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England v Wales 5pm tomorrow Twickenham

Wales 6/4, 7/4 in the odd place

This is I think the wrong price, certainly England are not a 8/15 shot.

Wales are a mature, successful team full of experience.

England have never fired under Johnson, are short of class in key areas and seem to want to go expansive, despite no successful track record of doing so.

Wilkinson v S Jones is a wash in the kicking department, but Wales are a stronger team and will create more scoring opportunities

It might be close, but I think Wales are excelelent value at anything over 5/4.

Yeh it think it would have been an even game with Flutey playing but without him i probably make Wales favourites.

i agree with most of what you say but dont agree the kicking is a wash. Wilkinson is a better kicker at goal but jones is a better kicker out of hand imo

plus Hook for the long range stuff.

We can agree to disagree, I don't think Jones loses much to Wilkinson at all

Which way is Dave betting?

Good luck supporting wales then you ex-englishman (http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0257.gif)

thanks Rich, Ive taken Wales with the start.
gl

Scotland for the Grand Slam  ;whistle;

The only thing more tiring than Dave's deluded t@@@ bets is posts like these.

Don't the welsh have both props out and other injuries

Wales were odds on, then lost their first choice prop and hooker.

England then lost Flutey.

I think Wales are still odds on. Apologies in advance

wales currently 9/5 on betfair

Just got 2.88 on betfair, don't really care for rugby union so betting on Wales is no issue for me.

cueto anytime tryscorer looks reasonable @ 3.75. struggling to find anything else that interests me in this one

  Cant see him gettin much of the ball  hope im wrong

Missed kicks and plain stupidity going to cost Wales as per usual

I'm on England -3.5, quite happy atm despite all the errors.

a lesson in taking advantage of a sinbinning

that's true

Thought England were poor, but Wales were sloppy too often. At 20-17 with 3 minutes left thought Wales might just nick it

sublime stuff from tait at the end, best play of the game

Again, correct. If you get to see it again watch how he hardly makes a tackle all game though. Talented player, but a fancy dan

 :)

What the hell has happened to Wales. Get your money on them to win the wooden spoon. I can't even see them beating the Italians if they keep on playing like this.

Damn, as I type Scotland get another try.  ;grr;

LOL this is a real WTF! Oh Scotland have got an Englishman in charge that's what happened 8)

was just writing how lee byrne is for me the difference when he wins the vital penalty. if you take him out of the welsh team I don't think they ever score

I am not a big Rugby fan, but that last 20 mins was bloody awesome !!

what an incredible finish

both teams made far too many mistakes but the scots made the vital ones

What an amazing game.

interesting decision by the welsh to kick crossfield when the game was tied and 80 minutes on the clock. if the bounce goes wrong scotland kill the game and take the tie. surely much better to just run against 13 men

So your'e down to fcking 13 men and if the clock stops its a draw so instead of kickin off into touch you give it to the opposition.  You stupid fcking bstrds - if I had money on that I would hunt them down.

Sick.

Doubleup vs the Scottish rugby team..................................hmmm I know who my moneys on  ;D

For the fortune that was spent educating these public school fucking idiots you would think one or two might have a bit of fucking sense, brainless pricks what an absolute shambles.


I fucking give in c'mon the fucking Irish

You are underestimating both Scottish resourcefullness and determination where financial matters are involved.

lots of swear words on this thread this afternoon!

Such a scummy thing to do - take a man down with using your feet.
Flannery has just kicked through a french men. Should be a red imo and he's not even got a yellow - TJ bottled it and said "just a shoulder" was used ie tackle without using the arms.

shocking decision. there's no way that's ever anything but a red and no way the officials could not have seen it

STFU Commentator!!!!!!!!!!! ;nemesis;

Italy 12.5 on betfair, no way I'm betting on 'em out of principle but............

Sod it at 17.5 I've had a cheeky £20 to dull the pain if we lose

Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii, but I still want us to win..........

What a boring kicking game England vs Italy was  ;sleep;

Yeah, this kicking game that has creeped in over the last few years is deffo not good for the game..........

It wasn't even clever kicking.
Kicking to space can lead to exciting rugby but kicking to the oppostions hands is always going to end in dullness

shit sport.

/thread

Wales 4.1 on BF. French are playing well and deserve to be big favourites but I still think the Welsh at home are value...........

Oh and go watch some fkwits play footy or summat..........

lol gift

gifts aside, the French are awesome

The Number 3, Mas, is the best prop I've seen for many a year

And another gift, shit game this, mistakes all over..........

