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Title: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: George2Loose on March 23, 2010, 10:21:16 PM Full Tilt Poker Game #19504510702: Turbo $50K Guarantee (147211894), Table 23 - 15/30 - No Limit Hold'em - 18:04:02 ET - 2010/03/23 Seat 1: George2Loose (1,985) Seat 2: NASCAR_1949 (1,955) Seat 3: Hesperides (2,000) Seat 4: metfan4590 (1,955) Seat 5: romulas84 (1,895) Seat 6: DHM0219 (2,120) Seat 8: Payton3434 (2,045) Seat 9: TigBitties2 (2,045) DHM0219 posts the small blind of 15 Payton3434 posts the big blind of 30 The button is in seat #5 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to George2Loose [Kd As] TigBitties2 folds George2Loose raises to 90 NASCAR_1949 folds Hesperides folds metfan4590 calls 90 romulas84 folds DHM0219 folds Payton3434 folds *** FLOP *** [Tc 4d 7d] George2Loose bets 120 metfan4590 calls 120 *** TURN *** [Tc 4d 7d] [4s] George2Loose checks metfan4590 checks *** RIVER *** [Tc 4d 7d 4s] [Ah] Xbacco81 sits down Xbacco81 adds 2,000 George2Loose has 15 seconds left to act George2Loose bets 350 metfan4590 has 15 seconds left to act metfan4590 raises to 800 Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: Dubai on March 23, 2010, 10:29:44 PM I have no idea what he can have so i call.
Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: marcin123 on March 23, 2010, 10:35:07 PM sigh call...
Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: outragous76 on March 23, 2010, 11:02:40 PM metfan is the luckiest player alive - obv 44
i fold Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: Blatch on March 24, 2010, 12:57:10 AM I have no idea what he can have so i call. Ahrt Th ldo Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: Dubai on March 24, 2010, 01:11:46 AM Cant have AhTh cos Ah is on the board
Cant have AsTs cos we have the As Cant have AdTd because he surely bets the turn or raises the flop Cant have AcTc cos the Tc is on the board. Hence he cant have ATs. And we can assume he folds ATos pre. Therefore we lose to boats and quads. Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: Blatch on March 24, 2010, 01:13:07 AM Cant have AhTh cos Ah is on the board Cant have AsTs cos we have the As Cant have AdTd because he surely bets the turn or raises the flop Cant have AcTc cos the Tc is on the board. Hence he cant have ATs. And we can assume he folds ATos pre. Therefore we lose to boats and quads. Stop assuming your playing a 1/2 decent player ;) Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: Dubai on March 24, 2010, 01:15:11 AM I just assume we are playing a standard mtt player who's range preflop is narrow and polarised and who's postflop abilites are barely existent :)
Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: Blatch on March 24, 2010, 01:20:26 AM I just assume we are playing a standard mtt player who's range preflop is narrow and polarised and who's postflop abilites are barely existent :) This is why your my hero and why I stake you online :) Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: Doobs on March 24, 2010, 07:04:11 PM If you think his post flop skills are terrible, then why do you think he has managed to pull off a bluff that makes his hand look very much like a full house?
I call here as I can't put hands down, but I am pretty sure I will behind more often than in front and it is a pot odds thing. 99% of poker players play abc on the river (c) Dubai on numerous occasions :) Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: MC on March 24, 2010, 07:42:07 PM I think it's a call.
His line just makes no sense for any of the hands that beat us except mayyyyybbbeeee A7s. Donks can have stuff like 89s and just random stuff here a decent amount. Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: Blatch on March 24, 2010, 07:48:06 PM I think it's a call. His line just makes no sense for any of the hands that beat us except mayyyyybbbeeee A7s. Donks can have stuff like 89s and just random stuff here a decent amount. Really? Surely the average online donk bluffs more than ~2.3x of our river bet. His virtual min raise here has to be A4 soooooooted minimum??? I would be amazed if we are winning here 15% of the time. Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: GreekStein on March 24, 2010, 11:58:57 PM agree with atkin.
