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Title: nfd v laggy 3bettor, thoughts on hero and villains line Post by: AlexMartin on March 03, 2010, 07:53:35 PM 3/6 microgaming, villain appears to be a winning reg, not masses of history, bar the fact he has an insanely high 3bet of around 13%. Am i being results orientated or is his line total dogshit?
***** Hand History for Game 3185008206 ***** (Prima) $600.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Wednesday, March 03, 07:09:18 ET 2010 Table The Staying 2 (Real Money) Seat 2 is the button Seat 1: traian7 ( $600.00 USD ) Seat 2: jammyjenny ( $600.00 USD ) Seat 3: sarmapt ( $600.00 USD ) Seat 4: gambrinus62 ( $1053.00 USD ) Seat 5: roddias ( $702.00 USD ) Seat 6: Forel1a ( $753.00 USD ) gambrinus62 posts small blind [$3.00 USD]. roddias posts big blind [$6.00 USD]. Dealt to jammyjenny [ As 2s ] Forel1a folds jammyjenny raises [$18.00 USD] gambrinus62 folds roddias raises [$60.00 USD] jammyjenny calls [$48.00 USD] ** Dealing Flop ** [ 6d, 8s, 3s ] roddias bets [$72.00 USD] jammyjenny raises [$224.00 USD] roddias raises [$558.00 USD] jammyjenny calls [$310.00 USD] ** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ] ** Dealing River ** [ Th ] roddias shows [7d, 8d ] jammyjenny doesn't show [As, 2s ] roddias wins $1200.00 USD from main pot roddias wins $96.00 USD from main pot Title: Re: nfd v laggy 3bettor, thoughts on hero and villains line Post by: GreekStein on March 03, 2010, 08:20:33 PM Yeah not a huge fan of his line but I don't like your call of the 3 bet pre Alex.
It might be easier for him to take the line he did if he knows you defend 3 bets with such a wide range. Title: Re: nfd v laggy 3bettor, thoughts on hero and villains line Post by: doubleup on March 03, 2010, 08:23:02 PM Is A2s a great hand to flat a 3 bet - imo wouldn't it be a better hand to bluff 4 bet with?* What kind of hands would you bluff 4 bet someone who 3 bets so much?
*I've been watching videos again Title: Re: nfd v laggy 3bettor, thoughts on hero and villains line Post by: bobby1 on March 03, 2010, 08:26:51 PM Alex, Isnt the point of knowing that the guy three bets very light that you can re pop him when he does three bet. Title: Re: nfd v laggy 3bettor, thoughts on hero and villains line Post by: titaniumbean on March 03, 2010, 08:30:31 PM we're only 100 bbs deep so dont really like 4 bet bluffing unless hes really really bat sheet agro.
3betting from sb should theoretically be stronger, considering its a 3 bet pot that flop is a cooooooler. have you 4 bet him before? how does he react to other peoples 4 bets? Title: Re: nfd v laggy 3bettor, thoughts on hero and villains line Post by: doubleup on March 03, 2010, 08:40:43 PM we're only 100 bbs deep so dont really like 4 bet bluffing unless hes really really bat sheet agro. 4 betting to 26bb is perfectly acceptable as a bluff or for value with 100bb stacks - why do you require to be deeper (Unless you want to blow the dust of the 6 bet bluff)? Title: Re: nfd v laggy 3bettor, thoughts on hero and villains line Post by: Cottonbud on March 04, 2010, 03:44:59 AM Is A2s a great hand to flat a 3 bet - imo wouldn't it be a better hand to bluff 4 bet with?* What kind of hands would you bluff 4 bet someone who 3 bets so much? *I've been watching videos again Correct! Title: Re: nfd v laggy 3bettor, thoughts on hero and villains line Post by: Cottonbud on March 04, 2010, 03:45:33 AM Is A2s a great hand to flat a 3 bet - imo wouldn't it be a better hand to bluff 4 bet with?* What kind of hands would you bluff 4 bet someone who 3 bets so much? *I've been watching videos again Saw a video recently where Galfond flats a 4bet out of 100bb stacks with A2s. It's the future. Schwartz has been doing this for a while now also! Title: Re: nfd v laggy 3bettor, thoughts on hero and villains line Post by: Doobs on March 04, 2010, 11:03:16 AM I don't mind calling here, but not really sure I want to be adding to my 4 bet folding range?