Nooooooooo, they have both been horrible, but I understand what you are saying about the prop, he's very good and unbelievably mobile for a prop.

England will win tmoro,lets gogogoogo

Hope so, its a coin flip I reckon. I just hope they play well and put on a good show, its been a while........ :)

WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Always nice to beat the English on their own patch.

Get in there!!!!!

Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

WELL DONE THE LADS!!!

good game

meh, shit result

was pretty funny when the tv official awarded the try. don't think I've ever seen a ref that surprised by a decision

Second half reasonably exciting, not because of the great play but because it was close. Hate losing but probs just about a fair result...........

im on england 10/11  with a -4 handicap.Anyone else havin a bet on rugby

That seems fair, will probably do a first try scorer or something later.

LOL Italy are 60/1 v France that's got to be worth £2 or something on the off chance.........

england winning margin of 6-15 @ 3.23 for me

no value but fancy something to sweat

Half Time/Full Time both England is the best value I can see at 2.08..........

Also small bets on Haskell and Care as first tryscorers

I've got Tait first tryscorer. Money back with blue square if Monye or Cueto score the first one.

Had the same offer for Ireland (Earls and Bowe) but i wanted to back Bowe so left it.

Haskell and Flutey to score a try at any time.

I feel this Scotland side is under rated, I'm on them at generous odds.

[ ] Goodluck

Anyboy watching this tripe on BBC1? I mean WTF is the point in this game?

Troll

Support you country or gtfo this thread please....

Try some of this mate!
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Come on England!

Please, if you don't like it don't spoil a thread for those who do

Your right, im sorry!

PS there is a propper Rugby match on Sky Sports 1 ;)

fkn scrums!

Effective. Like England probably. Not the most glamourous but they don't lkook rubish this year that's for sure.

Anybody to score a try at any time  ;carlocitrone;



Agreed, what a joke.

Two crap teams produce crap game shocker.

I love watching rugby but both England and Scotland are boring as hell to watch.

Hopefully we've sat through 70 minutes of poor rugby for a really exciting 10mins.

England are brain dead, no leaders/thinkersand I think very poorly coached.

Scotland less talented, but give it everything. Slowly recvoering after years of being rubbish


Ireland/Wales was a far better game

What an anticlimax.....

found thr scrummaging battle utterly absorbing. but im sad like that.

I think scotland are close to being halfway decent.

had to laugh at the commentators wondering why the english players would be so indisciplined, then it cut to a shot of martin johnston, at which point i blurted out, he made a fkin career out of it, thats why !!!!

There is absolutely no evidence that Johnson is a coach/manager/selector

Granted he lacks talent at some positions, but we simply are not coached right. The number of basic errors is scandalous too

Scotland, with less to pick from, are at least going in the right direction

Why does Tait play for England? We'd be better off with Cueto or a 3rd Flanker in his position.
Foden looked alright though.

Tait is suspect defensively, but has attacking flair. Problem is its the same as Flutey so in midfield we misss a lot of tackles, by far the most of any 6N team

Foden and Youngs, and Geragthy for that matter, are talented but inexperienced but as we should be getting them ready for the 2011 WC they need to be playing now not seeing the way blocked by the likes of Danny Care, Armitage (woefully out of form) and Tait who will always flatter to deceive

Up front he insists on picking Dylan Hartley who can't throw straight, Borthwick a skipper who doesn't lead, Easter the least mobile No 8 in the 6N

I could go on. I am going on.

I don't have a problem with Johnson as manager per se, however he deffo needs to look a surrounding himself with a team that would be more effective at coaching the backs and implementing some better tactics.

The Scots scrum seems to be their weak point which was why they tended to be collapsing it a lot, solid back line though and certainly not as bad as the 6N results reflect.

England were poor, but saved by some good tackling.

I'm less concerned with the Englands backs as I think the main problem is with the forwards. Getting hold of some decent ball would be a start. We have pace with the backs but if the aren't given the opportunity it doesn't really matter chopping and changing those players. Englands previous success has been based on dominating the forward game and good discipline. Both of these are sadly missing with the current team.

if you think scotland were collapsing the scrum, then i would hazard a guess that you have never been in the 'boilerhouse'  (c) bill mclaren...

Has anyone got a bet up on this thread yet?

the guy whose bets I keep matching on betfair is doing pretty well

Ha ha, nice one. Still a week to go to redeem this thread!