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Title: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: AlexMartin on February 26, 2010, 01:49:59 AM
villain is decent, solid winning reg. River preferences?

***** Hand History for Game 3173512896 ***** (Prima)
$400.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, February 26, 12:56:29 ET 2010
Table DeepStack 142 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Seat 1: FATTYman2 ( $586.20 USD )
Seat 2: jmcoll ( $163.00 USD )
Seat 3: jammyjenny ( $1536.40 USD )
Seat 4: Disconected ( $400.00 USD )
Seat 5: Pokermagic ( $419.00 USD )
Seat 6: 1baba1 ( $1072.91 USD )
jmcoll posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
jammyjenny posts big blind [$4.00 USD].
Dealt to jammyjenny [  6h 6s ]
Disconected folds
Pokermagic folds
1baba1 raises [$12.00 USD]
FATTYman2 calls [$12.00 USD]
jmcoll calls [$10.00 USD]
jammyjenny calls [$8.00 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9s, 6c, Kd ]
jmcoll checks
jammyjenny bets [$28.00 USD]
1baba1 calls [$28.00 USD]
FATTYman2 folds
jmcoll folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ 5c ]
jammyjenny bets [$72.00 USD]
1baba1 raises [$184.00 USD]
jammyjenny calls [$112.00 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ 5s ]
jammyjenny checks
1baba1 bets [$428.00 USD]


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: bobby1 on February 26, 2010, 02:07:56 AM
crikey thats a nasty spot. I think given your desription of the guy you have to pass.


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: titaniumbean on February 26, 2010, 02:17:56 AM
How do you have no history/reads? how often do you lead that he's seen etc. Ima click the call button on this.


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: bobby1 on February 26, 2010, 02:31:34 AM
I think the only hand he could have that you beat is k9 and you dont sound sure he would have that, nor go mad with it.


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: titaniumbean on February 26, 2010, 02:37:34 AM
I think the only hand he could have that you beat is k9 and you dont sound sure he would have that, nor go mad with it.

AKcc? 78?


I think the decision is between calling and shoving. And I think shoving is too thin. Really need some kind of reads/history/dynamic.


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: maldini32 on February 26, 2010, 02:41:20 AM
your beating aces, ak and 78. would he play any of those hands that way? If the answer is yea then its a call.


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: bobby1 on February 26, 2010, 02:54:06 AM
I think the only hand he could have that you beat is k9 and you dont sound sure he would have that, nor go mad with it.

AKcc? 78?


I think the decision is between calling and shoving. And I think shoving is too thin. Really need some kind of reads/history/dynamic.

Doesnt look like either of those hands to me.


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: titaniumbean on February 26, 2010, 02:59:37 AM
I think the only hand he could have that you beat is k9 and you dont sound sure he would have that, nor go mad with it.

AKcc? 78?


I think the decision is between calling and shoving. And I think shoving is too thin. Really need some kind of reads/history/dynamic.

Doesnt look like either of those hands to me.


so exclusively KK/99 then?


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: maldini32 on February 26, 2010, 03:04:13 AM
I think the only hand he could have that you beat is k9 and you dont sound sure he would have that, nor go mad with it.

AKcc? 78?


I think the decision is between calling and shoving. And I think shoving is too thin. Really need some kind of reads/history/dynamic.

Doesnt look like either of those hands to me.


so exclusively KK/99 then?

Just looking at the hand history id say yeah, but Alex has been playing with the guy a lot longer so will have a better feel for villain's holdings.

Nasty spot tho.

Edit: Bet fold river looks appealing especially if hes a decent reg. But i iz no good with the cash pokerz of the holdem variety.


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: AlexMartin on February 26, 2010, 03:23:43 AM
ok, ill give previous hand and notes.


This hand happened earlier in session. the spot before this where i 3b his flop checkraise i folded (air) as he cr then jammed over my flop 3b. Similar board. This hand happened about 20mins earlier.