Title: Re: nfd v laggy 3bettor, thoughts on hero and villains line Post by: doubleup on March 04, 2010, 12:28:36 PM I don't mind calling here, but not really sure I want to be adding to my 4 bet folding range? Its obv villain dependent. The way that I understood it is that you start by working out villains 5 betting value range by assuming that villains 3 bet is made up of 60% bluffs and 40% value. So if villain is 3 betting 10% you assume that 4% is value so as a result your value 4 bet would be say 3% and your 4 bet bluffs should be 2% (4 bet value to bluffs ratio should be 6/4). On top of this you should be calling twice as much as raising, so calling e.g ATo - AQo in this example (nb only calling in position, you shldnt call if u were utg and were 3 bet by the btn which I assume is the type of situation with the 4 bet call from galfond). Title: Re: nfd v laggy 3bettor, thoughts on hero and villains line Post by: AlexMartin on March 04, 2010, 12:48:47 PM I don't mind calling here, but not really sure I want to be adding to my 4 bet folding range? Its obv villain dependent. The way that I understood it is that you start by working out villains 5 betting value range by assuming that villains 3 bet is made up of 60% bluffs and 40% value. So if villain is 3 betting 10% you assume that 4% is value so as a result your value 4 bet would be say 3% and your 4 bet bluffs should be 2% (4 bet value to bluffs ratio should be 6/4). On top of this you should be calling twice as much as raising, so calling e.g ATo - AQo in this example (nb only calling in position, you shldnt call if u were utg and were 3 bet by the btn which I assume is the type of situation with the 4 bet call from galfond). problem is as doobs describes, players will 5b bluff a decent chunk. With a2ss specifically, i will flop aces villain will barrel and often flop a relatively strong draw, gutter+over+bdfd and nfd's. Im not concerned too much with preflop, if i assigned a frequency it would prolly be fold 60%, 4b/flat 20%. Title: Re: nfd v laggy 3bettor, thoughts on hero and villains line Post by: EvilPie on March 04, 2010, 02:39:55 PM Is A2s a great hand to flat a 3 bet - imo wouldn't it be a better hand to bluff 4 bet with?* What kind of hands would you bluff 4 bet someone who 3 bets so much? *I've been watching videos again Saw a video recently where Galfond flats a 4bet out of 100bb stacks with A2s. It's the future. Schwartz has been doing this for a while now also! They both got it from Alex"mfckin"Martin innit. Title: Re: nfd v laggy 3bettor, thoughts on hero and villains line Post by: doubleup on March 04, 2010, 04:45:27 PM With a2ss specifically, i will flop aces villain will barrel and often flop a relatively strong draw, gutter+over+bdfd and nfd's. Well thats fine - just make sure all the villains know that you always play fit or fold when calling in 3 bet pots, then they won't stick it in with top pair no kicker. Title: Re: nfd v laggy 3bettor, thoughts on hero and villains line Post by: AlexMartin on March 05, 2010, 03:45:14 AM With a2ss specifically, i will flop aces villain will barrel and often flop a relatively strong draw, gutter+over+bdfd and nfd's. Well thats fine - just make sure all the villains know that you always play fit or fold when calling in 3 bet pots, then they won't stick it in with top pair no kicker. what? Title: Re: nfd v laggy 3bettor, thoughts on hero and villains line Post by: doubleup on March 05, 2010, 12:07:09 PM With a2ss specifically, i will flop aces villain will barrel and often flop a relatively strong draw, gutter+over+bdfd and nfd's. Well thats fine - just make sure all the villains know that you always play fit or fold when calling in 3 bet pots, then they won't stick it in with top pair no kicker. what? you have a huge weak range, villain has a pair and knows you have nothing a huge amount of time. Postflop Analysis with a board of 6d 8s 3s With known hole cards of 8d 7d All cards Total Combos = 224 88 - 66, ATs - A2s, AQo - A8o, KJs - K6s, KQo - K9o, QJs - Q8s, QJo - QTo, JTs - J8s, JTo, T9s, * Any Pair Combos = 26/224 Percent =11.61% * NoPair/NoDraw Combos = 178/224 Percent =79.46% Title: Re: nfd v laggy 3bettor, thoughts on hero and villains line Post by: AlexMartin on March 05, 2010, 12:17:50 PM ordinarily i would argue this range, but i would be lying.
Title: Re: nfd v laggy 3bettor, thoughts on hero and villains line Post by: Dubai on March 05, 2010, 02:31:58 PM I honestly thought this was another one of those bumped threads.
What other line can he take given preflop? Plus I bet ur preflop 4 betting range consists of nearly every hand that beats his!!!!!!!!!! Seriously the hand doesnt need to be posted Alex |