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Title: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: Acidmouse on February 18, 2010, 06:41:51 PM
I created a blog for someone on blogspot and have no idea about SEO for it. I been looking around and it seems hard to get a straight answer, any experts had experience with blogs?



Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: EvilPie on February 18, 2010, 06:45:06 PM
Delete thread quick before Boshi sees it.


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: gatso on February 18, 2010, 06:47:33 PM
Delete thread quick before Boshi sees it.

this

it's the only thing worse than him talking about global warming


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: Acidmouse on February 18, 2010, 06:48:05 PM
lol i need advice though :)


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: Colchester Kev on February 18, 2010, 06:48:22 PM
Delete thread quick before Boshi sees it.

this

it's the only thing worse than him talking about global warming

or religion ... or speed limits.


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: Scottish Dave on February 18, 2010, 06:48:44 PM
If i knew what SEO meant, i could tell you if i'm expert in it?


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: Bongo on February 18, 2010, 06:49:36 PM
If i knew what SEO meant, i could tell you if i'm expert in it?

It doesn't stop most of the experts  :D


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: Laxie on February 18, 2010, 06:50:45 PM
Delete thread quick before Boshi sees it.

this

it's the only thing worse than him talking about global warming

or religion ... or speed limits.

or mmr....or politics


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: Colchester Kev on February 18, 2010, 06:51:44 PM
Delete thread quick before Boshi sees it.

this

it's the only thing worse than him talking about global warming

or religion ... or speed limits.

or mmr....or politics

I am thinking him talking about SEO could be the best option !!


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: TightEnd on February 18, 2010, 06:53:44 PM
Try Bongo

He'll tell you you are doing it wrong, six times, and then forget to do what you asked him to do in the first place  ;nemesis; ;hide;


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: Bongo on February 18, 2010, 06:57:14 PM
I asked kinboshi about SEO today, I wanted a price to give to a client. Here's his response:

kinboshi says:
*quote themj anything
kinboshi says:
*£1000 a monht
kinboshi says:
*£200 a month
kinboshi says:
*£100


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: kinboshi on February 19, 2010, 10:48:53 AM
That wasn't for SEO - that was just for link-building.  How can I quote without knowing their business or goals or any idea of their budget?

That's like me saying to you, "I want a website - how much will it cost and can you have it done by next Tuesday please?"



Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: kinboshi on February 19, 2010, 10:55:34 AM
I created a blog for someone on blogspot and have no idea about SEO for it. I been looking around and it seems hard to get a straight answer, any experts had experience with blogs?

What did you want to know?


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: thetank on February 19, 2010, 11:11:17 AM
If i knew what SEO meant, i could tell you if i'm expert in it?

SEO stands for search engine optimisation.

Getting to the top, or near the top of google. ie, if you have a trout fishing blog or website and you want people to happen across it when they google "trout fishing"

Google uses all sorts of factors to decide who gets on page one. The idea being that the best and most popular sites that are most relevant to your search come first. It's what makes google so easy to use, you don't have to trawl through dross to get exactly what you need.

Your SEO experts are all about keeping on top of the way google evaluates these factors, and working out the best ways to game the system to keep their sites on the front page.


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: kinboshi on February 19, 2010, 11:24:11 AM
If i knew what SEO meant, i could tell you if i'm expert in it?

SEO stands for search engine optimisation.

Getting to the top, or near the top of google. ie, if you have a trout fishing blog or website and you want people to happen across it when they google "trout fishing"

Google uses all sorts of factors to decide who gets on page one. The idea being that the best and most popular sites that are most relevant to your search come first. It's what makes google so easy to use, you don't have to trawl through dross to get exactly what you need.

Your SEO experts are all about keeping on top of the way google evaluates these factors, and working out the best ways to game the system to keep their sites on the front page.

Perfect explanation. 

Used to be slightly different in the past when there wasn't one dominant search engine like there is for the UK market.  Optimising for the US market where Google has less of a stranglehold, Bing/Yahoo need to be considered far more than they do for sites aimed at just the UK.  In Japan, Yahoo is the market leader in search, and because the different search engines place the emphasis on different factors (e.g. Google places more weighting on inbound links than Yahoo does) you have to optimise accordingly.


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: thetank on February 19, 2010, 11:25:23 AM
What I know about SEO is <<<<<<< what kinboshi knows, he's the pro. I just hobbied with it a few years back and spoke to people about SEO more than I employed the techniques myself so take this for what it's worth. 2 cents

I'd say that there is no substitute for a good website. To concentrate on meeting the needs of whatever people are googling >> manipulating the metrics and whoring for links.

Think of yourself as working with google, rather than against them. Improving the googler's google experience by providing exactly what they want in your website in a very obvious and accesible way.
Google analytics is a marv marv marv tool to the end of finding what the googler wants.

Obv manipulating metrics, whoring for links and all the rest of it has a part to play somewhere along the line, and having a site that been around for years can be very helpful.
I've seen a lot of bloggers concentrate too much on this side of things though. The google people are smarter than they are, if they don't have what a googler wants, they're not going to stay on the front page for long.


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: Bongo on February 19, 2010, 12:09:57 PM
That wasn't for SEO - that was just for link-building.  How can I quote without knowing their business or goals or any idea of their budget?

That's like me saying to you, "I want a website - how much will it cost and can you have it done by next Tuesday please?"

I'm sure you could use my answer out of context to rib me too :P


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: kinboshi on February 19, 2010, 12:36:31 PM
That wasn't for SEO - that was just for link-building.  How can I quote without knowing their business or goals or any idea of their budget?

That's like me saying to you, "I want a website - how much will it cost and can you have it done by next Tuesday please?"

