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no real read on oppo
do we 3b fold or flat

personally i thinking flatting is by far the worst option
but is the choice between shoving and folding a 50/50 or is one much greater than the other?

PokerStars Game #43752481207: Tournament #309010495, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (200/400) - 2010/05/07 21:19:10 WET [2010/05/07 16:19:10 ET]
Table '309010495 379' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: igorkotei (5575 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: xxvicelifexx (16002 in chips)
Seat 3: shipower (15020 in chips)
Seat 4: bata_mija (8725 in chips)
Seat 5: hyppo55 (7675 in chips)
Seat 6: Ironside (26645 in chips)
Seat 7: dan1er (9884 in chips)
Seat 8: all in 2526 (29276 in chips)
Seat 9: lolo2406 (5545 in chips)
igorkotei: posts the ante 50
xxvicelifexx: posts the ante 50
shipower: posts the ante 50
bata_mija: posts the ante 50
hyppo55: posts the ante 50
Ironside: posts the ante 50
dan1er: posts the ante 50
all in 2526: posts the ante 50
lolo2406: posts the ante 50
xxvicelifexx: posts small blind 200
shipower: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [Jd Jh]
bata_mija: folds
hyppo55: raises 2000 to 2400

shove

Taking into account his stack size, and ours, a 3 bet pretty much sets him in. I'd 3-bet call his shove.

I wouldn't shove, there are too many decent sized stacks left to act.    

Don't see why you are dismissing flatting, looks very strong and you are unlikely to be 3 bet light.  I doubt he is folding pre if you raise to 5k.  

Not sure of the plan on the flop tho other than pushing if he checks a non ace flop.

His hand is screaming AK or AQ + 88 through to JJ.

Make it 5.6k and snap a shove from anybody apart from seats 2, 3 or 8 who you will fold to please.

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PokerStars Game #43752481207: Tournament #309010495, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XIII (200/400) - 2010/05/07 21:19:10 WET [2010/05/07 16:19:10 ET]
Table '309010495 379' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: igorkotei (5575 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: xxvicelifexx (16002 in chips)
Seat 3: shipower (15020 in chips)
Seat 4: bata_mija (8725 in chips)
Seat 5: hyppo55 (7675 in chips)
Seat 6: Ironside (26645 in chips)
Seat 7: dan1er (9884 in chips)
Seat 8: all in 2526 (29276 in chips)
Seat 9: lolo2406 (5545 in chips)
igorkotei: posts the ante 50
xxvicelifexx: posts the ante 50
shipower: posts the ante 50
bata_mija: posts the ante 50
hyppo55: posts the ante 50
Ironside: posts the ante 50
dan1er: posts the ante 50
all in 2526: posts the ante 50
lolo2406: posts the ante 50
xxvicelifexx: posts small blind 200
shipower: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Ironside [Jd Jh]
bata_mija: folds
hyppo55: raises 2000 to 2400
Ironside: raises 5600 to 8000
dan1er: folds
all in 2526: folds
lolo2406: folds
igorkotei: folds
xxvicelifexx: folds
shipower: folds
hyppo55: calls 5225 and is all-in
Uncalled bet (375) returned to Ironside
*** FLOP *** [2c As 4s]
*** TURN *** [2c As 4s] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [2c As 4s 9h] [4c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
hyppo55: shows [Qd Qc] (two pair, Queens and Fours)
Ironside: shows [Jd Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Fours)
hyppo55 collected 16300 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 16300 | Rake 0
Board [2c As 4s 9h 4c]
Seat 1: igorkotei (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: xxvicelifexx (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: shipower (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: bata_mija folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: hyppo55 showed [Qd Qc] and won (16300) with two pair, Queens and Fours
Seat 6: Ironside showed [Jd Jh] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Fours
Seat 7: dan1er folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: all in 2526 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: lolo2406 folded before Flop (didn't bet)



i made it 8k to put him all in let the others no i was serious and knew if they 4b i was beat


about 10 minutes later he made same move i had AK and shoved he snapped with AJ so got te chips back

JJ into QQ against a guy with 19BBs is just a cold deck....no way you should be folding or flatting here