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Title: kk deep Post by: piestack on May 02, 2010, 08:13:24 PM standard call??
6-max Seat #4 is the button Seat 1: UTG ($798.30 in chips) Seat 2: UTG +1 ($531 in chips) Seat 3: Villain ($1062.60 in chips) Seat 4: BTN ($378.90 in chips) Seat 5: SB ($807.40 in chips) Seat 6: Hero ($1340.80 in chips) SB: posts small blind $2 Hero: posts big blind $4 UTG: posts the ante $0.80 UTG +1: posts the ante $0.80 Villain: posts the ante $0.80 BTN: posts the ante $0.80 SB: posts the ante $0.80 Hero: posts the ante $0.80 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to Hero [Kc Kh] UTG: raises $8 to $12 UTG +1: folds Villain: raises $24 to $36 BTN: folds SB: folds Hero: raises $89 to $125 UTG: calls $113 Villain: raises $163 to $288 Hero: calls $163 UTG: folds pot~700 *** FLOP *** [7d Jh Jd] Hero: checks Villain: bets $773.80 and is all-in Hero: calls $773.80 Title: Re: kk deep Post by: marcin123 on May 02, 2010, 08:36:30 PM fold the flop... he has aces here 99% of the time... unless he is really spewy therefore call...
Title: Re: kk deep Post by: AlexMartin on May 02, 2010, 10:02:45 PM stats/read/history?
Title: Re: kk deep Post by: piestack on May 02, 2010, 10:41:41 PM no history, not many hands, maybe 200, stats were about 25/20 3bet~8%
nothing retarded of note in those hands. Title: Re: kk deep Post by: AlexMartin on May 03, 2010, 03:39:04 AM wp, chalk it up, snap.
Title: Re: kk deep Post by: paulhouk03 on May 06, 2010, 03:35:20 PM Call
I think folding here is terrible Title: Re: kk deep Post by: DMorgan on May 08, 2010, 04:34:53 AM Hero should be all in pre, and be snapping off this shove
If you ran into AA, unlucky. Still never folding. Title: Re: kk deep Post by: titaniumbean on May 08, 2010, 04:40:04 AM Title: Re: kk deep Post by: desperadogm on May 08, 2010, 06:33:33 AM so u flat many hands OOP to a 5 bet vs this guy? - looks like ur playing the krantz style, i mean just how polarised are u trying to make ur shoving range here or how wide of a 5bet OOP flatting range do u think u can rep. Just ship it pre and profit in the longrun.
As played i find the fold button on the flop. Title: Re: kk deep Post by: DMorgan on May 08, 2010, 12:56:40 PM Just ship it pre and profit in the longrun. As played i find the fold button on the flop. Theres no way that you can justify shoving preflop...but folding this flop. How much does this flop improve his 5bet hand range? If anything this is a much bigger snapcall on the flop than it is a shove pre. There are now $1473 out there and its $774 to call so you only need 34.5% equity to make this a good call. Even if you take his range down to AA, the other two kings and QQ we have 51% equity. Against what is a more realistic range imo, we're 65% AA,KdKs,QQ,JcJs,TT-99,AdKd,AdQd,KdQd Title: Re: kk deep Post by: desperadogm on May 09, 2010, 09:46:27 AM nope, relative ranges are vastly different preflop than they are on the flop- esp since we give away so much about our hand. shoving pre also has benefits for balancing a nice overall preflop game, flatting the 5bet here seems awfull with nearly any hand and easy to play optimally against.
Title: Re: kk deep Post by: titaniumbean on May 09, 2010, 11:00:45 AM Just ship it pre and profit in the longrun. As played i find the fold button on the flop. Theres no way that you can justify shoving preflop...but folding this flop. How much does this flop improve his 5bet hand range? If anything this is a much bigger snapcall on the flop than it is a shove pre. There are now $1473 out there and its $774 to call so you only need 34.5% equity to make this a good call. Even if you take his range down to AA, the other two kings and QQ we have 51% equity. Against what is a more realistic range imo, we're 65% AA,KdKs,QQ,JcJs,TT-99,AdKd,AdQd,KdQd What the hell? The antes being in play should greatly affect people's play. Shove pre all day. Title: Re: kk deep Post by: titaniumbean on May 10, 2010, 05:06:39 AM fix it for me then pls thx. I was only trying to refer to the fact that KK is a good hand pre even more so because of the antes. It's not like we've been given a read saying hes the biggest nit ever and he thinks he's in a 10 handed game.
Title: Re: kk deep Post by: DMorgan on May 10, 2010, 06:04:05 AM What I meant was that you can't advocate shoving preflop if you're going to say that folding this flop is a good play
Title: Re: kk deep Post by: titaniumbean on May 11, 2010, 01:55:41 AM What I meant was that you can't advocate shoving preflop if you're going to say that folding this flop is a good play ah furry muff my post comprehension must be abysmally low this week. :-) |