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I cant begin to describe how much i detest Road Traffic Police

They serve no meaningful function is society. They do not reduce RTA's - infact the more we have the more accidents there are (the correlation could be skewed by and increase in cars too but that really wouldn't help my point, so like a good politician i will gloss over that)

This morning an unmarked motorbike pulled out in front of me (dangerously IMO), slowed me down, and then pulled aside to let me go past. Obviously irked i might have crept over 70 mph, and  the wanker pulls me over after setting me up.

Its not the fact i was caught speeding, its the scum bag manner in which it was done. This alongside the police officer who was prepared to lie under oath, despite the fact that maths and physics were against his outrageous claims make me sick

There are problems in this society which far outweigh speeding, but they don't generate revenue.


Lying scum like these shouldn't be allowed to be police officers. They are driven by financial revenue streams, not justice or safety. The c0ck couldn't even get the time right on the docket. So if i wanted it, i even have my out, as they would struggle to prosecute. However I cant bring myself to go to court again and watch a police man lie and give me even less faith in our ever declining "justice system"

Sell drugs, murder, rape, no problem son, here is your community order, but how dare you break a speed limit - throw the book at this one because he can afford it.

GFY roadtraffic police, you are the scum of our society

Just to back up there brand of justice - an attractive female friend of mine has got off speeding 3 times by crying twice and hitching up her skirt once - WP police -  now that's your special brand of justice

 ;applause;

Pics please.

Next time try this...

Our entire system is just geared to squeeze every last penny out of hard working law abiding citizens... so they can go and give it to lazy,scum to sit on their fat arses all day and laugh at the rest of us killing ourselves to break even....

I got caught by one of the 7 million speed cameras that infest our road networks under the guise of road safety, usually in places there has never been an accident obv..

for an sp30 ticket ( only my 2nd in 20 years ) they deemed a suitable punishment was 5 points on my licence and £380 fine  WTF !!!!!  I would have got less for offing an OAP....

My appeal is in process.....

i know a very good lawyer if you want the details

Might need one..with our justice system i'll probably get life without parole on appeal....

pm sent

Cheers

This made me lol mate.

You got caught. Just take it on the chin.

I don't understand why you say they are "lying scum"?

Are you being prosecuted for speeding? Were you speeding? Where's the lie?

If he really is lying scum then you have a duty to go to court and see justice done. Unfortunately if you were speeding you're fooked.

the might have crept over 70 was tongue in cheek. Its the fact that he sets me up in the first place that I am angered about. If I am sppeding, then let me drive past you a clock me, dont set it up just to make sure.

The lying scum comes from 2 other occasions where i have had to spend 2k in legal fees each time to clear my name. LAst time i had a police officer trying to defy the laws of physics to convict me! Despite this, i was advised by my legal team to use "technicalities" to get off, as we would otherwise have to produce an 'expert' at my cost to advise the bench of simple maths!

As far as I am concerned, if they fail to preosecute, then they should be subject to disciplinary action. Surely thats fair?  I they are happy ro get you up in court and lie, and then you proceed to win, why should they keep their jobs? Maybe they would be a little less happy about lying in the first place.

They are miscreant and it will take a lot to convince me otherwise.

edit - fmp - not sure if it the correct use but it is all the thesarus came up with

i would also point out that my original post was far more succinct but the mods took it down

Sigh.

We don't like the use of the S word on here please Guy, thanks

Whether that refers to Policeman or Man Utd fc, doesn't matter 

I prefer road traffic police to speed cameras.  You can talk nicely to police officers and you can get away with it, not so with cameras - they don't seem to want to engage in a conversation.

Traffic police can also stop other offences other than speeding, such as dangerous driving and the like.  They can also aid and assist people who've broken down or who have been in accidents.

[  ] they assist people who have broken down, especially if they are male

The accidents i cant dispute, other than the fact they are as keen to appoint blame as they are to help

As soon as it stops becoming a revenue generator, i will listen to anything they have to say, until then, my opinion will never change.

At least in England you can get costs if you win.

Never get a non specialist solicitor though as they tend to know sfa about traffic laws.

Peppipoo is the best place for advice for free.

Sandy

[  ]Yes, they drive past you on the motorway when you've broken down, look in the window and see that you're male and drive on.


Other than help injured people, they're also there to garner evidence so that the innocent parties can correctly claim on the other party's insurance and that if there has been a transgression of the law, surely you want them to find out what happened and gather the evidence in order to prosecute the guilty party - or would you rather they just had a big party at the side of the road?


Cameras, yes - pure revenue generator.  Police on the roads, good thing.

highways agency stop for stranded drivers on M'ways

Preference is given to women

If police on roads has anything to do with safety, then why does it need to be revenue earning?

All forces are targetted with a certain number of offences, so what would you do if you were down on the month?

Police sure do stop if you are broken down!

which word please?