***** Hand History for Game 3173504958 ***** (Prima)
$400.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, February 26, 12:48:35 ET 2010
Table The Right Stuff 2 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: jammyjenny ( $446.20 USD )
Seat 2: 1baba1 ( $468.40 USD )
Seat 3: Gumbelfant ( $406.00 USD )
Seat 4: LillSnuffsan ( $448.60 USD )
Seat 5: Disconected ( $809.50 USD )
LillSnuffsan posts small blind [$2.00 USD].
Disconected posts big blind [$4.00 USD].
Dealt to jammyjenny [  Kc Ah ]
jammyjenny raises [$12.00 USD]
1baba1 calls [$12.00 USD]
Gumbelfant folds
LillSnuffsan folds
Disconected folds
** Dealing Flop ** [ 8h, Kh, 5h ]
jammyjenny bets [$20.00 USD]
1baba1 raises [$63.00 USD]
jammyjenny raises [$88.00 USD]
1baba1 calls [$45.00 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Tc ]
jammyjenny bets [$156.00 USD]
1baba1 raises [$348.40 USD]
jammyjenny calls [$170.20 USD]
** Dealing River ** [ Th ]
jammyjenny shows [Kc, Ah ]
1baba1 doesn't show [4c, 4h ]
jammyjenny wins $895.40 USD from main pot
1baba1 wins $22.20 USD from main pot


These are the HEM notes i had.

4b is the nuts
cbet air on wet board in 3b pot
3b junk pre otb
will 3barrel AK unimproved on 35378
goes for double checkraise on flop/turn
if he minraises me in 3b pot on flops, jams over 3b





Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: titaniumbean on February 26, 2010, 03:27:40 AM
cawl


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: bobby1 on February 26, 2010, 03:30:20 AM
To be fair Alex, thats very diff to the title and brief synopsis in the OP.

Maybe Titanium is right then, ak clubs could well be a runner.


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: titaniumbean on February 26, 2010, 03:34:37 AM
To be fair Alex, thats very diff to the title and brief synopsis in the OP.

Maybe Titanium is right then, ak clubs could well be a runner.


no one ever has anything it's holdem. you're not a reg unless you do spewy plays regularly. he could have KQ and be loling at our '69 being counterfeited' or the like.


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: maldini32 on February 26, 2010, 03:38:17 AM
now im snapping


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: OnTheBubble on February 26, 2010, 12:24:11 PM
opening up his range by checking the turn would be maybe a better idea?


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: AlexMartin on February 26, 2010, 12:56:57 PM
opening up his range by checking the turn would be maybe a better idea?

his range for betting wont get that much wider, he will however call with gutters, turned fd's and 1 pair hands and we help inflate the pot with a super strong hand when he might check back some marginal/sd value.


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: GreekStein on February 26, 2010, 01:51:08 PM
EH? Snap his head off pls Alex


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: Cf on February 26, 2010, 03:13:59 PM
I would call here.


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: pleno1 on February 26, 2010, 04:50:51 PM
never check the turn imo, want to maximise from all his draws. His line is pretty confusing, but looks too much like 78/md to find a fold. I call.


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: Karabiner on February 26, 2010, 04:59:23 PM
I shove.


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: titaniumbean on February 26, 2010, 05:08:50 PM
I shove.

I think the decision is not between call or fold, but shove or call! Still think a call though he's gotta be hating op quite alot to bet call a Kx hand here.


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: pleno1 on February 26, 2010, 05:55:37 PM
what really? i dont shove here.


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: titaniumbean on February 26, 2010, 06:07:06 PM
what really? i dont shove here.

Do you put him on 4x4h when he raise a montone board then raises a turn bet?! I don't think you can do anything here but call.


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: pleno1 on February 26, 2010, 06:28:19 PM
what really? i dont shove here.

Do you put him on 4x4h when he raise a montone board then raises a turn bet?! I don't think you can do anything here but call.

What? i wasnt advocating anything but calling. Just because we have him beat alot of the time doesnt mean we should raise. Worse doesn't call.


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: titaniumbean on February 26, 2010, 06:46:50 PM
what really? i dont shove here.

Do you put him on 4x4h when he raise a montone board then raises a turn bet?! I don't think you can do anything here but call.

What? i wasnt advocating anything but calling. Just because we have him beat alot of the time doesnt mean we should raise. Worse doesn't call.

Ya I know, as I have said throughout, then again if spewing is to be done, then I think folding is worse than raising.


Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: AlexMartin on February 27, 2010, 11:55:13 PM
yer i called, he had 78cc, i pm'd him later on 2p2, he said he was unsure whether or not he would fold, but im pretty sure he does.



Title: Re: Deep spot w house v solid reg
Post by: pleno1 on February 28, 2010, 01:21:24 PM
yer i called, he had 78cc, i pm'd him later on 2p2, he said he was unsure whether or not he would fold, but im pretty sure he does.



Pretty cold, 9c would of been epic. good call imo.