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Title: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: paulhouk03 on May 10, 2010, 04:21:06 AM
Manchester 235 1 2£

Hero been solid and been called a rock. has shown down one hand which was aces which i lost with.
vilian seems like a solid reg has me covered.
siting with 400 (started with 200)

6 limpers

i call in sb with 9t


9t4 rainbow flop

i check
utg bets 7
2 callers
i raise to 25
utg smooths (has 50 before hand)
villian raises to 85
what do i do?


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: George2Loose on May 10, 2010, 04:29:40 AM
what do you do? Put up a hand history we can understand


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: EvilPie on May 10, 2010, 12:57:34 PM
What do you do?

Whatever action will get the most chips in the middle as quickly as possible.


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: gatso on May 10, 2010, 01:22:26 PM

Hero been solid and been called a rock. has shown down one hand which was aces which i folded.


me no understand jimmy choo. the only hand you've showndown was aces but you folded them?


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: GreekStein on May 10, 2010, 01:25:29 PM
Paul come off it man, you KNOW there's no need to post this hand.

Get it in OBV.

Sometimes you lose to a set, shit happens.


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: paulhouk03 on May 10, 2010, 01:27:24 PM

Hero been solid and been called a rock. has shown down one hand which was aces which i folded.


me no understand jimmy choo. the only hand you've showndown was aces but you folded them?

yeah i open folded


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: MC on May 10, 2010, 01:35:31 PM
Paul come off it man, you KNOW there's no need to post this hand.

Get it in OBV.

Sometimes you lose to a set, shit happens.

+1

And probs not wise to open fold Aces ;)


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: Cf on May 10, 2010, 02:05:02 PM
Paul come off it man, you KNOW there's no need to post this hand.

Get it in OBV.

Sometimes you lose to a set, shit happens.

+1

And probs not wise to open fold Aces ;)

It is if you know they're going to get busted.


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: paulhouk03 on May 10, 2010, 02:22:06 PM
I openly folded
456k8 board flush hit straight hit
Sb bet 40 and called
So I just folded face up


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: Girgy85 on May 10, 2010, 02:23:59 PM
I openly folded
456k8 board flush hit straight hit
Sb bet 40 and called
So I just folded face up

Open fold means u folded before the flop to no action.


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: paulhouk03 on May 10, 2010, 02:50:06 PM
I openly folded
456k8 board flush hit straight hit
Sb bet 40 and called
So I just folded face up

Open fold means u folded before the flop to no action.

thANKS


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: gatso on May 10, 2010, 02:54:23 PM
ah, so the only hand you've shown down wasn't shown down.

I assume we've got it in while trying to figure out what's going on?

the only bit of this whole thread that works for me is you calling yourself hero, everyone should call you hero imo


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: MC on May 10, 2010, 03:05:24 PM
the only bit of this whole thread that works for me is you calling yourself hero, everyone should call you hero imo

Might have agreed if he hadn't tried to claim he "openly folded" on the river of a hand  ;djinn;


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: paulhouk03 on May 11, 2010, 03:16:47 AM
i dont think i can ever fold top two on that board
my mate said it was an easy fold and i over commited myself.
personally i would raise>shove>call>fold

I think the flatter could easily have a pair plus back doors or two pairs or sd but
my mate came out with some shit with this

Aaron says:
 so ur telling me he wants 2-1 with his SD?!
 dude ur being so stubborn
 i told u what i think first time and i was right
 now i am explaining why
 dude if i was him, i wud probs flat the 25 to see what u do on the turn
 cos if i had a set
 i defo put u on 2 pairs
 cos u RR OOP to 25...
 thats what screams a strong hand
 and if i am coming OVER THR TOP OF YOU
 with another 60 on top... wtf does that say?
 ur thinking TOO mcuh
 remmeber ur in the SB u cud have whatever 7 u want
 104, 94, 10 9,
 so now with ur 25, esp in the SB
Paul says:
 so u would just flat?
Aaron says:
 i know u probs got 2pair
Paul says:
 fold
Aaron says:
 flat, check fold probs
 or just fold
 i wud just fold
 i told u i wud give him the benefit of the doubyt
 and just fold
 he aint playing the shorty, infact, he is just playing u, hoping u wud call the 60 and price the SS in
 so he wud shove
 and then on the turn make u pot committed
 thats most likely his plan and if i had a bottom set against a SB who RRed to 25



he goes on to talk alot of shit


Paul says:
 so for u call>fold>raise?
Aaron says:
 fold > call > raise
 esp with the way the hand played out
 even if he doesnt have bottom set, is it worth u commiting so mcuh money when he most likely have the same hand?!
 ur commiting 60 more to win..... 25 of ur own plus about 30 pound in the pot chopped between u 2?
 that is bad equity no matter how u look at it



meh i think he is an idiot anyway lol


also is my raise on the flop way too small?