[ ] folding Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: Blatch on March 25, 2010, 12:03:31 AM agree with atkin. [ ] folding oh come on what can he seriously have that we beat? The silly raise on the river basically says oh der nutzz. The fact he has checked behind on the turn when the board has paired up, surely says he has filled up or quaded up? Remember this is ya average online donk Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: MC on March 25, 2010, 12:10:26 AM I think it's a call. His line just makes no sense for any of the hands that beat us except mayyyyybbbeeee A7s. Donks can have stuff like 89s and just random stuff here a decent amount. LOL. I misread this hand. I thought he just whammed in 2k and put us all in on the river. Sigh, I still call but pretty much the same as Dubai's reasoning...and I think he has AQ/AJ or something random we beat enough of the time for it to be an okay call... Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: Blatch on March 25, 2010, 12:17:51 AM I think it's a call. His line just makes no sense for any of the hands that beat us except mayyyyybbbeeee A7s. Donks can have stuff like 89s and just random stuff here a decent amount. LOL. I misread this hand. I thought he just whammed in 2k and put us all in on the river. Sigh, I still call but pretty much the same as Dubai's reasoning...and I think he has AQ/AJ or something random we beat enough of the time for it to be an okay call... How? AQ dd or AJ dd probably raises flop and probably doesnt check back turn when we check to him. All other AQ or AJ surely folds on flop? Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: MC on March 25, 2010, 12:24:41 AM I think it's a call. His line just makes no sense for any of the hands that beat us except mayyyyybbbeeee A7s. Donks can have stuff like 89s and just random stuff here a decent amount. LOL. I misread this hand. I thought he just whammed in 2k and put us all in on the river. Sigh, I still call but pretty much the same as Dubai's reasoning...and I think he has AQ/AJ or something random we beat enough of the time for it to be an okay call... How? AQ dd or AJ dd probably raises flop and probably doesnt check back turn when we check to him. All other AQ or AJ surely folds on flop? Well it depends if we assume if he's a good player or not. Most bad players are more than capable of calling with 2 overs. Having OPR'd him I'd be more inclined to fold :) Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: GreekStein on March 25, 2010, 12:37:39 AM Ya with no reads/info etc etc he's just played the hand so weird that this could be some poor bluff (or a good one if people really lay down AK here so easy) or a weirdo raise for value with an Ax float.
Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: MC on March 25, 2010, 12:38:25 AM Ya with no reads/info etc etc he's just played the hand so weird that this could be some poor bluff (or a good one if people really lay down AK here so easy) or a weirdo raise for value with an Ax float. Yeah, exactly... Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: George2Loose on March 25, 2010, 12:43:16 AM I was with Blatch here. I really felt like the ace on the river would be a really bad card to rep/bluff/bet for value. I tanked and tanked wanted to do a fold but pressed call and got shown a 7 with another 7 to match the 7 on board and the other two fours to make a FULL HOUSE which apparantly beats two pair, king kicker.
FWIW I open shoved 95 spades next hand out of frustration and the big blind found AK. Somehow A high won. Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: marcin123 on March 25, 2010, 01:46:43 AM I was with Blatch here. I really felt like the ace on the river would be a really bad card to rep/bluff/bet for value. I tanked and tanked wanted to do a fold but pressed call and got shown a 7 with another 7 to match the 7 on board and the other two fours to make a FULL HOUSE which apparantly beats two pair, king kicker. norrrrrrrrrrr the 9 and the 5 os spades did not get there... sigh....FWIW I open shoved 95 spades next hand out of frustration and the big blind found AK. Somehow A high won. Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: NigDawG on March 25, 2010, 11:41:59 PM villain is an ok reg no? unless its a diff metfan
your line is that of AK/AQ/air so much that can't see him ever raising Ax for value and he should never have A7 or A4 pre so i'd i'd expect to see AA, ATdd, TT, 77, 44 most the time and some air a very small % of the time. Title: Re: Trivial fold without any reads? Post by: pleno1 on March 26, 2010, 01:34:18 AM i like betfolding the river.
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