I would sympathise with any "f*** the police" sentiment but OP was clearly just a very elaborate "I have an attractive female friend who wears skirts" brag. :)

On a serious note, is it fair enough that the polis are more inclined to stop to help a broken down lady rather than a broken down blokey. The lady being more likely to be targetted for sexual assualt than the bloke.

i wonder if he was giving you a chance to slow down by pulling in front of you. i wonder if unmarked police only stop people going very fast, otherwise they'd be having to stop everyone in the outside lane.

i think the 70mph limit is too slow for modern cars but i don't see how anyone else is to blame here?

boshi are you talking about unmarked cars like OP?

my original post was very short, it wasnt appreciated

I made the big mistake of employing a road traffic cop
to work for me on a Sunday Market years ago
when taking cash of punters as I auctioned it
I caught him 100% with his hand in my till
everyone in south Wales heard about it
I made him look a right fool
but whenever I get stopped I mention this and they all say ahhhh that picrk
I say yes it was me he was nicking off
they seem to let me go for a few times lol
don't work anymore now lol

so you overtook a police bike, and then started speeding ?

probably not the smartest thing eh ?

you think?

it was unmarked - just a silver BMW RC1200 or something like that

 can we use it for Jack Straw?

Its a bit akin to plain clothes coppers setting up a sting where the put something of value in a parked car waiting for someone to break in and nick said goods.

Both entrapment but both still criminal acts

and this is kinda my point really. You are right they are both criminal acts, its just the police spend a whole lot of time, effort and resource trying to catch one, and not alot on the other! Similarly the punishments are rediculously skewed as well. Why, because the guy driving the nice car can afford a hefty fine and is highly unlikley not to pay or to even argue. The theif will pretty much have no retribution, and even if he didnt, he probably couldnt pay a fine nor care less about his actions!

This country is going to the wall and the above is a pretty good reason as to why

so how fast were you going?

do you read the daily mail ? serious question btw...

absolutely not!

This is the main thing in life which boils my piss. The inequity of justice is just redic

I was clocked at 85 to answer teh other Q (in a 70)

I wasn't really talking about unmarked cars, but definitely have their place and can be especially useful at catching dangerous drivers (dangerously undertaking, tailgating, driving erratically, etc.) whereas cameras can only catch people breaking the speed limit.

I think it's great that we have traffic officers stopping to help people who've broken down, instead of tying up the police unnecessarily.  Saying that, when I broke down on the M1 recently (the terminal on my alternator snapped off and by battery died completely) a police car was the first to pass me, and they stopped to see if I was OK and had called the breakdown services.  Once they'd established I was OK they were off on their way again. 

thread delivers

I remember I got stopped 1 morning doing 56 in a 30 zone on my bike ,the cops said we could hear you coming i said well you would i was only in 2ND gear!

 went to court gave a load of old bolllox about a van trying to push me off the road hence the fast get away and they swallowed it  ;D ;D ;D ;D wiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiii

but whenever i was above the speed limit and someone crept up on me I'd always slow down and let them pass as when yr on a bike you never can tell whats behind,
and Never ever speed past motorway or A road bridges/junctions they are a mare for setting up on the exit sides!!

[  ] i denied i was speeding

[ x ] people in glass houses

Lets hope theres not an un-marked check-box inspector reading this thread!

I got caught by the same trick but a Golf GTI was behind me and a marked car slowed everyone down then pulled off the first junction.

I paid the fine, took the pts and got on with my life.

lol @ Flushy's avatar

Is that Lawn Bowls?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bocce  ????

Good to hear the Police are employing these kind of tactics, personally I would increase this approach to policing our roads along with substantially increasing the penalties for all road traffic offences. The more people getting done in this manner the safer the roads will be for everyone, and I do not just mean for speeding but any form of dangerous driving even within the speed limits. Let's hope if we ever get a new government formed they get more unmarked traffic cars and bikes out there.

Despite the original poster seeming to have some history with the traffic police I'm sure he is most likely a very good, safe, and sensible driver who is just very unlucky or the victim of some money making conspiracy. In my 20 years of driving my only experiences of traffic policemen have been positive ones and a lot of the opinions expressed on this thread are a sad reflection on their posters IMHO.

sure did

This.

And ont he way to luton last night a big accident on the hard shoulder, car went off the road and down a ditch, only people at the scene pulling the driver out was the traffic police. Other Emergency services not there yet. You may not like them but they will be the first people at the scene when you need them, who else are you goint to call? Ghostbusters?

I am alway amazed that the police beat the ambulance to every emergency. Is it just the cynic in me that thinks its so that they can nick you?

It's often Traffic Officers rather than the police.  But if the police do get there first, and help the injured and also collate evidence to determine if there was a crime - where's the problem?  If you are the innocent party you'd surely want the police there as early as possible rather than them arriving late and not being able to gather the evidence required for a successful prosecution? 

Could this be that they are driving cars and not van like amulances?  ;carlocitrone;

Hmmm. Yeah 175mph+ tuned up volvo hyper mobile vs big van full of kit could have something to do with it.

