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ok i have told you all often enough if you cant play nice when we are on the topic of football the threads will be deleted

the keane thread has now gone and wont come back

nuff said

can i ask why???

i was PM'ed by another Administrator, and agreed certain things to be deleted, which was done.

the situation was resolved before you butted in.

why does it have to be like this.

why can other administrator's deal with it like they did, yet you cant???

also i have no PM from you informing me of the reasons why, since its partly to do with myself and nemesis?

yes, and ive told you, other admin's were dealing with it, or should i say Delt with it.

the problem was solved, end of, there was no need to you to go too far, as you always seem to do!

was this discussed, with all admin members?????

didnt think so.

but again, we have no say, or opinion, weather or not a thread is deleted.

so as per, we must obey, the great Ironside.

ill not say anymore.

Night Night

Dave

May i ask you explain what happened?
I was enjoying the gentle ribbing.

Look look, a dancing banana!!!

(http://www.smileygbook.de/grafik/smilies/banane.gif)

My god! Is that a dancing herb?

Some idiot spoils it for everyone and the thread got deleted. The guy has been warned 3 times but still he does it. Mark Strahan was warned twice about his behaviour and he got banned.


This message will self destruct once a mod or administrator reads it in...

Hardly helpful folks

I know sir but some people just dont get it

Don't get what?
I don't get it ???
What warning?
Was the warning in the deleted thread?

BTW i'm not trying to be pedantic, i am curious.
 ;ifm;

ifm

You saw there was a problem so you ask questions which almost are certain to recreate the problem. If you want to know PM somebody, try ironside.

All I know is that the tip for Keane to go to Everton turned out like the Titanic  :volin:

Football rivalries are petty and stupid, unless they are about how bad Sunderland are, in which case they are necessary and informative. :D

Why is their an insistence on DELETING contentious threads?

Can't you just LOCK them, so they eventually fade away? That way, everyone has full visibility as to what has been said.

I made a posting to this thread yesterday, then headed to the pub for my works night out. I now have no idea how the rest of the conversation went, which smacks of censorship rather than simply keeping a lid on a debate which may have got a bit heated.

 :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect: :respect:

Nemesis, i have decided to take our conversation off the public forum, and continue it via PM with you.

Therefore you have an urgent PM from me id like you to read, and respond too.

although, i wont hold my breathe that your mature enough to discuss this

Dave

Div, there isn't an insistence on deleting contentious threads. If the thread contains things that are considered to be flaming or offensive then locking serves no real purpose. In other instances, locking may be the appropriate course of action.

To be able to state your opinions on a debate without being flamed left right and centre is important. You get more opinions, on a forum such as this one, from players who would normally not post on a public forum as they can't be bothered with all the flames. Their freedom of speech should not be sacrificed because someone wants to exercise their same right to call everyone names.
Another benifit of a moderated forum is we don't have barrel loads of spam to sift through here.

If a thread is getting out of control, as this one had, after a fair warning, then deleting it is a necessary course of action IMHO.
True, there will be innocents unhappy with it but what can you do? They had a warning and it continued.
If the thread were to continue the behaviour would too, it would spread to other threads. Leaving it there as a monument would only encourage future such behaviour. If you wish for a thread not to be deleted then don't step over the line. There will always be innocent victims, who were enjoying the thread and playing nice, but that is the price we pay for a moderated forum.

I'm not too sure exactly what was said either, and admit to feeling morbidly curious too. I'll live without knowing though, we all know what a slanging match looks like.

who stepped over the line anyway??

someone help...

someone slagged scottish football. i stuck up for it.

went home

came in today and its been deleted....

was it a carry on from somthins i said...

I've no clue.
Just sticking my oar in on a theoretical level as it sounded like Ironside was getting a fair bashing.
You've got to be nice to the ;fish; so they keep donating at the tables, so I thought I'd defend his decision.

TightEnd  I'd suggest locking the THREAD, and deleting specific unacceptable POSTS within the thread.


(edited to correct name!)

Div, that wasnt Kev who said that, and just so you know it was Kev who did the correct thing in the first place, by deleting POSTS within the thread, instead of the un-nessesary act of deleting the whole thing.

Tank, an excellent post and i agree entirely.

I dislike it when threads are deleted and then we are all left guessing, i would prefer an explanation.
The way this thread had gone last night/this morning looked as if Iron had gone over the top, i asked for the reason behind the deletion and quite literally all hell broke loose!!

As i do know what happened in the original thread now (2 members decided to get very personal with each other) the thread was deleted to prevent further abuse, as for deleting the entire thread rather than just the offensive posts that is entirely at the discretion of the mods who have a tough decision.
IMO it was right to do it, though a side effect can be other threads popping up.

