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45 man on the bubble. Is this an elementary fold or is there any argument for re-shoving given our 7-8 big blind stack...

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Poker Star Game 41824622888 / Tournament
Table 257210181 4 -
Blinds : 400/800 - Ante 50.0
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8 players
[SB] pike_63 (10780)
[BB] Meet_Rusty (4414)
[1] BaillieT (4895)
[2] lise-no (1640)
[3] Hero (5868)
[4] benben1968 (719)
[5] y/luTo4ka (23823)
[But] random77aces (15361)

Hero :9c :Ad Initial Pot: 1600

BaillieT folds
lise-no is All in
Hero .....................

ISO reshove looks fine to me given the stacks (without running the maths).

Reads on how 2 big stack villains have played would be key too

Not played any of these for a while but I'm thinking it's maybe a fold? He's gonna get a call behind, and there's someone sat on a 719 stack too who needs to double up.

I'm gonna get in quick and say insta shove before Longy comes along with the correct answer.

I assume you shove if it folds to you and the opener's range is miles behind you so I can't see how fold can be correct.

It's a bit different when he doesn't shove because there's now 0 chance of him going out this hand.

How'd you work that out?

i agree with this, also our reshoves "tightens" up our range too and are so much less likley to get called too light (also assisited by the super shorty behind us). However  if i knew that the huge stack would def call lighter then I fold this spot

 shove for sure I think.  it has the bnefit of probably being both a shove for value (from the opener and 719 stack) and might even get better to fold from the later stacks.

How can there be 0 chance of going out?

There's 0 chance of the original shover going out if he does not shove. Thus the scenario you posted of us shoving if folded to us is different. Whether it makes much of a difference to whether we should be folding or shoving i'm not sure.

I think we're supposed to fold this hand because of ICM, however I'm having trouble in saying a shove is wrong mainly cos this seems a reasonable spot to have a shot at having a stack to play with.

I fold,

I happy to iso this from later position but with 4 people to act behind I am folding. The sick thing in these spots is that our hand isn't normally in that good shape when we get to showdown against the original raisor, people push too tight in these spots especially given there is another shortie. Oh yeah and ICMaments.

I learnt something because I would say fold also

eh? this is an EASY fold

I would fold here too.

Not a special hand and pretty sure the BB is gonna call the shortie shove.

Would rather not have a iso shove with A9 for future credibility.  Get the shortie out and then play from there.  If we re shove and lose we are then in danger of bubbling ourselves.

snap fold...

I disagree that this is an "easy fold"....it's certainly worth a ponder, I mean we're supposed to fold ATs here also but would we classify that as an easy fold? I think the hands play quite similar in this spot.

But agree that a fold is the right decision...

I would have jammed in this spot 6 months ago

Just like this isnt an easy fold - i dont think that jamming is terrible - i think the answer is dependant upon you M.O. in these games.

These  things tend not to play like a standard sng on the bubble.

We are not going to get called behind too light

if we win - we are in much better shape.

If we lose we are still unlikely to bubble - we will prob just min cash - but we are lookig at doing that anyway

I thought that hand looked familiar!

I was the 'hero' in this instance and have read the comments with interest - thanks everyone.  I have much to learn and hope MC will continue to coach me even though I missed a button shove in previous level.  My ears still bleeding from 'nice but firm' rollicking.

Outragous76 sums up my thought process perfectly prior to the jam. 

Just wondering whether the following info would change whether A9 was easy fold?

I have TN set to 'auto refresh info tab for tournaments' and noted that the blinds increased to 600/1200 on very next hand, prior to getting it in.  I therefore surmised (probably incorrectly!) that the original shover was probably on ATC as was gonna be blinded out anyway.  Also, the blinds were upon me two hands later and then i really would be getting called light by the big stacks.... a desperate move to stay competitive.

Easier fold?  Less easy fold?

fold from here, i shove if on btn/sb.

Lol

i didnt think it was horrible

i guess the super shorty makes it a fold - but its close.

im also not a grinder, so teh small scores im prepared to let go for bigger ones - even in SNGs

I fold AT and probs AJ too