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sob sob - can he really only have 1 hand?

Full Tilt Poker Game #18214850201: Table Adrenaline - $0.50/$1 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:10:16 ET - 2010/02/05
Seat 1: Veritas177 ($78.70)
Seat 2: johnboyrunning ($198.05)
Seat 3: maximumenergy ($112.60)
Seat 4: texca ($60)
Seat 5: outragous76 ($352.30)
Seat 6: psychoan ($107.70)
Seat 7: prinzpet ($156.45)
Seat 8: TheGoldStandard ($101.50)
Seat 9: redwingers ($98.20)
johnboyrunning posts the small blind of $0.50
maximumenergy posts the big blind of $1
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to outragous76 [Qd Jc]
texca calls $1
outragous76 calls $1
psychoan folds
prinzpet has 8 seconds left to act
prinzpet raises to $5.50
TheGoldStandard folds
redwingers folds
Veritas177 folds
johnboyrunning has 15 seconds left to act
johnboyrunning calls $5
maximumenergy calls $4.50
texca has 15 seconds left to act
texca calls $4.50
outragous76 calls $4.50
*** FLOP *** [4d Js Qs]
johnboyrunning checks
maximumenergy checks
texca checks
outragous76 checks
prinzpet bets $16
johnboyrunning folds
maximumenergy folds
texca folds
outragous76 raises to $47
prinzpet calls $31
*** TURN *** [4d Js Qs] [Ac]
outragous76 checks
prinzpet checks
*** RIVER *** [4d Js Qs Ac] [2d]
outragous76 checks
prinzpet has 15 seconds left to act
prinzpet bets $103.95, and is all in
outragous76 has just been sick ?????????????????????????

yuckkkkk, fold pre!!!!

iso the limper pre and the hand plays a lot easier cos u just fold pre to 3 bet or get more in on flop

hate the limp call pre!! real bad on so many levels.
spots like these are often hard to analyze without knowing how good/bad opponent is. His check behind on turn can be seen as either weak and looking to get to showdown (kq and even KK, but also flush draws).. but also, a bad player may try and "slowplay" there hand and check behind on turn with sets and KT. The problem with rush poker is that obv u aint gona have much history with opponent and are making decisions based on ur level of thinking, not factoring in theirs!
It looks like with stacks as they are, you cant bet / fold the turn, As played fold and rushhhhhhhhhhhh into next hand sir.

I literally never limp. But by the same token when i do and there are 3 over callers, passing sucks. People play very passive or their hands face up.  
  
But the guy has to have AA right?
 
Iso raise pre, cant fold the the check raise, Binks the turn and value shoves 3rd nuts on the end. Can he have anything else?  (its pretty much the nuts because the acrtion rules out the other 2 hand right?)

The limp call pre is causing you a lot of problems post flop because you haven't defined your hand.  Because of this I am not sure he definitely has Aces.  AQ is a possibility from a bad player given the bet on the flop and then checks on the river thinking he has a good made hand or KQ from a player who thinks he is good on flop until your reraise.  I would pretty much rule out K10 unless he is really weak and a set surely just gets it in on flop as would a lotof bad players with aces.  Are busted flush draws not a part of his range here?  TBH this looks like the way I have (badly) played busted flushes in the past.  Looking purely at the bet sizing on the end it looks less like aces to me than a missed draw but given some of the other possibilities it is probably a sigh fold.

i know limping sucks here but i totally disagree with folding to the raise by the tim it gets back to me

i obv  folded to the river bet

As played, b/f turn and life is simple.

This is problem, it looks like the pot is like 150, and villain only has 100 back? bet folding turn is not possible?

Oops, didn't see that. Apologies, I probably sigh and shove turn then I guess.

Epic fail of a sentence.

Fold pre, but if you must enter at least raise. I think I would have bet the turn as played and not got away from it but Meh..........

Yh, i mean, when u check the turn, ur obv checking cos u think the turn is a bad card for u and a good card for him, so ur plan is check folding river?
I dont think, as played, you can call river

snap call river

guy has AK

read op. guy has  Qd Jc

lol, took me a second to get that :)

Please fold 100% of the time in this spot pre. I guess you have to pass the river, AJ, AQ, KT all too likely, and although less likely it could be a funky set...

not that guy the other guy

Obviously raise or fold pre but as played the river looks a pretty easy call for me.

Just realised I misread the hand, I thought we checked behind on the turn, not him.

Now AQ/AJ/KT seem less likely.

The only hand that really beats us where checking the turn isn't kinda weird is AA. On that basis I kinda want to call now. But he could just always have played the hand weird :-/

im not sure its played that weird for AA

tries to iso pre
bets flop
cant lay down AA to the c/r
hits gin on the turn (with < a pot sized bet behind so hopes that I will get the money on for him)
jams the river because i didnt do the job

given that this is rush poker and it is easy to eliminate various hands, i think it stinks of AA

I wasn't saying he played it weird if it was Aces, I was saying it would be weird if it was any of the other hands that have us beat.

His line definitely makes sense with AA, but it doesn't mean he hasn't spaz jammed the river with something random...

Fold pre.  If you call pre then raise the flop bigger.  As you played it the villian is unlikely to have AA here, or any set imo.  I'd call