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Title: Cheat?
Post by: valuehunter on April 12, 2010, 06:32:06 PM
Not sure if I fell for the oldest poker trick in the book, but is this player wily or a cheat?

In a live cash-game on the big blind I get 2 callers. I have  Qd 2c and just check. The flop is: Qs 2s  4h. The early position caller raises to £5 (blinds 0.50/£1), the second caller folds and I flat call. On the turn ( 5c) he raises to £8 and I flat call. He now has just £25 remaining. On the river ( Ad) he moves the rest of his chips over the line silently. I announce call instantly, upon which he says "what? I haven't bet yet" then pulls the chips back towards him. I then announce all in and he passes. He's a cheat...right?! When I told him he was he said he was just looking for my reaction before deciding what to do - is that even allowed?



Title: Re: Cheat?
Post by: George2Loose on April 12, 2010, 06:34:57 PM
Seems fine to me. You can withdraw a bet if you're bluffing and get called. Standard poker rules


Title: Re: Cheat?
Post by: valuehunter on April 12, 2010, 06:36:16 PM
Really? So I was an idiot for not waiting until he released the chips?!


Title: Re: Cheat?
Post by: EvilPie on April 12, 2010, 06:38:36 PM
Seems fine to me. You can withdraw a bet if you're bluffing and get called. Standard poker rules

Behave George.


Title: Re: Cheat?
Post by: doubleup on April 12, 2010, 06:38:50 PM
Seems fine to me. You can withdraw a bet if you're bluffing and get called. Standard poker rules

yes and if you are first to act and check you can go allin, if someone acting after you withdraws the bet in this manner (ldo if he calls you can take your allin back)


Title: Re: Cheat?
Post by: George2Loose on April 12, 2010, 06:40:24 PM
Also if you speak Swahili and drink from a hip flask 2's are wild


Title: Re: Cheat?
Post by: valuehunter on April 12, 2010, 06:56:06 PM
Ah, constructive stuff. Thanks ;smackedbottom;


Title: Re: Cheat?
Post by: h on April 12, 2010, 07:36:43 PM
Also if you speak Swahili and drink from a hip flask 2's are wild

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Title: Re: Cheat?
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Title: Re: Cheat?
Post by: h on April 12, 2010, 10:11:49 PM
Not sure if I fell for the oldest poker trick in the book, but is this player wily or a cheat?

In a live cash-game on the big blind I get 2 callers. I have  Qd 2c and just check. The flop is: Qs 2s  4h. The early position caller raises to £5 (blinds 0.50/£1), the second caller folds and I flat call. On the turn ( 5c) he raises to £8 and I flat call. He now has just £25 remaining. On the river ( Ad) he moves the rest of his chips over the line silently. I announce call instantly, upon which he says "what? I haven't bet yet" then pulls the chips back towards him. I then announce all in and he passes. He's a cheat...right?! When I told him he was he said he was just looking for my reaction before deciding what to do - is that even allowed?



hi welcome to the forum

i dont play live much (if at all )

so not best person to reply
someone who nows what there talking about i am sure will reply

Hugh


Title: Re: Cheat?
Post by: MANTIS01 on April 12, 2010, 11:27:04 PM
Yeah he's allowed to do that. In the same way you're allowed to pick up a chair and break it over his back.


Title: Re: Cheat?
Post by: ScottMGee on April 12, 2010, 11:27:33 PM
I would say the guy is cheating.

Most casinos have a 'betting line' and chips that cross that line are in the pot.

That said, you should have waited for him to release the chips or announced all in, as some players put a whole stack of chips over the line and the then pull some of them back leaving their bet*

*For the record I think this is really bad.


Title: Re: Cheat?
Post by: Claw75 on April 12, 2010, 11:29:13 PM
where was this game? presumably it was self dealt?


Title: Re: Cheat?
Post by: mouth on April 12, 2010, 11:30:58 PM
Yeah he's allowed to do that. In the same way you're allowed to pick up a chair and break it over his back.

Only correct answer on here


Title: Re: Cheat?
Post by: AlexMartin on April 13, 2010, 12:48:05 AM
Also if you speak Swahili and drink from a hip flask 2's are wild

awesome!!!!!!



Title: Re: Cheat?
Post by: valuehunter on April 13, 2010, 02:56:37 PM
where was this game? presumably it was self dealt?

Yes, self dealt - at the Empire Casino in London. He had a friend who nodded in agreement when he protested his innocence and so I moaned / called him a cheat for a minute but let it go. Perhaps I should have called the card room guy over for a ruling - wonder what their policy is. Ok, well, older and wiser.


Title: Re: Cheat?
Post by: valuehunter on April 13, 2010, 02:59:13 PM
Yeah he's allowed to do that. In the same way you're allowed to pick up a chair and break it over his back.

Now that's a poker rule I like!


Title: Re: Cheat?
Post by: fidget on April 13, 2010, 05:11:07 PM
Did he have a Ferrari T Shirt and a silver chain?
If so he's known for this type of thing - he will also unplug your laptop to charge hid own up.
If you see him again shoot him a filthy look when hes not looking and tut under your breath.


Title: Re: Cheat?
Post by: Claw75 on April 14, 2010, 12:49:10 AM
where was this game? presumably it was self dealt?

Yes, self dealt - at the Empire Casino in London. He had a friend who nodded in agreement when he protested his innocence and so I moaned / called him a cheat for a minute but let it go. Perhaps I should have called the card room guy over for a ruling - wonder what their policy is. Ok, well, older and wiser.


Yep - deffo do this if you find yourself in a similar position in the future. card room staff should be able to check the action on camera.


Title: Re: Cheat?
Post by: ihatethevic on April 16, 2010, 11:23:06 PM
Yeah he's allowed to do that. In the same way you're allowed to pick up a chair and break it over his back.
You get double player points for a month as well. The Empire is the only place I've played where they had to stop the game , to wipe blood off the walls.