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Title: jacks Post by: Ironside on February 22, 2010, 12:31:15 AM opp hasnt done anything notable since i have been on table
he has folded a couple of times to my 3 bets pre what do i do with jacks here PokerStars Game #40126651048: Tournament #285020010, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (500/1000) - 2010/02/22 0:16:30 WET [2010/02/21 19:16:30 ET] Table '285020010 3443' 9-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: Cowboy_Dubar (43292 in chips) Seat 2: mexa15 (30468 in chips) Seat 3: Mr Brizza (24362 in chips) Seat 4: absoluto99 (24847 in chips) Seat 5: Kennethmedh (37289 in chips) Seat 6: deestein (60618 in chips) Seat 7: Ironside (54809 in chips) Seat 8: povy46 (26931 in chips) Seat 9: Rac-n-Rolla (45797 in chips) Cowboy_Dubar: posts the ante 75 mexa15: posts the ante 75 Mr Brizza: posts the ante 75 absoluto99: posts the ante 75 Kennethmedh: posts the ante 75 deestein: posts the ante 75 Ironside: posts the ante 75 povy46: posts the ante 75 Rac-n-Rolla: posts the ante 75 Kennethmedh: posts small blind 500 deestein: posts big blind 1000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Ironside [Jh Jc] Ironside: raises 1500 to 2500 povy46: folds Rac-n-Rolla: folds Cowboy_Dubar: raises 5175 to 7675 mexa15: folds Mr Brizza: folds absoluto99: folds Kennethmedh: folds deestein: folds Title: Re: jacks Post by: Dubai on February 22, 2010, 12:46:07 AM I dont think only options are Shove/fold. 13.8k and calling it off is better than shoving imo, and I definitely dont think calling pre is as bad as you will all think.
With no dynamics I prob just fold, assuming u probably not got out of line much at all either Title: Re: jacks Post by: NigDawG on February 22, 2010, 04:45:53 AM if you've 3bet him off his own hands more than once since you've been at the table then you do have a dynamic going imo
Title: Re: jacks Post by: Royal Flush on February 22, 2010, 04:50:11 AM if you've 3bet him off his own hands more than once since you've been at the table then you do have a dynamic going imo exactly this, looking to get this in. Title: Re: jacks Post by: 810ofclubs on February 22, 2010, 12:44:29 PM fistpump
Title: Re: jacks Post by: doubleup on February 22, 2010, 01:33:59 PM if you've 3bet him off his own hands more than once since you've been at the table then you do have a dynamic going imo Given their table postions its unlikely that these confrontations have been steal/resteal. Unless hero has been opening in ep a lot, I can't see the previous action as a reason why villain wouldn't think hero has a hand. Title: Re: jacks Post by: Ironside on February 23, 2010, 06:07:54 AM ok i put this hand up as i thought i might have played it badly with flawed thinking
i called with the plan of leading on a flop without face card is this bad? Title: Re: jacks Post by: Royal Flush on February 23, 2010, 06:34:15 AM ok i put this hand up as i thought i might have played it badly with flawed thinking i called with the plan of leading on a flop without face card is this bad? Depends are you bet/calling bet/folding or bet/jamming? Title: Re: jacks Post by: Ironside on February 23, 2010, 07:35:14 AM ok i put this hand up as i thought i might have played it badly with flawed thinking i called with the plan of leading on a flop without face card is this bad? Depends are you bet/calling bet/folding or bet/jamming? thats where it gets complicated plan was to put in 10k on flop he would only have 20k back so it means bet calling or bet folding as i said that was plan what actually happened is i forgot the plan and checked min raised on the 4 high flop and he folded Title: Re: jacks Post by: Royal Flush on February 23, 2010, 07:38:21 AM Well bet folding would be terrible, bet calling would be good, 4b pre would be best.