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: AlexMartin on May 11, 2010, 05:20:55 AM
combinatronics+ range = flat. not close.



Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: NigDawG on May 11, 2010, 11:05:32 AM
i dont play cash but isn't your flop raise ridic too small? would of thought you should be making this nearer £40-£50?


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: Skgv on May 11, 2010, 04:29:47 PM
i dont play cash but isn't your flop raise ridic too small? would of thought you should be making this nearer £40-£50?
Did hear when u use to attempt cash u were awful! But that was over a year ago an as ive noticed ur game has come along way wt results as well! mbn to win! mmm im learning forum slangs ! An Chris me old m8 u r spot on wt ur words of wisdom the raise was to small an ur ball park figure was fantastic!!! See u at notts ! X


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: pleno1 on May 11, 2010, 06:31:31 PM
combinatronics+ range = flat. not close.



really? i think try to get it in here. 0 nice turn cards and we are like 6 way. if he has £50 and has made it £7 I just shove, need stack sizes of others in hand though obv.


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: doubleup on May 11, 2010, 08:04:41 PM
combinatronics+ range = flat. not close.



really? i think try to get it in here. 0 nice turn cards and we are like 6 way. if he has £50 and has made it £7 I just shove, need stack sizes of others in hand though obv.

yes agree get it in as long as not 2500bbs.  Think that most likely hand is retardly played overpair.


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: AlexMartin on May 12, 2010, 05:52:11 AM
combinatronics+ range = flat. not close.



really? i think try to get it in here. 0 nice turn cards and we are like 6 way. if he has £50 and has made it £7 I just shove, need stack sizes of others in hand though obv.

yes agree get it in as long as not 2500bbs.  Think that most likely hand is retardly played overpair.

deffo agree that its likely an overpair, but pot is highly unlikely to continue multiway/people wont be peeling with gutterballs too often here given action wont be closed but most importantly imo jamming this flop would look so ridiculously strong without a maniac image. slowplaying fish dont see a flat here an go sigh im fucked, they go he must have a straight draw, im allin on the turn. stacks would be helpful as would be a neater hh, think you can input a live hh that gets converted somewhere, not deuces, might be leggo.



Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: GreekStein on May 12, 2010, 01:53:22 PM
combinatronics+ range = flat. not close.



really? i think try to get it in here. 0 nice turn cards and we are like 6 way. if he has £50 and has made it £7 I just shove, need stack sizes of others in hand though obv.

yes agree get it in as long as not 2500bbs.  Think that most likely hand is retardly played overpair.

deffo agree that its likely an overpair, but pot is highly unlikely to continue multiway/people wont be peeling with gutterballs too often here given action wont be closed but most importantly imo jamming this flop would look so ridiculously strong without a maniac image. slowplaying fish dont see a flat here an go sigh im fucked, they go he must have a straight draw, im allin on the turn. stacks would be helpful as would be a neater hh, think you can input a live hh that gets converted somewhere, not deuces, might be leggo.



think ur giving live players waaaaay too much credit. Get it in vs overpair now, they aint folding.


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: dakky on May 17, 2010, 04:05:27 PM
lead flop


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: paulhouk03 on May 17, 2010, 04:27:03 PM
lead flop
lead flop
then call or 3 bet to a raise/


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: david3103 on May 18, 2010, 04:31:33 PM
Manchester 235 1 2£

Hero been solid and been called a rock. has shown down one hand which was aces which i lost with.
vilian seems like a solid reg has me covered.
siting with 400 (started with 200)

6 limpers

i call in sb with 9t


9t4 rainbow flop

i check
utg bets 7
2 callers
i raise to 25
utg smooths (has 50 before hand)
villian raises to 85
what do i do?

lead flop
lead flop
then call or 3 bet to a raise/


So is that what you did?


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: paulhouk03 on May 18, 2010, 04:32:56 PM
nope i 4bet and got 5 bet shoved on

i had to sigh call

lost to 44


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: NigDawG on May 18, 2010, 11:13:18 PM
nope i 4bet and got 5 bet shoved on

i had to sigh call

lost to 44

what do you mean sigh call? what did you want your 4 bet to achieve


Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: paulhouk03 on May 19, 2010, 01:49:51 AM
A fold
Don't think many people with 5 bet with less the two pair
But I don't think I could fold top two pair here

Auto call but just not super happy about it



Title: Re: top 2 facing flop smooth call-3bet
Post by: NigDawG on May 19, 2010, 02:11:15 AM
A fold

orly?