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Title: Defending the button
Post by: david3103 on February 16, 2010, 11:55:42 AM
A general query..

You're on the button and the two blinds are playing pretty weakly. They've been at the table for a fair while and as the levels go up it becomes apparent that the player in the seat to your right has taken to raising every unopened pot and is stealing their blinds before you get the chance...

How to respond?


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: Royal Flush on February 16, 2010, 12:02:57 PM
(http://www.thepokerbank.com/images/3bet-diagram.jpg)


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: railtard1 on February 16, 2010, 12:04:36 PM
(http://www.thepokerbank.com/images/3bet-diagram.jpg)

This


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: StuartHopkin on February 16, 2010, 12:36:54 PM
F in LOL


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: AlexMartin on February 18, 2010, 05:39:53 AM
depends on the blinds......


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: titaniumbean on February 18, 2010, 05:49:25 AM
(http://www.thepokerbank.com/images/3bet-diagram.jpg)


This is brilliant!! rotflmfao


Either 3 bet them or just flat them, or walk over and punch them, your choice.


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: EvilPie on February 19, 2010, 04:34:14 PM
I hate spots like these where you have a half decent hand.

If we 3 bet we have to forget the strength of our hand and treat it as an atc raise to pick up some easy money.

If that's the case we should be doing it more often with atc but do we actually do that?

Really awkward hand with stack sizes and one of them spots where you almost wish you only had 20 bigs instead of 40 making it an easy shove.


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: StuartHopkin on February 19, 2010, 04:38:18 PM
is hungarian or jewish or something exotic

awesome


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: Royal Flush on February 19, 2010, 07:35:51 PM
3b/call seems pretty bad, flat or 3b jam as his 4b jam range is going to include a lot of spew overs


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: The Camel on February 19, 2010, 07:49:26 PM
In this exact spot I would 3 bet call.

But against more normal oppos I would call.


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: EvilPie on February 20, 2010, 01:45:23 AM
In this exact spot I would 3 bet call.

But against more normal oppos I would call.

You want to get 35 bigs in the middle with a pair of 7's?

Seems very spewey to me.

I would think flat and play a flop with position or just shove the lot in now is better than 3 bet / call. At least we have a chance of getting some better hands or flipping hands to fold if we just stick the lot in now.

Tbh I probs just fold to avoid levelling myself in to thinking my 77 might be good here. It often won't be and with our stack as it is we will definitely find a better spot soon.


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: NigDawG on February 20, 2010, 05:30:30 AM
i jam here and feel pretty good about it

edit - against described opponents anyway


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: railtard1 on February 20, 2010, 05:08:26 PM
flat or jam.... 3bet call is terribad IMO


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: GreekStein on February 20, 2010, 07:01:31 PM
flat or jam.... 3bet call is terribad IMO


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: hatthehole on February 21, 2010, 12:05:21 AM
if hijack is opening close to 100% and co is never flatting better jammin is going to be +ev.  I dont think flatting is a realistic option here.  you cant set mine cos hj is openeng too wide a range and your not deep enough.  playing for the sake of playing a pot on position might be awkward too with the 20bb stack getting in the way.  idk if 3bet/call > jam, i guess you can make up whatever 4ball ranges you want to argue one way or another.  Without any reads on the players i think folding 77 here would be best.


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: buzzharvey22 on February 21, 2010, 01:55:10 AM
is 3 bet folding bad here? say 3 bet 9x and leave with 31x?


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: railtard1 on February 21, 2010, 09:57:06 AM
is 3 bet folding bad here? say 3 bet 9x and leave with 31x?

fold > 3bet fold


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: 810ofclubs on February 21, 2010, 03:22:51 PM
pretty sure flatting has to b the worst option of any here, hj has a wide range, co has polorised range of middling hands which cannot call in or 3bets and if does get 44 or JQss in then we great equity.

not saying i like anything here tbh, gay spot with stack sizes because if hj is thinking as u said Mr Keys he is guna b jamming f everything here. Meh i think the variance route of 3bet calling is prob edging it just here


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: 810ofclubs on February 21, 2010, 04:08:44 PM
was blatch the original raiser?


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: railtard1 on February 21, 2010, 05:11:36 PM
was blatch the original raiser?

You prob was f nit


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: hatthehole on February 21, 2010, 05:33:26 PM
lol i wouldnt fold against teh ppl you describe.  just if this was my first hand at the table and i knew nothing of the villians


Title: Re: Defending the button
Post by: NoflopsHomer on February 28, 2010, 02:45:49 AM
Just jam and get there because you're James 'mfking' Keys, esp if you have the seven of green and the seven of blue.