As we all know it is a thankless task to be a mod but so, so necessary and they do have the interests of all in mind, occasionally they may go about things in slightly the wrong way but never in their own interests.
I would just ask for a clear explanation as we are all interested parties.
Anyway 've got 24 PM's to delete :)

Ian

ok Div that's noted thank you

An icy breeze from the south will cause a lot of discomfort today.

Anyone got any tips for the weekend footy? I reckon Everton will beat Bolton.  No real reason, I just think they will!!

again Ifm, that's all entirely reasonable, thanks

I wasn't, fortunately  :D, around when as IFM describes it all hell broke loose but rest assured that we will do our best to learn from last night's events

What is this comment trying to prove? Just trying to wind me up even more.

Nemesis, Dave has invited you to discuss your differences via pm,   maybe his way of inviting you wasnt exactly worded in the nicest possible way... but please accept his invitation and keep the squabbling off the forum.   cheers for your co-operation... LOVE YOU ;)

I've sent him a PM explaining everything.

This had nothing to do with the Old Firm it was more a Scottish football is shit debate. Ironically I thought Iron had made some very good points in the debate & then totally over reacted by deleting it.

I was following the thread & slightly involved on & off but kept out of most of it cos I had already made my views known on an earlier thread.

I dont particularly like talking about football on here as there are other places I can do it and no ever agrees anyway. However when someone slags off my team then I'm not taking it lying down & I dont expect anyone else to either. I could have ran amok on here for the last 10 weeks or so in response to posts made by a member of this board at the start of the season that have come back to haunt him big style but I chose not too as I knew where it would lead.

IMHO Kev was dealing with the "banter" & I didn't think those involved were actually serious, I found most of it funny. It may have got out of hand after I logged off last night & if that was the case then fair enough but deleting the thread has just led to more questions than answers.

I hope lessons are learned here.

Can someone tell me if my comments overstepped the mark? I'm just feeling a bit paranoid - I was involved in the thread but only in the afternoon before the Cincins tourney.

No, your comments didnt overstep the mark.

First time I've heard that before! Thanks guys  :D

See this is exactly why I think deleting the thread was a mistake...

I replied to a comment about Roy Keane signing for Celtic. The comment displayed an ignorance of Scottish football. The thread concerned Roy Keane and who he was signing for.

It was absolutely nothing to do with Rangers, politics, or religion. Hence I have no idea why The Old Firm -  a phrase, incidentally, which I despise - is being brought into this discussion.

Who introduced that phrase? I don't know since the thread was deleted!

Obviously it all kicked off later on, but I've got no idea who said what, why or when. But I'd certainly like to know.

I'd suggest restoring the thread (locked) but with any grossly offensive comments deleted only if absolutely necessary.

That way everyone knows what went on, and if anyone deserves to be punished, there's no better punishment than publicising their ignorance or stupidity to the whole community.

IMO yes they did but I dont really take anything you say seriously as I just think are an attention seeking wind up merchant.

Ironside I think you've lost the plot & are obsessed with some sort of Old Firm war breaking out on here. Thats not gonna happen as we understand each other & know where to draw the line, its only when others become invovled with their ignorant opinions that things start to silly

Nem I can't believe you have taken daves comment seriously.

 ;applause; :respect: ;applause;

My whole point is its NOTHING to do with the Celtic/Rangers thing & if you had left the thread where it was then everyone could see that.

IIRC Mikky started on about the Irish/Celtic connection but seeing as you deleted the thread we'll never know.

 

 Look guys, a decision was made by the administration team on blonde, it may be the wrong one, it may be the right one... but whatever your point of view the decision has been made ... can we just put it down to experience and go forward... And if anyone was really offended by the decision can I apologise on behalf of all the Moderators and put this to bed from now.

Sometimes in life people make decisions that we might not neccessarily agree with, but for the good of retaining an atmosphere and an ambience, we go along with them because it is the right thing to do.

Please please please can we all just move on and forget about the thread.

I think you are right Kev, Let's delete this thread as well  :)up

I agree with Kev and Dewi

I tipped a good winner today, it won eased down by 13 lengths  ;topofclass; ;karabiner; ;topofclass;

 :goodpost:

Did you K, N1 - what was it called and why did you not tell us about it

GOTCHA!!

Could I ask that ironside's 'Old Firm' comments be removed as well. They are unhelpful & to be honest I find them as inflamatory as anything else... I mean all the talk of violence when Aberdeen are well known for their organised 'casuals'. as has been pointed out the 'Old Firm' supporters on Blonde have a bit of respect for eachother & get on well.

