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Title: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: BAM on March 28, 2010, 02:48:01 PM I'd be interested in some thoughts on this please as it has been bugging me for a bit now. it is still early blinds are 50/100 10K starting stack but fml I have ran into a couple of monsters and lost a few chips. I'm looking to play a big hand when I get QQ UTG, get one caller on the button.
What would you do on this flop? What would you have in mind for the turn? BB (t11590.62) Hero (UTG) (t6659.83) UTG+1 (t10915) MP1 (t9517.50) MP2 (t9271.50) MP3 (t11338.30) CO (t9135) Button (t10604.75) SB (t10967.50) Hero's M: 44.40 Preflop: Hero is UTG with Qd, Qc Hero bets t270, 5 folds, Button calls t270, 2 folds Flop: (t690) 3d, Ad, 10d (2 players) Title: Re: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: GreekStein on March 28, 2010, 02:58:00 PM would make what is called a bet
Title: Re: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: Claw75 on March 28, 2010, 03:46:44 PM I hate spots like this so will be interested in feedback. Anyone raise a little more pre with this hand UTG? Is check-calling the flop terribad?
Title: Re: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: AlexMartin on March 28, 2010, 03:50:27 PM 4X utg w/o antes, flop requires a read and skills you cant teach.
personally i bet as otherwise i lead to multistreet levelling wars with myself. fighting with yourself is not goooooood. Title: Re: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: byronkincaid on March 28, 2010, 03:54:17 PM would make what is called a bet an' if dey waise your bet? Title: Re: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: doubleup on March 28, 2010, 05:28:15 PM would make what is called a bet an' if dey waise your bet? They almost never will - unless hero has a very loose image. Don't think there are many hands in villains calling range that would relish going to war on an ace hi monotone flop. Usually the bet takes this down imo. So I would bet about 500 and give up unless I got to the turn and made a flush. Title: Re: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: GreekStein on March 28, 2010, 06:40:40 PM would make what is called a bet an' if dey waise your bet? They almost never will - unless hero has a very loose image. Don't think there are many hands in villains calling range that would relish going to war on an ace hi monotone flop. Usually the bet takes this down imo. So I would bet about 500 and give up unless I got to the turn and made a flush. Essentially this Byron. I think we get raised such a small % of the time here. Title: Re: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: Horneris on March 28, 2010, 06:45:21 PM i ask myself this question all the time.
Title: Re: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: ChipRich on March 28, 2010, 06:46:00 PM i ask myself this question all the time. hahahahaaha Title: Re: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: Rookie (Rodney) on March 28, 2010, 06:47:14 PM Title: Re: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: byronkincaid on March 28, 2010, 07:02:17 PM i always seem to get raised on one colour or paired flops :(
Title: Re: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: BAM on March 28, 2010, 08:47:03 PM would make what is called a bet how much and if called whats your plan for the turn Title: Re: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: EvilPie on March 28, 2010, 09:04:35 PM would make what is called a bet how much and if called whats your plan for the turn Don't worry about that. It'll only happen a small % of the time anyway. Title: Re: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: BAM on March 28, 2010, 09:13:36 PM sigh
Title: Re: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: StuartHopkin on March 28, 2010, 09:20:58 PM would make what is called a bet an' if dey waise your bet? They almost never will - unless hero has a very loose image. Don't think there are many hands in villains calling range that would relish going to war on an ace hi monotone flop. Usually the bet takes this down imo. So I would bet about 500 and give up unless I got to the turn and made a flush. Think this is the perfect. I bet 30 more on preflop, but anymore is sillysmellypants. Title: Re: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: GreekStein on March 29, 2010, 12:48:32 AM would make what is called a bet how much and if called whats your plan for the turn Make it 350 pre and bet 525 on the flop. Turn I prob bet again. Title: Re: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: BAM on March 29, 2010, 09:08:37 AM would make what is called a bet how much and if called whats your plan for the turn Make it 350 pre and bet 525 on the flop. Turn I prob bet again. A 350 bet pre makes the pot 850 and you lead the flop for 525 you get called (what happens if you get raised?) - turn is a blank, pot is 1900 you bet here you are more than likely going to have to fire again but your stack is now 5700 will you be commiting on the river? Not saying its right or wrong I'm just interested in how others would play as I played it entirely different and was heavily criticised (by a well known player) and that's why I'm wondering 'where did it all go wrong' as I used to be a good player but I have forgotten how to play recently. Thanks for the responses btw I obv dont deserve them ;) Title: Re: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: EvilPie on March 29, 2010, 11:26:09 AM I think you're going to struggle to get a good answer to this one mate because nobody really knows what to do.
