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Title: River shove
Post by: sweet potata! on January 08, 2010, 03:54:21 PM
Should i snap this off or what?




Full Tilt Poker Game #17432502759: $10 + $1 Tournament (130840718), Table 13 - 120/240 Ante 25 - No Limit Hold'em - 10:25:36 ET - 2010/01/08
Seat 1: groinem (10,270)
Seat 2: kristerca (4,700)
Seat 3: DannyTurnbull22 (6,805)
Seat 4: larswhee (7,680)
Seat 5: Gaz15 (5,650)
Seat 6: FendaFin (10,773)
Seat 7: ashegaj (11,875)
Seat 8: trueblue680 (8,010)
Seat 9: HotFlush11 (5,035)
larswhee posts the small blind of 120
Gaz15 posts the big blind of 240
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Gaz15 [9s Qs]
FendaFin calls 240
ashegaj folds
trueblue680 folds
HotFlush11 folds
groinem folds
kristerca folds
DannyTurnbull22 folds
larswhee calls 120
Gaz15 checks
*** FLOP *** [Js 2s 3s]
larswhee checks
Gaz15 checks
FendaFin bets 240
larswhee folds
Gaz15 calls 240
*** TURN *** [Js 2s 3s] [7h]
Gaz15 checks
FendaFin checks
*** RIVER *** [Js 2s 3s 7h] [2h]
Gaz15 bets 480
FendaFin raises to 10,268, and is all in


Title: Re: River shove
Post by: Cf on January 08, 2010, 04:02:12 PM
Snap his arm off.

The only hand that makes sense to me here is JJ, but I think he bets the turn with that.


Title: Re: River shove
Post by: GreekStein on January 08, 2010, 04:04:05 PM
Weird spot. Don't think I can find a fold here. It's just too weird.


Title: Re: River shove
Post by: SupaMonkey on January 08, 2010, 04:06:31 PM
Fold for me. I think he has it. He either made a boat or flopped the nut flush. I think JJ raises pre so i would discount that, but it's possible he has a smaller boat.


Title: Re: River shove
Post by: pleno1 on January 08, 2010, 04:36:10 PM
c/c flop, lead turn, it tilts the entire poker world and they will spaz.


Title: Re: River shove
Post by: titaniumbean on January 08, 2010, 04:48:29 PM
I'm not finding a fold here.


Title: Re: River shove
Post by: Cottonbud on January 08, 2010, 04:54:49 PM
I think this is a fold, I think Villain could easily have JJ,33,22 or even a flopped nut flush I've seen these sort of lines before and they almost always have it. May be nitty but I think this river shove is the nut flush, house or quads.. meh I could be wrong and he could have a lower flush or making some retarded move with the ace of spades maybe A2 with the ace of spades.


Title: Re: River shove
Post by: titaniumbean on January 08, 2010, 04:57:26 PM
oh wow thought he limped bvb. not utg. meh still v weird, do we not have any reads?

is he really checking a set on the turn, though he did limp and min bet the flop so who knows!!!


Title: Re: River shove
Post by: sweet potata! on January 08, 2010, 05:15:45 PM
Sorry guys no reads, i was deep in a couple of 45manners so was more focussed on them at the time


Title: Re: River shove
Post by: Longy on January 08, 2010, 05:37:37 PM
I would fold the river readless, this is so often a very strong hand in my experience.

I don't like your line post flop fwiw, I would lead this flop and just to keep on betting. So many hands peel this flop if you lead or even raise the naked ace, sets, 2pr etc.


Title: Re: River shove
Post by: BulldozerD on January 08, 2010, 06:48:16 PM
i'd be getting more chips in before the river, people spaz so much on monotone flops that i would check raise, bet turn etc.

as played its a bit pukeworthy and i'd just flip a coin without reads


Title: Re: River shove
Post by: GreekStein on January 08, 2010, 06:59:40 PM
why is everyone saying fold? I don't think people are taking into account the skill level of most of the field in a $10 comp.

We're not playing a reg in a midstakes cash game here. At these levels you see some sort of gay minraise with the nuts more often than you get a shove.


Title: Re: River shove
Post by: sweet potata! on January 08, 2010, 07:09:21 PM
I would fold the river readless, this is so often a very strong hand in my experience.

I don't like your line post flop fwiw, I would lead this flop and just to keep on betting. So many hands peel this flop if you lead or even raise the naked ace, sets, 2pr etc.

Yes, i wasnt too happy with my check on the flop normally i would lead and then he bets a gay amount so i thought if i raised then i would lose him, and then i thought he would bet the turn and he didnt!! It was all played out so weird I'm trying to get 480 out of him on the riv, then I,m all of a sudden calling off my stack with 3rd flush on a paired board! Confusing shit.

I'll see if theres anymore replies before i post results, Thanks for input thus far guys.


Title: Re: River shove
Post by: titaniumbean on January 08, 2010, 07:31:11 PM
There are a whole bunch of hands you'll scare him off with a raise, but a whole shit ton that he will continue with for inflated amounts.

Tbh unless we have reads that he's solid then it's a 10 dorrar donkament, he's open limped, he bet sizes homo, I really doubt i'd fold.


Title: Re: River shove
Post by: George2Loose on January 08, 2010, 07:38:13 PM
Yeh I mean he probably shoves worse flushes a lot here. Cawl


Title: Re: River shove
Post by: pleno1 on January 08, 2010, 08:27:28 PM
bet/get it in if he wants on flop
bet/get it in if he wants on turn
bet/get it in if he wants on river

ez game.


Title: Re: River shove
Post by: sweet potata! on January 09, 2010, 02:47:55 PM
Well it was a mixed bag as per usual, which makes me think either fold or call were not hideous options so i can reveal that i passed...

His line is so bizarre(mine is weird too) i just figured he would have to be a serious spazz if he was bluffing so erred on the side of caution, the very next hand he was caught making a biggish river bluff not to the same extent as what it would have been against me, but still had me thinking it was possible he was a spazz.


Title: Re: River shove
Post by: NigDawG on January 10, 2010, 10:44:10 AM
You should def be trying to get more chips in before the river by leading either the flop or the turn, and I prefer leading the flop .
As played we should probably have a gd idea of how spazzy he is by now but readless this is a fold since river raisers always f have it sighhh. I would of thought a bluff is more likely bet the turn. Like James said it's probably villains way of trying to get max value.

The only thing which might make me feel we are getting bluffed is the fact that you've river bet 1/3 pot, which villain might of interpretted as some weak two pair hand which he felt he could bluff you off. Had we'd of bet 2/3 the pot and villain shoves it's a much clearer fold imo.