I'm sure you could use my answer out of context to rib me too :P

I was going to post what you said about the client on here, but thought I'd save that for another time ;)


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: EvilPie on February 19, 2010, 12:41:40 PM
That wasn't for SEO - that was just for link-building.  How can I quote without knowing their business or goals or any idea of their budget?

That's like me saying to you, "I want a website - how much will it cost and can you have it done by next Tuesday please?"

I'm sure you could use my answer out of context to rib me too :P

I was going to post what you said about the client on here, but thought I'd save that for another time ;)

Have you spoke to Denise yet Dan?  ;whistle;


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: Acidmouse on February 19, 2010, 01:47:42 PM
going to tell him to concentrate on content and building it up with lots of pages before worrying about google etc :)


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: kinboshi on February 19, 2010, 01:50:24 PM
That wasn't for SEO - that was just for link-building.  How can I quote without knowing their business or goals or any idea of their budget?

That's like me saying to you, "I want a website - how much will it cost and can you have it done by next Tuesday please?"

I'm sure you could use my answer out of context to rib me too :P

I was going to post what you said about the client on here, but thought I'd save that for another time ;)

Have you spoke to Denise yet Dan?  ;whistle;

Keep calling and getting answer machine.  Will try her again on Sunday.


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: thetank on February 19, 2010, 02:53:21 PM
going to tell him to concentrate on content and building it up with lots of pages before worrying about google etc :)

I hear it helps to buy an old dead site and ressurect it, as they will already have lots of indexy thingymabobbies done on it by search engines, than starting off a new site from scratch. I've heard it said that there's no point SEO-ing anything under 6 months old. kinboshi I'm sure can tell you if there's any truth to that.


With blogging, if you're looking to build an audience then realistically, the only way is to read and participate in others blogs and keep doing so for the ones who reciprocate. It's not a case of if you build it they will come, you have to go out and get them, do unto others as it were. If that's not something your friend enjoys then I wouldn't bother with blogging.
There's plenty online blogging community sites and initiatives to put you in touch with other bloggers and wotnot. Obv best to concentrate on blogs in your niche or related niches.
This is applicable for both personal blogs, and ones with some sort of commercial or buisness purpose.

Natural traffic (of people who actually might read your site, rather than dodgy schemes to get junk hits) from search engines only can only be expected from bigger established blogs. To get there you have to do the whole blog reading thing yourself to get your own site active and happening. If your content is quality then word will gradually spread, people will recommend you for this that and the other.
Writing something and expecting the world to come read if you just do a bit of SEO, and nothing else, will just be a source of frustration. Not saying that's what your friend is expecting (indeed, how would I know?) just giving some general advice.


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: kinboshi on February 19, 2010, 03:14:20 PM
going to tell him to concentrate on content and building it up with lots of pages before worrying about google etc :)

I hear it helps to buy an old dead site and ressurect it, as they will already have lots of indexy thingymabobbies done on it by search engines, than starting off a new site from scratch. I've heard it said that there's no point SEO-ing anything under 6 months old. kinboshi I'm sure can tell you if there's any truth to that.


It is certainly easier to get a site ranking well if the domain has been around for a while and has been indexed and ranked by Google previously.  But there's nothing stopping you getting a brand new domain and getting it to rank strongly within 6 months - it'll just take a bit more effort and money.  If you can afford to be a little patient then that helps.

Because SEO doesn't produce overnight results, many will use PPC advertising to generate traffic in the early days of a site - but that can be prohibitively expensive in some markets.

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With blogging, if you're looking to build an audience then realistically, the only way is to read and participate in others blogs and keep doing so for the ones who reciprocate. It's not a case of if you build it they will come, you have to go out and get them, do unto others as it were. If that's not something your friend enjoys then I wouldn't bother with blogging.
There's plenty online blogging community sites and initiatives to put you in touch with other bloggers and wotnot. Obv best to concentrate on blogs in your niche or related niches.
This is applicable for both personal blogs, and ones with some sort of commercial or buisness purpose.

Natural traffic (of people who actually might read your site, rather than dodgy schemes to get junk hits) from search engines only can only be expected from bigger established blogs. To get there you have to do the whole blog reading thing yourself to get your own site active and happening. If your content is quality then word will gradually spread, people will recommend you for this that and the other.
Writing something and expecting the world to come read if you just do a bit of SEO, and nothing else, will just be a source of frustration. Not saying that's what your friend is expecting (indeed, how would I know?) just giving some general advice.

Yep - if the content's good and you're respected for what you're saying by your target audience - you'll get the traffic.  A committed blogger will use twitter and other social notworking networking sites and tools to promote the blog and drive traffic.  SEO is certainly an important element in generating traffic and shouldn't be overlooked, but it's not the be all and end all for a blog.

I don't know how much time and effort tank spent on educating himself about SEO, but it sounds as though he's done his homework and knows a lot more than many marketing people who should know more than they do.  I'd recommend your friend does the same.  Unless of course he has loads of money and wants someone to do it all for him ;)


Title: Re: Any SEO Experts?
Post by: Acidmouse on January 16, 2012, 02:10:02 PM
The blog in question:

http://historicalphotosdaily.blogspot.com/

Now getting on average 500 hits a day. 90% from goggle.com with Zero SEO thought or work on marketing. Most of the links to it though are on forums I post on, only about 100 on other sites i don't use.

Going to try and get some tweaks on it and SOE techniques to try and up this now, it has over a 100 pages of content and a year to filter through to goggle etc.

It currently makes about £1 a day, if I leave it and add no content I assume it might tail off in a year or so.

My problem is getting people to comment, come back and check it alot more than they do. Most traffic is one off.

It does amaze me how the trends of search engines work. I have moved to virtually top of the list for WW1/2 Propaganda posters images. This is generating about 300k search impressions a month, so the conversion rate from goggle is poor.

Any ideas on improving it a little?