HAHAHHAAH you are having a laugh arent you? Giving evidence to back up the fact that "scottish football is useless" is not overstepping the mark, neither is referring to the fact that the only reason Celtic has a large fanbase is due to the Irish herritage. Nothing overstepped the mark in my comments. But we will never know, because it was deleted......

Teacake, you're just trouble causing. Unfortunately I can't ignore the drivel spouting forth from your mouth. I said the only reason Celtic has a large following due to the Irish connection and the fact that Ireland has the biggest population of its nationals working abroad. I never mentioned biggotry other than to say that we shall leave biggotry out of this.

If I wanted to talk about bigotry then I would have, since it is the other reason people follow the old firm so vigorously.

Check your PM's please Mr T :)

Mikky, if you don't read your PM's in 5 mins, and act, then I will edit your post :)

Soz to be a harridan, but that's the way it is, ok?

I can see what you are doing .. cause I have eagle eyes :)

Heid
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Its already editted, before you made the first post.......

I want to swear at Teacake, even if you don't want me to, because he is acting like an idiot.

So take it to PM's :)

That's what they are there for..strop in private, the both of you please :)

And Thankyou for editing your post :) Much appreciated :)

Heid the Harridan

What's the phrase about knowing a little about something is worse than knowing nothing? Seriously Mikky, if you really believe that you've got a sad sorry impression of things that sounds straight out of the media, the same media as Ironside's 'Old Firm = violence' stuff. I think at a quiet moment we need to have a wee chat, because I get on fine with you, but I really object to someone being daft enough to think that I support a team because of bigotry OR a team whose support is something caused by bigotry.

Another thread to be closed (not deleted). Bhoys, stay off it, I think the Bears will as well.

Why do I get the feeling tomorrow there's going to be a thread called...

Keane deleted deleted

No, I want this to be on record, because I'm being accused of "starting it" and "a wind up merchant".

There are only wind up merchants here are the ones that took a set of innocent comments in an innocent thread where adult people where having an adult discussion and turned it into a bigotted blood bath.

I'll leave it at that.

C'mon guys Football is a crap game, bunch of overpaid arrogant pansies.

Not worth arguing over football.

Mikky, he's not - but you have married into one side of the divide & are hearing one side - I've seen comments from you that I've objected to, but stayed away from because it wasn't the time or the place, and I thought you didn't know any better.

Take a chill pill, get rid of the inflamatory posts (including mine) and remember that we're all mouthy bastards and all things come across worse when typed than when said.

See you in Cincins and we'll talk about it sensibly & openly.

Rod, come stay near me. You'll see the reason that people support Rangers. They are talk from an early age that singing sectarian songs and to hate anything in green orange and white.

I can't vouch for Teacake, but Dave fully admits to sitting on forums - trouble causing. That is, using language like 'BHOY' in order to provoke a reaction from the rival 'football' fans.

The media don't know the half of it. I have first hand experience at least of Rangers fans. I would describe yourself as an intelligent chap who knows the real issues. . But the vast majority are mindless yobs partaking in idiot marches planned to go past all the areas where their rivals will be, in the name of something most of the world couldn't care less about.

Seconded.... no-one's getting anywhere, it's not nice, everyone is just restating their position and getting more heated about it.

I don't really give a fig about Scottish football, so I am impartial here, there's no motive apart from to stop you lot acting like kids and trying to get the last word in to make you feel like you have the upper hand.

STOP IT!

And if you can't stop it, take it to PM's and stop littering Blonde.

Luckily I don't care what you lot think of me, so it makes no odds if I have annoyed you by saying this, but someone had to .. and here I am.

Get over it, or take it private.

Heid
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The only "DIVIDE" is the one that thinks the old firm is bad and the other who think its really great.

Ironsides, to be honest I care not a jot, i'm sick to the back teeth of other supporters making the accusations while their support still call me a <insert religious insult> (which I get everywhere in Scotland). I'm not willing to get into an argument about Scotland and sectarianism as this isn't the place ( & it's like teaching a pig to dance- dirty, smelly & it only annoys the pig  ). All I know is that if you delete things & pontificate about the evils of the 'Old Firm' I am going to strongly object - I've personally seen serious trouble at 3 games in scotland & 2 of those were Aberdeen & didn't involve the 'Old Firm'. I've also seen all kinds of fights break out between supporters of many different teams (including some fighting their own) - but anything near Glasgow is used by you guys as 'you Old Firm'.


Appolgies to ironsides - didn't notice he'd copied it to me to edit....