Title: Re: jacks Post by: Ironside on February 23, 2010, 07:41:35 AM as i said i butchered it but somehow got the chips
didnt like my play afterwards which is why i posted hand PokerStars Game #40126651048: Tournament #285020010, $200+$15 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level X (500/1000) - 2010/02/22 0:16:30 WET [2010/02/21 19:16:30 ET] Table '285020010 3443' 9-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: Cowboy_Dubar (43292 in chips) Seat 2: mexa15 (30468 in chips) Seat 3: Mr Brizza (24362 in chips) Seat 4: absoluto99 (24847 in chips) Seat 5: Kennethmedh (37289 in chips) Seat 6: deestein (60618 in chips) Seat 7: Ironside (54809 in chips) Seat 8: povy46 (26931 in chips) Seat 9: Rac-n-Rolla (45797 in chips) Cowboy_Dubar: posts the ante 75 mexa15: posts the ante 75 Mr Brizza: posts the ante 75 absoluto99: posts the ante 75 Kennethmedh: posts the ante 75 deestein: posts the ante 75 Ironside: posts the ante 75 povy46: posts the ante 75 Rac-n-Rolla: posts the ante 75 Kennethmedh: posts small blind 500 deestein: posts big blind 1000 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Ironside [Jh Jc] Ironside: raises 1500 to 2500 povy46: folds Rac-n-Rolla: folds Cowboy_Dubar: raises 5175 to 7675 mexa15: folds Mr Brizza: folds absoluto99: folds Kennethmedh: folds deestein: folds Ironside: calls 5175 *** FLOP *** [2h 4c 3h] Ironside: checks Cowboy_Dubar: bets 11250 Ironside: raises 11250 to 22500 Cowboy_Dubar: folds Uncalled bet (11250) returned to Ironside Ironside collected 40025 from pot Ironside: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY *** Total pot 40025 | Rake 0 Board [2h 4c 3h] Seat 1: Cowboy_Dubar folded on the Flop Seat 2: mexa15 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 3: Mr Brizza folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 4: absoluto99 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 5: Kennethmedh (small blind) folded before Flop Seat 6: deestein (big blind) folded before Flop Seat 7: Ironside collected (40025) Seat 8: povy46 folded before Flop (didn't bet) Seat 9: Rac-n-Rolla folded before Flop (didn't bet) Title: Re: jacks Post by: Ironside on February 23, 2010, 07:45:45 AM btw does the fact its a freeroll (according to flushy as i used fpps to buy in) change the thinking
Title: Re: jacks Post by: Royal Flush on February 24, 2010, 12:14:23 AM btw does the fact its a freeroll (according to flushy as i used fpps to buy in) change the thinking It's free to enter for you, doubt it was free to enter for the whole field, if it was i want my $215 back Title: Re: jacks Post by: George2Loose on February 24, 2010, 12:24:12 AM btw does the fact its a freeroll (according to flushy as i used fpps to buy in) change the thinking No. Just like if you went on to win you shouldn't spend the money any differently. Never peeling 7.5bb 3bets OOP myself. Look into 'reverse implied odds' if you need an explanation. Prefer the bet-call on this board once you have though, try to induce the bluff shove from missed AK hands cos you're going broke to bigger pairs whatever. James please explain reverse implied odds so I don't have to look it up Title: Re: jacks Post by: Ironside on February 24, 2010, 04:27:22 AM btw does the fact its a freeroll (according to flushy as i used fpps to buy in) change the thinking It's free to enter for you, doubt it was free to enter for the whole field, if it was i want my $215 back but surely if the fpps used for this have a monetary value the fpps used in the takedown also have value after all i could use the to enter another 215$ event in future Title: Re: jacks Post by: Royal Flush on February 24, 2010, 04:54:17 AM btw does the fact its a freeroll (according to flushy as i used fpps to buy in) change the thinking It's free to enter for you, doubt it was free to enter for the whole field, if it was i want my $215 back but surely if the fpps used for this have a monetary value the fpps used in the takedown also have value after all i could use the to enter another 215$ event in future If i go round to a friends for dinner i usually bring a bottle of wine with me, if i were to turn up with the monetary value of the wine that would seem a bit silly, but in essence be the same thing. When i go round i don't generally consider that i am paying for dinner, although by your logic i am. Title: Re: jacks Post by: pleno1 on February 24, 2010, 06:04:43 AM btw does the fact its a freeroll (according to flushy as i used fpps to buy in) change the thinking It's free to enter for you, doubt it was free to enter for the whole field, if it was i want my $215 back but surely if the fpps used for this have a monetary value the fpps used in the takedown also have value after all i could use the to enter another 215$ event in future If i go round to a friends for dinner i usually bring a bottle of wine with me, if i were to turn up with the monetary value of the wine that would seem a bit silly, but in essence be the same thing. When i go round i don't generally consider that i am paying for dinner, although by your logic i am. 5.55 ive just finished watching the butterfly effect that i thought would be some sort of romcom, my head is thinking gazillion things and it took me like 3 mins to work out this incred analogy. nh. Title: Re: jacks Post by: OnTheBubble on February 26, 2010, 12:27:18 PM I would go with a fold....considdering stack depths
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