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Title: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: NigDawG on May 18, 2010, 11:48:03 PM
Hand 1:

Hero (13k) raises  Jh Ts utg to 200, 4 callers to the flop. pot 1,150
 
flop: Ks 9s 8s

Hero bets 650, 1 caller (oldish asian loose passive station)

turn :  7s

checks through (villain insta checked back)

river :  Kh

Hero bets 1,525.....


Hand 2:

utg and mp1 limp, hero (11k) raises  Ac Kc to 400, cutoff (16k) calls, bb (18k) calls, utg folds, mp1 (18k) calls. pot 1,750

flop :  Ad Qh 8c

hero bets 875, co the only caller (tightish guy but only one hand get to showdown in c.45mins was him opening A5s from utg+1, cbetting 922r HU, check back 3 turn and bet 2/3 pot on 5 river)

turn :  Ks

hero bets 1,750 (bet with two 1k chips), co snap raises to 4,000 (uses four 1k chips). villain seems like an amateur/casual player. also appears a bit nervous. i ask him "you know what i have right?", he abruptly replies "doesn't matter what you have", hero folds.....

discuss.....


Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: Dubai on May 18, 2010, 11:51:13 PM
1- Fold pre. As played its fine
2- Hate bet sizing throughout, live isnt online. As played fold i guess but doubt i ever would


Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: AlexMartin on May 19, 2010, 12:01:28 AM
1 seems too thin v an old guy who probs doesnt call often enough w/worse, looks like a value cut.

2 im really unsure about, though bet folding turn seems fine.



Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: Dubai on May 19, 2010, 12:02:05 AM
Alex he called him a passive Asian station- they aint folding any spade or any King in hand 1


Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: AlexMartin on May 19, 2010, 12:07:32 AM
Alex he called him a passive Asian station- they aint folding any spade or any King in hand 1

yer 4 sure but he's cbet 4way, i think old asian dude wont be drawing too light.




Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: Dubai on May 19, 2010, 12:13:12 AM
Loose passive old asian blokes can just about see their cards.


Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: snoopy1239 on May 19, 2010, 01:21:39 AM
On paper, Hand 2 feels like an all in to me: A-Q, A-8, K-Q, maybe Q-8 versus 8-8 or J-T.


Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: pleno1 on May 19, 2010, 05:22:43 AM
1- i open pre too. i think i check teh river and try ridic hard to get to showdown

2- sick spot. your range is like aa/kk/qq/ak/aq here, looks like he has j10/88. horrible spot i sigh live timebank/hollywood tank fold.


Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: the rage on May 19, 2010, 05:53:34 AM
1-If you get re-raised here i would fold. I don't think villian will be re-raising with less than the nut flush.

2-I would suspect either AQ or 88 with a slight chance of AK. I think you probably made a great fold there.



Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: Cottonbud on May 19, 2010, 07:13:26 AM
1st of all love the title :)

2nd of all fold pre the J-10o UTG and stop being a hero.

3rdly don't like these big bets. I don't mind a check on the flop to be honest for pot control but the problem is it's so multiway. But when the gutter gets there you lose less when you get check raised due to a smaller pot ;). If you bet smaller or checked the flop you could call a raise on the turn to try and boat up as you would be getting the correct odds, but when he makes it half your stack it's a crying fold :(


Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: pleno1 on May 19, 2010, 01:53:13 PM
1st of all love the title :)

2nd of all fold pre the J-10o UTG and stop being a hero.

3rdly don't like these big bets. I don't mind a check on the flop to be honest for pot control but the problem is it's so multiway. But when the gutter gets there you lose less when you get check raised due to a smaller pot ;). If you bet smaller or checked the flop you could call a raise on the turn to try and boat up as you would be getting the correct odds, but when he makes it half your stack it's a crying fold :(
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hero is betting 1/2 pot?


Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: Dubai on May 19, 2010, 03:13:45 PM
1st of all love the title :)

2nd of all fold pre the J-10o UTG and stop being a hero.

3rdly don't like these big bets. I don't mind a check on the flop to be honest for pot control but the problem is it's so multiway. But when the gutter gets there you lose less when you get check raised due to a smaller pot ;). If you bet smaller or checked the flop you could call a raise on the turn to try and boat up as you would be getting the correct odds, but when he makes it half your stack it's a crying fold :(

Big bets?????????????????

He has punished 2 limpers by making it 4x pre, which is way too small, and then bet half the pot on flop and turn!!!!!!! Which would be considered small bets imo


Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: TheChipPrince on May 19, 2010, 03:26:57 PM
live isnt online

Can you expand a little on this please Dubai.


Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: strak33 on May 19, 2010, 03:39:22 PM

Going to stick my neck out and say he means you cant apply the sime bet sizing.


Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: TheChipPrince on May 19, 2010, 03:59:40 PM

Going to stick my neck out and say he means you cant apply the sime bet sizing.

Yes I imagine so, just wondering if his reasons were the more obvious ones or what his thoughts were on why.


Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: Cottonbud on May 19, 2010, 05:23:17 PM
Big bets?????????????????

He has punished 2 limpers by making it 4x pre, which is way too small, and then bet half the pot on flop and turn!!!!!!! Which would be considered small bets imo

Yeah for pre I think 5x would be slightly better. I just think we should be checking the flop or the turn for pot control it also looks so strong when we bet into 3 players on the flop obviously for balancing when we have it or don't this is fine, but this is live poker. What do we do when we get raised on the flop or turn? we are surely hating life. And if we are checking a street we are likely to get value from worse aces and lower two pair combos with our river bet.


Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: GreekStein on May 19, 2010, 05:50:09 PM
guys, Chris doesn't mention what the blinds are.

I think he's more likely to have minraised to 200 at 50/100 than 4x'd to 200 at 25/50.


Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: NigDawG on May 19, 2010, 06:47:19 PM
guys, Chris doesn't mention what the blinds are.

I think he's more likely to have minraised to 200 at 50/100 than 4x'd to 200 at 25/50.

tru dat


Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: NigDawG on May 19, 2010, 06:53:00 PM
will just say, where i minraise pre as a standard open, i add 1bb per limper.


Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: George2Loose on May 19, 2010, 06:54:00 PM
Dubai is right. Live you have generally make you bet sizing bigger imo cos everyone's peeling with 64 off suit.

I don't mind the open pre with J10 but would probably fold. I would probably check call hand 1 against villian as described

Hand 2 is meh. Big time meh. I think you did a good fold tho


Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: NigDawG on May 19, 2010, 06:57:48 PM
Dubai is right. Live you have generally make you bet sizing bigger imo cos everyone's peeling with 64 off suit.

I don't mind the open pre with J10 but would probably fold. I would probably check call hand 1 against villian as described

Hand 2 is meh. Big time meh. I think you did a good fold tho

i like these people


Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: NigDawG on May 19, 2010, 07:01:46 PM
I would probably check call hand 1 against villian as described

(oldish asian loose passive station)

i was thinking at the time bet/fold>>>check/fold>>>check/call


Title: Re: hands for discussion from my deep run in ukipt nottingham
Post by: George2Loose on May 19, 2010, 07:11:53 PM
I would probably check call hand 1 against villian as described

(oldish asian loose passive station)

i was thinking at the time bet/fold>>>check/fold>>>check/call

I must have misread your description.

I appreciate you like people peeling with 64 off but I noticed in Walsall you were playing a lot of hands multi way early. Obv u have post flop edge but is this not negated by playing pots multi way?