Mikky, your showing your own ignorance here, the word Bhoys is not inflamatory & there's nothing wrong with it. you are also projecting the bad things you know about one side onto the other, which is insulting. also if Dave & RFC can meet in Cincins and have a beer together there nothing wrong with either of them. Seriously mate, leave it, we'll meet in Cincins one night & go to a boozer for a pint & discuss it with you in a better realxed atmosphere.

If any of the above comments came out wrongly with emotion then I appologise, Ive edited it to say teacake is acting like an idiot instead of actually being an idiot, cause I know hes not...

You wont change my mind on the issue though Rod. You, Dave, Teacake and co. might be wearing rose tinted glasses when anyone mentions your team. Perhaps you have been brought up well, but take a trip to the slums of Glasgow and spend some time there. Better still, venture out into the sticks of Lanarkshire, where its like going back in time 30 years.

I am married into a family full of bigots. I know you don't want to be tarred with the "blue" brush, but the bigots on both sides are both the same.

Rod, you know yourself that that is rubbish. Enter a scotland chatroom with the name "xyz-bhoy" and what happens, the first rangers fan leaps on him with glee.

Vice versa, enter into a scotland chat room with the name "hun" and see what happens. Its like me walking into a Scottish pub with an England top on. It provokes a reaction. It might not be done deliberately, but thats what it does. And you would be very niaeve to think otherwise.

Its a volatile issue, but dont think for one second that just because you are mature enough to discuss it in an adult fashion, that anyone else is. You only have to listen to the real radio football phone in to realise this.

It takes two to tango. You can't blame the rangers bigots without blaming the Celtic ones too.

Yup, will do. Sounds like a good plan Rod - I know you all and I know your intelligent people. But when things like this arise, even the most pleasant chaps seem to "devolve".

I abhor football violence and biggotory in all it's manifestations. Gentle ribbing between say England and Scottish fans or Rangers and Celtic fans can be a good laugh. Unfortunately there is a fine line and it is very easy to overstep the mark, or at least be percieved as overstepping the mark, which is pretty much the same thing.

The greatest problem with the written word is that you can't express tone and so it is very easy for something to be taken outwith the spirit in which it was intended. Although some comments on this thread were not meant to cause offence, the fact remains that they have done so. Those that have made them should try to refrain from continuing to do so. You guys will meet in person like Rod said, and can discuss it then.

You're right tank.

But I've seen people almost killed because of the "light ribbing". My views may seem ignorant to those fortunate enough not to have to witness such things. But when you have been at the brunt of such violence because of your accent or because of the team you support, you'll realise its not a laughing matter.

Idiots exist in all walks of life. But they seem to populate certain areas more than others. There is a fine line between someone calling me an English bastard and me laughing, and someone calling me an English bastard and me fearing for my life. I know thats not a celtic/rangers issue but the fact that I support liverpool makes me a target for rangers fans also.

mikky, how would a guy with a Man U top get on in Liverpool?

There would be no problem.

You dont see signs saying "No football colours" in manchester OR liverpool. But you see them all around glasgow.

You dont hear of liverpool fans going over to manchester to fight for their cause.

I don't think you can compare Man U vs Liverpool in he same breath as Celtic and Rangers due to the religious connection.

But since Rod has experience of being in Liverpool he will know that many scousers resent mancs.

Its not a football issue, its an issue akin to glasgow and edinburgh where one is seen as the golden city and the other is seen as a city of thieves.

I'm done with this thread, I think I've made myself as clear as I am ever going to be able to do lol. It would be nice to sit down over a drink. This issue isn't going to go away soon. I'd rather talk face to face and perhaps I'd feel more comfortable explaining how this issue has effected me personally.

Look guys, this thread has gotten seriously heated and out of hand, we have asked for an end to it, but obviously you dont seem able to let it drop.   ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.   Its time to just accept that everyone has strong held beliefs and opinions on the subject, and that we will never reach agreement. For the last time, can we make this the last post in this thread and get back to what this forum is all about ...Tolerance, Friendliness and community.

Kev, I think I speak for all of us when I say that we are all friendly, we all play together at cincins. But it is rather too heated. A nice cool beer would be the order of the day methinks

Mikky can i ask mate, when did i admin to going onto forums to deliberately cause trouble???

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I can't vouch for Teacake, but Dave fully admits to sitting on forums - trouble causing.

I am just curious as toi when or where i was when i admitted this to you, cos i sure as hell dont remember it.

