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Title: Call or raise river? Post by: T_Mar on February 01, 2010, 01:55:16 PM I checked the turn thinking the best I could hope for was for him to take a stab on river or call a bet with a one pair type hand (maybe I should bet the turn?)... do you just call the river bet, or stick in a raise?? Probs get paid by A4. A8 and other Ax hands? If we raise and get shoved on are you happy to call ??
Played 1 other hand with oppo, where i doubled up after making full house on the turn and him hitting nut flush on the river ta PokerStars Game #39018088380: Tournament #238035708, $20+$2 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2010/01/31 17:44:54 WET [2010/01/31 12:44:54 ET] Table '238035708 16' 9-max Seat #7 is the button Seat 1: T_Mar79 (6005 in chips) Seat 2: Peeeedor (1045 in chips) Seat 3: alarico2 (4565 in chips) Seat 4: coeckie (2755 in chips) Seat 5: jager1987 (7367 in chips) Seat 6: leakcim53 (2225 in chips) Seat 7: CoachCarter3 (5035 in chips) Seat 8: OCTOPUS54 (4566 in chips) OCTOPUS54: posts small blind 75 T_Mar79: posts big blind 150 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to T_Mar79 [7d Tc] Peeeedor: folds alarico2: folds coeckie: folds jager1987: folds leakcim53: folds CoachCarter3: folds OCTOPUS54: calls 75 T_Mar79: checks *** FLOP *** [8c 4h 7c] OCTOPUS54: checks T_Mar79: checks *** TURN *** [8c 4h 7c] [7s] OCTOPUS54: checks T_Mar79: checks *** RIVER *** [8c 4h 7c 7s] [Ah] OCTOPUS54: bets 450 T_Mar79: ?? Title: Re: Call or raise river? Post by: Longy on February 01, 2010, 02:20:44 PM Bet the flop, bet the turn, raise the river.
This is all far too passive, villian will call with worse on every street Title: Re: Call or raise river? Post by: outragous76 on February 01, 2010, 02:41:21 PM Bet the flop, bet the turn, raise the river. This is all far too passive, villian will call with worse on every street this Title: Re: Call or raise river? Post by: Royal Flush on February 01, 2010, 02:51:23 PM I would not be raising the river here.
Title: Re: Call or raise river? Post by: Dubai on February 01, 2010, 02:52:46 PM With no reads, Bet flop, bet turn- river is closer to a fold than a raise- calling is infinitely better than raising
Title: Re: Call or raise river? Post by: titaniumbean on February 01, 2010, 02:57:21 PM bet the turn!!!
twips!!! Title: Re: Call or raise river? Post by: Sack it off on February 01, 2010, 03:43:08 PM You missed alot of value from draws on the turn. Straight draws, flush draws, combo draws..
Call the river as in a tourney I don't want to be forced to fold Title: Re: Call or raise river? Post by: T_Mar on February 01, 2010, 05:55:24 PM wp me, misplayed all streets
ta Title: Re: Call or raise river? Post by: pleno1 on February 02, 2010, 04:48:44 AM Bet flop, bet turn, call river.
Title: Re: Call or raise river? Post by: david3103 on February 02, 2010, 06:38:48 AM I would not be raising the river here. Why not? Title: Re: Call or raise river? Post by: Cottonbud on February 02, 2010, 09:12:38 AM This isn't a decent cash or torny player we are talking about here he paid off an allin with the nutflush on a paired board. U think this guy will fold AK here in a $20 comp, No chance!. Defo raise the river for value, he wont shove unless he has you beat so if he does shove ez fold. I personally don't like the way you played the hand but now we've got to the river raise for value even if its a min-raise.
Title: Re: Call or raise river? Post by: david3103 on February 02, 2010, 09:27:24 AM I would not be raising the river here. Why not? River smashes hero's range, hero almost always has an ace and opponent bets so can probably therefore beat an ace. If he knows his bet looks strong, he will fold hands that we beat to a raise. He never folds better than T7. How does oppo have any idea what hero's range is here? BvB unraised and checked to the river and he bets more than the pot to steal with what? Any ace? Definitely. Plus he may do with this with any 4 8 or indeed 7 (7 is unlikely though), or air. What does he call with that we beat? A4, A8, 84, and a weaker 7 all of which fit his river bet. Make it 1450 ? Title: Re: Call or raise river? Post by: gatso on February 02, 2010, 10:53:45 AM River smashes hero's range, hero almost always has an ace how do you get that from hero's actions which so far have been preflop-check, flop-check, turn-check ? ? ? ? Title: Re: Call or raise river? Post by: Dubai on February 02, 2010, 11:39:48 AM The river is an overbet, people dont overbet thats as simple as it gets- not sure if people missed this or not
Title: Re: Call or raise river? Post by: Cottonbud on February 02, 2010, 11:57:32 AM The river is an overbet, people dont overbet thats as simple as it gets- not sure if people missed this or not Ohhhhhh I did miss that tbh. Can't this be A8 or AK still though, I think it can! Makes a raise more thin though have to agree. Title: Re: Call or raise river? Post by: david3103 on February 02, 2010, 12:03:48 PM The river is an overbet, people dont overbet thats as simple as it gets- not sure if people missed this or not Obviously people do overbet... the question is why this people is doing it. Value with SB's wet dream of flopping two pair and turning the house, or something much less. Title: Re: Call or raise river? Post by: Dubai on February 02, 2010, 12:19:44 PM blind v blind in a limped pot that has been checked down people overbet probably 1 in 100 times- hence why folding is better than raising but calling is better than both as we do beat SOME of villains value betting hands and obv any bluffs he has- cant be bothered explaining more so will leave it there
Title: Re: Call or raise river? Post by: AlexMartin on February 03, 2010, 01:05:08 AM I would not be raising the river here. Why not? River smashes hero's range, hero almost always has an ace and opponent bets so can probably therefore beat an ace. If he knows his bet looks strong, he will fold hands that we beat to a raise. He never folds better than T7. whaaaatt? as played call river, with reads (like this guy isnt a spaz that thinks 7x is the nuts, we can raise fold, kinda pains me that we only got 1 bet (albeit an overbet) with this hand on this board, in position bvb) if u dont bet the flop how u dont bet the turn is beyond me, myriad of draws he will deffo call with. Title: Re: Call or raise river? Post by: pleno1 on February 03, 2010, 05:30:53 AM fish overbet later streets when they have missed out on value in prior streets. I think his line is pretty strong and more likely to already have made a hand than to have paired the river. Unless he has A8 which makes sense too.
Title: Re: Call or raise river? Post by: T_Mar on February 03, 2010, 06:32:02 PM I would not be raising the river here. Why not? River smashes hero's range, hero almost always has an ace and opponent bets so can probably therefore beat an ace. If he knows his bet looks strong, he will fold hands that we beat to a raise. He never folds better than T7. whaaaatt? as played call river, with reads (like this guy isnt a spaz that thinks 7x is the nuts, we can raise fold, kinda pains me that we only got 1 bet (albeit an overbet) with this hand on this board, in position bvb) if u dont bet the flop how u dont bet the turn is beyond me, myriad of draws he will deffo call with. agree with all this.. i think i thought he would be more likely to bet himself with a draw - when he checked the turn I just figured him for over cards, or Ax type hand.. obv I should be betting tho and just mangled it |