Possibly also that the ambulance has to come from wherever the nearest hospital is whereas the rozzers just send whoever's closest.

yep, that's why a paramedic in a car normally beats an ambulance to the scene

and the police are already on the road driving around looking for stuff to do. pretty sure ambulances don't do that

People need to be taught to drive better in general. So many morons on the road, some people are so clueless on the motorway it's so scary.

they mainly include knobs with expensive cars that think they own the roads!!

Agree.  Although I don't think the motorway is the place where they're most dangerous to others in general.

you obv can't do a lot of motorway driving?? That's the worst place for them!!

I do plenty.

I was referring to the fact that most 'accidents' in which someone is seriously injured or killed occur on a and b roads, not motorways.  Pedestrians getting run over, people driving drunk, people driving too fast for the conditions, over-taking on country roads when the situation isn't right for overtaking, etc.

Yes, they get it wrong on a motorway and there's a big multi-car pile-up then it's going to be serious, but these are rarer than the incidents on other roads.

This isn't the police but if people just said fking thank you after you let them go or through or whatever.  ;tk;


So many people are terrible drivers in general grrrr ;tk;

Agreed - if they don't say thank you I wind the window down and shout it to them as they go past.

Also, if they pull over without indicating so I nearly rear end them (obv driving too close but ignore that fact) I'll pull alongside them, wind down the window and innocently, sweetly and helpfully say "Just to let you know I think there is something wrong with your indicators, they didn't come on when you pulled in".  Said in such a nice voice floors them and then I drive off before they can get out and hit me.

As for the police attending an rta quickly to gather evidence to prosecute - eeerm no. Their first action is to protect so they will help people out of vehicles and protect them and the scene, call the appropriate agencies such as ambulance and fire service if they haven't been called already, and generally look after the people involved.

Once the living have been dealt with they will deal with the scene and gather evidence which will help prosecute any potential guilty party that may have caused the accident to occur, this could by a driver or, for example, a vehicle manufacturer. That is essential to the safety of society as a whole imo. At some point the dead will be removed. If there is doubt at the scene they will have been removed to help resusitation, but in the case of obvious death such as decapitation they are more often left to help piece together the reasons for the accident. 

Thank goodness for our police force imo.

shouldn't laugh

lolololololol! I will be releasing a book in time for Christmas ala Colemans Balls called Blonde Bloopers :-)

It helps very much that those involved in the motorway accidents are generally all moving in the same direction.

No, I would say they mainly include twats who sit in the middle lane with nothing in the inside lane, or who decide to pull out without indicating, or once overtaken someone else, need to leave about 400 yards of room before they pull back in again, or who never ever see blue lights behind them and still sit there oblivious (not restricted to motorways ldo, but just unbeleivable that some drivers are that unaware) or lorry drivers who decide they will overtake just at the start of a long uphill section, and proceed to 'overtake' at approx 1 mpn faster than the lorry oin their inside.

totally agree mate! I come accross these twats on a daily basis!!

People that do 30mph in a 40 zone with a clear road ahead do my nuts in too!!

All the things you mentioned do my head in, but the one that drives me up the wall is the middle lane idiots. The most mind numbing ones are where you follow someone onto an empty stretch of motorway and they IMMEDIATELY go straight out to the middle lane despite the fact there isn't another car in sight ahead of them.

and wouldnt it be nice if they stuck to doing this, then people might actually respect them for what they do

rather than entrapping drivers on monday morning rush hour who have been up since 5 trying to earn a living to pay redic tax rates and pay their salaries!

having driven all over the UK, this is definitely more of a Scottish problem than elsewhere. Especially the M74, where it seems that despite the road being empty, the clowns want to sit in the middle lane, oblivious to that hassle they are causing me. I can move from the inside lane, to the middle, then the outside lane to over take, move back to the middle, then almost immediately back tot he inside lane and it still doesnt click that they are just rubbish at driving.

Why waste time and effort moving over to the outside lane? Undertake FTW then fork the wanker as he looks at you in disgust!

Girgy,are you sure you are old enough to hold a driving license?

Anyway, ROUNDABOUTS,particularily the mini variety.
Why are so many people,who have apparently passed their tests,incapable of following the basic rules for using roundabouts?
They either sit and stare at you wondering what to do next or come careering across,correcting their wrong-lane-edness as they go.
This is my pet driving hate and tilts me up no end.

I feel better now.

Yea and ive probably done more miles in reverse than you have going forward!

lol your a White van man corse you have

Driving safely I  hope,with no accidents.

Driving safely YES Accidents NO! Cant help the idiots that decide to leave their common sense at home can you!

i thought you had whiplash

I do! From an accident that wasnt my fault!

Not undertaking then.

Certainly not!

Then you would agree that its a stupid and dangerous thing to do,probably performed by someone who had left their common sense at home.

For the haters http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2010/06/09/drivers-could-have-speeding-convictions-quashed-as-a499-speed-limit-is-not-legal-55578-26615786/ (http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2010/06/09/drivers-could-have-speeding-convictions-quashed-as-a499-speed-limit-is-not-legal-55578-26615786/)

Sandy

The thing that tilts me most about driving is people doing 1/2mph under the speed limit.

why is that tilting?

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