live and early people don't like to fold once they've opened, especially if the chips they have behind if they lose the pot still equates to a playable stack.

A £100 freezeout is a biggish comp to a lot of people tho.

That is all true too Greek but that is also part of the problem in getting it in. The guy might well have called a re raise with 99,10 10,jj and if he has maybe he is the type that isnt going to pass them on that flop.

yeah but we have the NFD and 2 overs in a 3bet pot with position. If you don't bet here what hands would you bet? so what if he doesn't want to pass 99 on the flop?

even if we give him a range of KK+ we're only a 6/4 dog on that flop and wouldn't be doing too much wrong getting it in

no point getting paranoid about monsters when we have our own monster

£100 being a big comp to a lot of people is even more of a reason why I don't expect someone who views this as a lot of money to get sneaky. They'll just 4-bet pre cos they know their hand is good and won't wanna risk playing it post flop in a smaller pot when they can be outdrawn.

If he's called the raise with 99, 1010, JJ and doesn't want to pass then happy days, let's get it in.

To be honest I'd look to getting the lot in on the flop if I thought there was a chance of oppo folding. If he seems the sort to call me with an overpair I prefer to wait for another spot. It's a quick structure but we're still pretty deep and don't need a 50 50 just yet.

To answer the question about the calling range I think by the time that many bets have happened most of my stack is in the middle so I'm calling with whatever I've got unless I was bluffing with air and no draw. I'm not getting that far without minimum of JJ or a good draw so I'm calling 100% of the time.

Let's get James Keys (aka Peter Snow) to break it down from a live player's view and then an online players point of view.......

I bet 2000. Villain moves all in. What now?

So Matt what would u do? Check the flop back?

Cawwwl

Because I live 5 minutes down the road I call. Online I call. If I was in London miles away from home I probably do a crying fold.

Yes. I honestly don't want it all in here if I don't have to.

If we check back and hit we probably get paid anyway. There's loads of donks in that comp who'll pay us off. No need to join them by getting it in with a draw, albeit a very good one.

Call if you're in the South West of Vanuatu nevermind Notts or London.

beat him into the middle. this is what we want him to do when we bet this flop

I don't think you're going to win as big a pot if the spade hits the turn. Obv villian dependant (hence saying I may check back the flop for deception)

and thats the prob Tom, everyone is talking about getting it all in seemingly without thinking about how its going to get all in. You bet , he moves in and now you are calling with your draw having to hit to win.

Ummmmm hopefully leave him at the table with a broken neck after you have nsapped him off so hard.

I dont like the bet size TBH, would bet far less to try to enable myself to be the one getting the all in first.

Not everyone

See Neil's post below- if the c-bet is smaller you should be shoving instead of opponent.

how do you know what neil's going to post about below?

Given what's in the pot and the fact that we're probably on a 50 50 then it has to be a call I guess.

I prefer to check the flop though. It hides our draw very well. Everyone c bets a draw in this spot which is why I don't think oppo will be scared if another spade hits the turn. If he's got an over pair and a spade drops on the turn I think he looks to get it in in case we have a single spade and we might hit.

Cos we're champs. We know what each other is gonna post (Or I meant the post below's Bobby)

but how many chips are we talking about here, between 500 and 800. its not going to change his play much if he reraises you is it, he isnt going to leave 3k behind and most of the time just moves in.

Point accepted Blatch, most people havent considered what he has or how the money is going in.

But we're not just repping AKss here are we? It's not the only hand in our range. Do you check a lot of your range here?

You think it's time to talk about smoothing pre yet folks or shall I come back later?

I can't be arsed to do the maths but I'm sure someone will.

Gatso has already said against the very top of his range- that being AA, KK we've still got equity. Against QQ or any other pair we have overs plus the flush draw so getting it in means we're flippnig/slight fave.

If he is "finding out" where he is at like some live players with 88, 77 etc he'll fold to shove if we get our bet sizing right

Plus the times we catch him with air.

Still not time to talk smoothing pre, but pls dont come back either

FWIW I flat pre too at this stage

Me too.

old school thread :)

Pieman,when you say this are you serious or am i being levelled,again

Get in btw

Sooo anyhooo, I called, and I lost.

Turn  4d

River  9s

Villain have 99?

Nope.

 5c 4c??

Nope.

 7s 8s - gotta be

Nope.

56 ul

44?
56?
66?

66 55 99 44

Pocket 6's

Yep, pocket 66.

Considering the  9s on the river, is there any way I don't go broke here?

ha ha ha, Red Dog put it all in drawing dead apart from runner runner 55 lol

But seriously, its unlikely you getting away from this one with this structure, if it was the Monte Carlo then probably, but this no.

No, did he deserve an oscar?

His call is pretty horrible pre

Oy!! I wasn't drawing that thin.

FWIW I think if you were drawing live the board would obv brick out

He deserved a good rogering with a rag-man's trumpet. (but I didn't tell him that of course)

How the hell does this thread get 6 pages is what a wanna no ?????????

and running a a or k k  ;D

Thank you.

they had all been folded

I cant believe you were drawing to a flush on a paired board Tom ;o)

Not once you've decided to 3-bet the pot pre.

If you smooth pre we can play small ball and it doesn't have to cost us all our chips.

Now we're talking

thread needs more ROT

Epic cooler UL, how does he have you almost drawing dead on the flop in a 3bet pot Mbsfn!

£100 comp?  Oh I thought it was more than that

What's the point in debating action we can't change?

I'm not sure if you're aware but most hands on pha happened in the past and it's not possible to change the action

it's very rare to find one that the op is in the middle of playing

Live  PHA - how cool would that be.
Probs not going to get the TD to allow enough time for a Mantis reply tho.

With the amount of Hollywooding going on these days it would probably be possible!

How did this get to 7 pages? The only thing that isn't an automatic decision in this hand is whether to 3b pre.

thread continues to deliver imo

Epic thread, had me in stitches the whole way thru, more plz!

Has tom paid his 50p yet?

Lol. It wasn't a bad beat, I was never in front.

Fold pre., AK is the new AQ and Texas Dolly always folds AQ.

HNY

lol

ffs i was expecting to see flushy upset someone or a mantis/flushy argument.

I think flushy upset Blatch

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