And to be honest i think your bang out of order for the way  you reacted with teacake, and how you want it documented on record, that you want to swear at him? You know teacake, you know who he is, so why are you carrying on like that?  He never accused you of "starting it" as you put it, he only said you were a "wined up merchant", and to be honest with you mate i agree with him. You know me well know, and you know what im like, and what i said to Nemesis was taken way out of context, everyone that knows me should have realised that, and that should have included you.

However instead of trying to calm Nemesis down and explaining that it was only a joke, you start going on about, "Oh was it me, was it my fault"

I know i shouldn't be on this thread as Rod has asked that none of us post here anymore, and to close the case. However i had to document on record, that i NEVER, and ill reiterate NEVER admited to you that i come onto forums to cause trouble? Why are you trying to stir it back up with me? Do me a favour, PM RFC and ask him what he think about me, then ask him what he thinks about You or anyone else on the board. I already know the answers he will come back with!

How you can sit at a table and laugh away with me and teacake etc, then come on here and say, ive admited to causing trouble, and wanting top swear at steph (unfortunately, i havent seen what you originally wrote about him, but i take it from Heid's posts, it wasnt very pretty - i wonder if you have PM'ed steph the same comments that you deleted???), and then you turn around and say that we are all good buddies and we will have a pint next week over it?

If im ever going to have a pint with you again, you better turn around and openly admit that you were talking total bollox about my deliberate wanting to cause trouble, or you can forget about any future pint with me mate.

Your 'Buddy' Dave

Dave, Teacake, Mikky....Please take it to PM's - you've all had a say, I don't really give a toss who is right and who is wrong - the only thing I know is that I'm a bit sick of it, so I think a lot of other people are.

Sorry to be blunt, you are all nice chaps, but please let it stop here, ok?

Heid
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i understand where your coming from Heid, which is why i took my Conversation with Nemesis to PM, however what mikky said about me, was Slander, or should i say Liable.

And i was wanting an official explaination as to when i supposidly admitted this to him?

Ill not post one more thing on this subject, as to me it was over before MikkyT was even on it.

Admin gurus a quick question for you.  Why are you allowing this thread to continue?  Its bringing this forum down big time and although its a few regular and well respected users that are involved in the discussion its STILL spoliling Blonde..  Deleting the thread allows people to take their arguements to PM,s and keeps the usual ambience ogf the forum intact.  I Know that its hard being an admin and that you dont want to step on the toes of respected posters but the good of the forum must come first and its time that the thread was deleted and and a one post thread put in its place telling people to take it elsewhere..  Oh and for what its worth I  own a very big CELTIC website and I am involved in the Celtic supporters Association and the Nil By Mouth campaign and feel qualified to comment that this thread will go on forever and will cause nothing but bad feeling and can guarantee you that there is a pile of forum users who are just dying to get involved in the arguement (including me) but for the sake of not  dragging down this very special forum are keeping out of it. Someone else alrady commented on it but when it comes to Celtic and Rangers its true that normal, rational, level headed posters turn into complete idiots (been there done that). If this conversation was going on in a pub it would have been over ages ago with an amicable settlement but because people cant read body language on a forum then every post no matter how innocent and friendly can seem like a serious slight on their character and its so easy to escalate the problem/arguement merely due to the fact that posts get misread or are taken in a manner that they are not meant..  SO now that I have stucki in my tuppence worth back to my question.Why isn't the thread killed off?

Love and kisses   <grin>

Everyone had managed not to post for 9 hours, Tim :)

OK, we don't want to lock this thread down, or do anything nasty to it. I posted here this morning in the hope that we would all be able to act like adults  - congratualtions! We seem to have achieved that.

I firmly believe that people can take responsibility for their own actions, and don't need to have choices taken away from them, in order for them to be able to comply for the good of the whole.

The forum is regaining it's former glory after the shenanigans of the last couple of days - we'd like it to stay that way.

We don't want anymore posts on this thread, we want you to be midnful and respectful of others in future threads, and we want you to all remember that the names on this forum equate to people with feelings and emotions, just like yours.

This thread needs to sink tot he bottom of the pile, so leave it alone, don't post on it, and don't even think about it. This is a trust thing.

If anything else even vaguely nasty is posted on here, then it's going, and we'll all be upset, pissed off and damaged by the fact that people can't be decent to one another this close to Xmas.

Be Nice.. please? I know you are all more than capable of being warm, lovely and NICE people.

Heid
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Interesting challenge from a mod

Hi Dave,

It was in Cincinnati club when me you and Billy where chatting and Billy said something jokingly about the old firm and you said something to the effect of: I'm not winding up the old firm joke today I do enough of that on the internet.

Appologies if I took that to mean that you like to bait people on football forums if you don't actually do that...