It's all good until your oppo puts up some resistance and then you find yourself in a really horrible spot. I personally don't think there's a wrong or right way to play this barring making stupid bet sizes etc. The odd 50 chips here or there won't make much difference and ultimately it's just going to come down to a gut feeling which as Alex says can't be taught. I don't mind betting or checking here at all. If you bet and get raised you hate life. If you check you hopefully keep the pot small but then feel a fool for not extracting value from such a good hand. I agree with Alex about levelling yourself with hands like this. This hand is so easy to mangle beyond belief and you can easily end up doing your whole stack because you convince yourself the other guy must be bluffing. Title: Re: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: BAM on March 29, 2010, 04:26:31 PM I think you're going to struggle to get a good answer to this one mate because nobody really knows what to do. It's all good until your oppo puts up some resistance and then you find yourself in a really horrible spot. I personally don't think there's a wrong or right way to play this barring making stupid bet sizes etc. The odd 50 chips here or there won't make much difference and ultimately it's just going to come down to a gut feeling which as Alex says can't be taught. I don't mind betting or checking here at all. If you bet and get raised you hate life. If you check you hopefully keep the pot small but then feel a fool for not extracting value from such a good hand. I agree with Alex about levelling yourself with hands like this. This hand is so easy to mangle beyond belief and you can easily end up doing your whole stack because you convince yourself the other guy must be bluffing. ;D Right is there anything wrong with the line, he is playing a weak Ace, I'm dismissing flopped flush or any big draw (but possible), I have 2nd nut flush draw. he is deffo gonna bet if I check so I will check raise the flop and take it down? ...and if he calls tilt shove any blank on the turn? Title: Re: Where did it all go wrong? Post by: EvilPie on March 29, 2010, 05:28:18 PM I think you're going to struggle to get a good answer to this one mate because nobody really knows what to do. It's all good until your oppo puts up some resistance and then you find yourself in a really horrible spot. I personally don't think there's a wrong or right way to play this barring making stupid bet sizes etc. The odd 50 chips here or there won't make much difference and ultimately it's just going to come down to a gut feeling which as Alex says can't be taught. I don't mind betting or checking here at all. If you bet and get raised you hate life. If you check you hopefully keep the pot small but then feel a fool for not extracting value from such a good hand. I agree with Alex about levelling yourself with hands like this. This hand is so easy to mangle beyond belief and you can easily end up doing your whole stack because you convince yourself the other guy must be bluffing. ;D Right is there anything wrong with the line, he is playing a weak Ace, I'm dismissing flopped flush or any big draw (but possible), I have 2nd nut flush draw. he is deffo gonna bet if I check so I will check raise the flop and take it down? ...and if he calls tilt shove any blank on the turn? The problem is that he's going to be thinking that you're bluff shoving and that his weak ace is good. Bluffing this board is tough because it looks so good for any hand with the Kd to shove on. If you want to make him lay down an ace you need to make your stand on the flop. If you bet strong on the flop oppo is more likely to believe you have a strong hand and are protecting against a draw. If you're going bust do it while you have 2 cards to come. If you decide not to go bust then control the pot and check. |