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OK, so it's a live donkament. 14-15 left. 8 paid. Ave stack around 43K, I am in the SB with approx 38K.

Blinds 600/1200 R/A 100

Folded to the button who raises to 5500. Button is OK player, not a nit but tight (ish) in tourneys, usually c-bets most of his raises, can lay down a hand though. Wears a body warmer. He has me covered with around 60K

So, I have  Ad Ks - how do you play this optimally out of the blinds ?

Buttons stack ?

raise and shove/get it in on flop or shove

LMAO at his body warmer getting a mention

Flat if you want to get funky or just ship it in now not keen on raising half our stack just get it in

lol, was a key consideration last night

Meh. Shove

Shove depending on the colour of said body warmer! If its green i snap fold!

Pretty easy shove.

No value in getting sneaky unless you know a lot about how he plays flops.

fk shove, 13.5

button flats and flop comes j x x

next move?

 ;popcorn;

Glennda.  Shove.  Then sit there in disbelief as you can see the cogs whirring on the buttons face.  He knows hes beat. You know hes beat.  But you also know he is going into the tank until such times as he can convince himself that his A8 might actually be winning and make a god awful call.

You should try it, its great fun and very theraputic.

lol,

Been wondering about the whole shove thing which seems to be the main thought here but why are we shoving ? Do we abs want the call or are we trying to take whats there in an ideal world and if we get a call we're OK with it ?

This is Alex fkn Martin we're talking bout here. That flop aint gonna happen and if it does he's smacking the banjo out of it on the turn and river

Anyway, nearly played it like Alex, re-popped to 15.5K

Shoving is weak but in most live comps I find it's just easier.

I've tried to go down the 3 bet line but it seems to go wrong more than it goes right. Perhaps I'm just remembering the times I've been screwed over by someone who "likes the look" of his 36s and calls my crai on the flop with bottom pair.

Yeah it's probably not optimal but it saves hurt if we miss and have to play a flop oop against an oppo who could have pretty much any two.

But realistically I agree that 3 bet to 14 or 15k is the best line. I just think we're going to struggle to play any flop that we miss because both of us have comitted so much of our stacks.

I doubt Alex is suggesting folding at any point post flop, just raising means villian will probably peel/shove with a wider range than if we shove. The drawbacks of raising are that villian may play fit/fold postflop (which is really bad obv but ppl do it all the time) and we lose getting the extra 20k or so in there we may have got if we had shoved.

I think it is pretty close between the 2 tbh and I would probably shove as it takes less effort and speeds the game up.

Be interesting to hear Alex's view, are we raising because we want to induce a shove with the tourney status/stack sizes as described ?

3betting creates a pot equal to your remaining stack so it makes you look ridiculously strong. Also your oppo will rightly figure the rest is going in after the flop anyway if he calls. So he knows he's playing for stacks whatever he does now. I really don't think his playing range widens if you 3bet either, in fact it prob tightens. You really don't need premium to be shoving over a button raise here and if villain has a genuine raising hand pushing can easily induce a hero call from his bigger stack, especially short-handed. Pushing means the hand's easier for you to play and gives you the best chance of a full double up.

If this is a standard comp down your local your opponent will likely not think about any of the above if you standard 3 bet. He'll probably peel with J10 suited and stack off on any flop you hit. Prefer a three bet if you have QQ+ With AK just get it in pre

The fact you only 3bet here with the very cream of your range demonstrates just how strong the move looks. Also effects your range balancing. And even the most basic players grasp that calling the 3bet will put more chips in the middle than their oppo has left.

Thsi makes sense. Your move looks strong so only 3 bet the cream of your range?

Or the shove looks weak and u get snapped by AJ

shove looks strong and wont get called by worse/looks like AK and will get called by pairs more often. Im talking about this hand from your specific image glen, where a jam looks huge imo. We want villain to  bluff jam/jam with worse/peel light and let us win more when we jam the flop.

Post flop you jamming any board?

Min raise

Spot is ripe for a maneuveur called the go and go

3 bet to 15-20k ish and if called shove it in on any flop.

Meh I would check a lot of flops we hit/smash, 2pr+ and dry ace/king high boards.

Thanks for all the input chaps, nice to get views from people who think about the game a little more deeply than I tend to.

If you don't think it makes sense why is it your strat?

I'm not agreeing with that three betting here looks super strong. You're saying it looks super strong so why wouldn't you 3 bet air here?

Errrm you maintain 3betting doesn't look super strong but you only 3bet with super strong hands. The vast majority of people will have a thin 3betting range in this spot just like you do....but you think the move will look like you have a weak hand. That's what makes no sense. I would and have 3bet with air in this kind of spot for those reasons.

i'd shove and lol to myself about how many extra bb's he gave me than he needed to

lol at whoever says flat pre and play "sneaky"
i dont get the concept of range balancing vs a live player we might play 15 times
in our lives.

agree that anyone who makes it 5500 at 600/1200 is exactly the type of player to peel your 3bet with JTs
Mantis, seems in your posts like you give the average mateyboy way too much credit for being observant and savvy.
You seem to play your opponents as if you were playing yourself, i.e u shove the river because he can't call because you wouldnt in his shoes. If that make sense.

:P

HE'S WEARING A BODY WARMER?!!?


Sick read.

I didn't say do it,I said do that if you want to get funky but I'm pretty much always shoving.Why is that lol ?

My point was that I thought it was standard shove,As I said I didn't like to 3bet<<<<<<<<<Shoving as although I can see the merits of it I prefer to shove as we look light and at worse are racing and I'd assume this will be pretty much a shovefest final so we're happy to be racing here.

Wait, are you saying I'm a savvy player? No, I get what you mean but by contrast I think most of you guys give too little credit to the average mateyboy. I have played regular live poker for a number of years and I think the standard of a regular player is decent enough. I don't like basing a poker strat on the assumption that our oppo is shit just because they are playing live.

Also girls if you disagree with somebody on this board and you support your views with valid points that really isn't having an argument.

couldn't agree less

+1 gazillion

I normally have big gaps between playing live as It tilts me hard in general but it always shocks me how bad the standard is and no matter what level it's at.The 1k wsop event with people 13x it level 1 was pretty com.

So basically +1 from me to :)

Great thread chaps, i learn so much from these.

Me, as  a Donk,  i shove, when does AK ever pay the bills, make use of its power pre gain the exta out and stick it in his eye let him make the decision, if he calls and i lose.... next game.  The addition to our stack if he folds seems to be nice and i would be happy with that.

I get no love from ak ( like us all i know)  and that is why in particular i like AK  HH.

My general play with ak though is stan r, stan c bet LD to aggro i guess that this is generaally correct ??


Steve